A question about Heaven

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That would suggest that life on Earth is better than life in Heaven. No souls to save in Heaven.

It's not that this world is better, it's just that he was someone willing to stay here in spite of it being worse than heaven, in order to bring more people to heaven.

Giving of ourselves for others whether we like it or not, like Christ did for us....it's the Christian way. If you understand the concept of pushing someone out the way of an oncoming car at risk of hurting your own self, then you understand the concept....nothing new but still admirable.
 
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Some get responsibilities in heaven like the 24 elders.

Revelation 4:4
And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold.

Now those crowns of gold indicate authority bestowed upon then along with the seats they sit on and their proximity to the throne.
So you can get a gold crown and sit closer to God?
 
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It's not that this world is better, it's just that he was someone willing to stay here in spite of it being worse than heaven, in order to bring more people to heaven.

Giving of ourselves for others whether we like it or not, like Christ did for us....it's the Christian way. If you understand the concept of pushing someone out the way of an oncoming car at risk of hurting your own self, then you understand the concept....nothing new but still admirable.
That’s cool. I’m willing to stay here too.
 
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That’s cool. I’m willing to stay here too.

Actually, it's built in that none of us want to die, so in that sense, yeah, most all are "willing" to stay here as long as possible. :) So I suppose it's about what we do with our time here...
 
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I have often thought about this as well. What if some people are remade more beautiful then others and have more riches? Will this be just like earth 2.0? I don't think there will be poverty in heaven like on earth but I certainly don't want to be called least in its kingdom. This type of question even led the Apostles to argue and fight with each other over who would be granted the seat nearest to Christ. Ultimately it's true that we will be married to Christ and that God himself is our ultimate reward. I had an encounter in which I saw a woman crowned and robed that walked through my house and dissappeared once. She was majestically magnificent. I think it would be far better if we were all gifted the same way since it would alleviate much anxiety and ultimately our work is dependent on God's power and not our own we simply choose whether to be cooperative.
 
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Actually, it's built in that none of us want to die, so in that sense, yeah, most all are "willing" to stay here as long as possible. :) So I suppose it's about what we do with our time here...
Bingo!
 
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But Heaven is blissful for everyone in it, right?

Yes, no pain, no sorrow, and Christ will wipe away every year from your eyes. Things like ego, envy, greed, jealously won't exist any longer. Exactly what rewards people will receive, and what that will mean for all of eternity...I guess we wil! Have to wait and see. But those with few rewards, will not feel guilty, unwanted, or left out.
 
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Yes, no pain, no sorrow, and Christ will wipe away every year from your eyes. Things like ego, envy, greed, jealously won't exist any longer. Exactly what rewards people will receive, and what that will mean for all of eternity...I guess we wil! Have to wait and see. But those with few rewards, will not feel guilty, unwanted, or left out.
What if a loved one didn’t make it to Heaven, with or without your efforts? Would you remember them and the good times you had? Or would you just forget they existed?
 
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What if a loved one didn’t make it to Heaven, with or without your efforts? Would you remember them and the good times you had? Or would you just forget they existed?

Personally, I think we will know our earthly family members, and friends, and our earthly relationships to them. However, we will not be living as families, or as husband and wife. The family unit is part of the created order here on earth and serves many purposes, that will not be required in our next lives.

What it is that we will be doing for all time and eternity...no one knows, but we will have clear knowledge, joy, and happiness. It may sound strange, but I can't imagine spending to much time reliving our sinful, depraved lives we all led here on earth. I don't think lost loved ones will be forgotten by us, but there will be no years of pain, only joy.
 
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Personally, I think we will know our earthly family members, and friends, and our earthly relationships to them. However, we will not be living as families, or as husband and wife. The family unit is part of the created order here on earth and serves many purposes, that will not be required in our next lives.

What it is that we will be doing for all time and eternity...no one knows, but we will have clear knowledge, joy, and happiness. It may sound strange, but I can't imagine spending to much time reliving our sinful, depraved lives we all led here on earth. I don't think lost loved ones will be forgotten by us, but there will be no years of pain, only joy.
Key word: Personally

Scriptural source?
 
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Personally, I think we will know our earthly family members, and friends, and our earthly relationships to them. However, we will not be living as families, or as husband and wife. The family unit is part of the created order here on earth and serves many purposes, that will not be required in our next lives.

What it is that we will be doing for all time and eternity...no one knows, but we will have clear knowledge, joy, and happiness. It may sound strange, but I can't imagine spending to much time reliving our sinful, depraved lives we all led here on earth. I don't think lost loved ones will be forgotten by us, but there will be no years of pain, only joy.
But your lost loved ones will be suffering physical torments , eternally... right?
 
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But your lost loved ones will be suffering physical torments , eternally... right?

