What day is the sabath what day does the bible say?

Soyeong said:

Do you agree that Christ sinlessly keep the 7th day Sabbath holy and that following Christ is for Christians?

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We are not under the law. You will never convince me so don't try.

ewq1938 said:

The Sabbath originally was just for the Jews. Eventually the covenant was broken and a long time later God instituted a new covenant first offered to Jews who would accept Christ, then to the rest of the world. All who would accept Christ ie: Christians, would have a new covenant and thus a new Sabbath for rest. It because a spiritual rest rather than a certain day where one rested. A Christians has this spiritual Sabbath always because Christ gives us rest every day. We can also take literal rest from work on any day since Christ is the current concept of a Sabbath.

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In Isaiah 56:1-8, the Sabbath is for all those who are followers of the God of Israel, who love Him and His people, and who want to be blessed. However, if you want to be a stickler about what was only given to Israel, then in Jeremiah 31:31, the New Covenant was only made with the house of Judah and the house of Israel, so it is only through becoming joined with Israel through faith in Christ that Gentiles are able to partake of the New Covenant. The theme has always been to the Jew first and then to the nations, so Gentiles also have the delight of getting to keep the Sabbath holy. In Jeremiah 31:33, the New Covenant does not involve rejecting God's Law, but rather it involves God writing His Law on our heart so that we will obey it.

There are more ways to do what is righteous or sinful that what God's Law specifically prescribes or prohibits, but God's Law is spiritual in that it has always been intended to teach us deeper spiritual principles of which the listed laws are just examples and which are the character traits of God. If have a character trait and correctly understand a spiritual principle, then we will take physical actions that are examples of that principle in accordance with what the Law instructs. For example, if someone thought that they understood the spiritual principle of love, so they no longer needed to physically take actions that expressed their love for their neighbor, then they would not be correctly understanding the principle, and the same goes for trying to spiritualize away our need to physically obey God's command to keep the 7th day Sabbath holy. So correctly understanding the spiritual meaning behind God's commands always adds depth to them and never leads us to literally disobey them.

Mat 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
Mat 11:29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
Mat 11:30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

Christ is our Sabbath rest now.

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Jesus should not be interpreted as teaching people to rebel against what the Father has commanded. He lived in complete obedience to the Mosaic Law, including keeping the Sabbath holy, and in Matthew 11:28-30, he was inviting people to follow him, to take his yoke on them, and to become his disciples, not inviting people to refuse to follow him. By saying that we would find rest for our souls, he was remezing Jeremiah 6:16-19, where the Mosaic Law is described as the good way where we will find rest for our souls. This rest for our souls comes from having faith in God to guide us in how to rightly live through His Law.

Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the Sabbath:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

The Sabbath was one of many things that were shadows of things to come which means they would be fulfilled and replaced with something much greater.

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The OT is full of important foreshadows that teach us about who God is and about His plan of redemption and the light of Christ brings full substance to the foreshadows so that we can fully see what God was teaching us through them, which make them all of the more important to continue to do in remembrance of Christ. For example, in 1 Corinthian 5:6-8, Paul spoke in regard to how Passover foreshadowed Christ by drawing the connection of him being our Passover Lamb, however, instead of concluding that we no longer need to observe Passover, he concluded that we should therefore continue to keep the Feast. A fractal is a pattern that is structurally the same at both a small and a large scale and we must model our lives after the heavenly patten.

Heb 4:7 Much later God told David to make the promise again, just as I have already said, "If you hear his voice today, don't be stubborn!"
Heb 4:8 If Joshua had really given the people rest, there would not be any need for God to talk about another day of rest.
Heb 4:9 But God has promised us a Sabbath when we will rest, even though it has not yet come.
Heb 4:10 On that day God's people will rest from their work, just as God rested from his work.
Heb 4:11 We should do our best to enter that place of rest, so that none of us will disobey and miss going there, as they did.

Here the Sabbath is spoken as a place of rest, the eternity, when we will rest from all the struggles of life, sin and any hardships.

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In Hebrew 4:9-11, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God, so we should therefore continue to keep the Sabbath holy in obedience to God's command. Furthermore verse 11 says that we should strive to enter into God's rest so that no one many fall away by the same sort of disobedience, so using entering into God's rest to justify the same sort of disobedience is exactly the opposite of what was being said. In 1 Corinthians 10:1-13, Israel's disobedience should be used as an example of what we shouldn't do, not as an example for us to emulate. However, the bottom line is that we must obey God rather than man, so if you think that the author of Hebrews was teaching us to rebel against obeying what God has commanded, then you should be quicker to disregard what they said than to disregard what God has commanded.

Kian-vg said:

Hi I always thought sunday was the sabath day but some people think the sabbath is on Saturday and now I don't know what day it realy is Saturday or sunday I always thought Sunday because God rested on the 7th day

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Absolutely Saturday. Sunday is the 1st day of the week and celebrated by Christian people because that is the day that Yeshua rose from the dead.

charsan said:

I disagree, the Saturday idea is not for Christians.

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Everyday is for Christians. He is our sabbath rest and we should worship and pray without ceasing. Nevertheless the Sabbath tells the truth about YHWH, that He is the creator who created the heavens and the earth in 6 days and on the 7th He rested. So the sabbath is fulfilled in Yeshua but neither does it's keeping, as a day of rest, loose any of its meaning.

charsan said:

We are not under the law. You will never convince me so don't try.

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I agree that we are not under the law, however, Paul spoke about multiple different categories of law, such as God's Law, the law of sin, and works of the law, so it is important to correctly identify which law he was saying that we aren't under. In Romans 6:14, Paul described the law that we are not under as being a law where sin had dominion over us, which does not describe God's Law because Romans 7:7 says that God's Law is not sinful, but was given to reveal what sin is. Rather, it is the law of sin where sin had dominion over us. Furthermore, Romans 6:15 says that being under grace doesn't mean that we are permitted to sin, and sin is defined as the transgression of God's Law (1 John 3:4), so we are still under God's Law and obligated to refrain from doing what He has revealed to be sin. In Psalms 119:29, David wanted God to be gracious to him by teaching him to obey His Law, so when we are under grace we are under God's Law and not under the law of sin.

Albion said:

No, Sunday is the first day of the week. We worship on that day because it is the day the Lord rose from the grave and because the New Testament teaches that the early church chose it for the weekly worship services. However, Saturday technically remains the Sabbath and it is incorrect to say that the church moved the Sabbath day to some other day.

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The New Testament did NOT teach that the early church chose Sunday for weekly worship service. The only verse in the New Testament that says anything about the early Christians worshiping on the first day of the week is:

On the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul began talking to them, intending to leave the next day, and he prolonged his message until midnight.
Acts 20:17

All that tells us is they broke bread in the first day of the week. This does not even mean that breaking the bread was done on EVERY Sunday. And even if