Yes, they will suffer God's wrath for all eternity. However, it's not unjust.

if God does something, it is always right, just, and fair. God is sovereign, his ways are not our ways, his thoughts are not our thoughts. We will view God's acts in light of his holiness, righteousness, and justice, which are just as much a part of his nature as his goodness, love, and mercy. We will see things clearly, and understand fully God's plan of redemption. If people neglect so great a salvation, then God is giving them what they wanted, what they chose.

But yes, people are appointed once to die, then the judgement.
 
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Key word: Personally

Scriptural source?

If you look at Like 16, there is the story of the rich man and Lazerus, the rich man in torment knew Abraham, and Lazarus. At the transfiguration Elijah and Moses were recognized, as was Saul by Samuel when dealing with the witch of endor.
 
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Does everyone who winds up in Heaven get the same reward? Let's say a Christian who truly believes, but hasn't managed to help lead another soul to Christ. Would their reward be the same as one who led thousands of souls to Christ?
i think so.
 
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Do you get better food if you lead a more fruitful life?
If you want to feed more people then you are going to need more food. In our old place we could invite maybe 25 people to dinner. Now we can invite up to 100. Although maybe we will entertain 50 or 60. It is the same in Heaven. A singer with a lot of talent is going to need a mansion the size of a small city because so many people are going to want to visit their mansion and hear them sing.
 
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Yes, they will suffer God's wrath for all eternity. However, it's not unjust.

if God does something, it is always right, just, and fair. God is sovereign, his ways are not our ways, his thoughts are not our thoughts. We will view God's acts in light of his holiness, righteousness, and justice, which are just as much a part of his nature as his goodness, love, and mercy. We will see things clearly, and understand fully God's plan of redemption. If people neglect so great a salvation, then God is giving them what they wanted, what they chose.

But yes, people are appointed once to die, then the judgement.
So when you’re in Heaven, and you’re remembering that loved one who is now suffering in Hell, it won’t bother you?
 
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So when you’re in Heaven, and you’re remembering that loved one who is now suffering in Hell, it won’t bother you?

A heaven like that would be my definition of hell and not at all consistent with a loving God.
 
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Every one is a hypocrite in some way. If you say you believe in something and don't live it perfectly, and no one does, you are a hypocrite.
Not really. That word is Greek for a stage play actor. Intentionally portraying something or someone you are NOT.

Someone believing and trying to obey does not fit that definition.
 
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Does everyone who winds up in Heaven get the same reward? Let's say a Christian who truly believes, but hasn't managed to help lead another soul to Christ. Would their reward be the same as one who led thousands of souls to Christ?

According to scripture the Kingdom of God is a meritocracy.

Mat 25:14 “For it will be like a man going on a journey, who called his servants and entrusted to them his property.
Mat 25:15 To one he gave five talents, to another two, to another one, to each according to his ability. Then he went away.
Mat 25:16 He who had received the five talents went at once and traded with them, and he made five talents more.
Mat 25:17 So also he who had the two talents made two talents more.
Mat 25:18 But he who had received the one talent went and dug in the ground and hid his master's money.
Mat 25:19 Now after a long time the master of those servants came and settled accounts with them.
Mat 25:20 And he who had received the five talents came forward, bringing five talents more, saying, ‘Master, you delivered to me five talents; here, I have made five talents more.’
Mat 25:21 His master said to him, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant. You have been faithful over a little; I will set you over much. Enter into the joy of your master.’
Mat 25:22 And he also who had the two talents came forward, saying, ‘Master, you delivered to me two talents; here, I have made two talents more.’
Mat 25:23 His master said to him, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant. You have been faithful over a little; I will set you over much. Enter into the joy of your master.’
Mat 25:24 He also who had received the one talent came forward, saying, ‘Master, I knew you to be a hard man, reaping where you did not sow, and gathering where you scattered no seed,
Mat 25:25 so I was afraid, and I went and hid your talent in the ground. Here, you have what is yours.’
Mat 25:26 But his master answered him, ‘You wicked and slothful servant! You knew that I reap where I have not sown and gather where I scattered no seed?
Mat 25:27 Then you ought to have invested my money with the bankers, and at my coming I should have received what was my own with interest.
Mat 25:28 So take the talent from him and give it to him who has the ten talents.
Mat 25:29 For to everyone who has will more be given, and he will have an abundance. But from the one who has not, even what he has will be taken away.
Mat 25:30 And cast the worthless servant into the outer darkness. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

We are not talking about salvation here. This is about the distribution of rewards for those who are saved. It is all about how well you use what you have got. Now the parable is simplistic but gives a general idea. For example the thief on the cross had no chance of using anything. It could be a fruit of the spirit you kept hidden, it could be a spiritual gift you kept hidden and of course it does come down to whether you were aware that you had a spiritual gift. It could be you were called to be a minister but went in a different direction. But what are the rewards anyway? From the above parable one reward will be being a ruler and how much you will rule. Will we be Kings or Paupers in the Kingdom? We really don't have an answer but a mystery to look forward to.
 
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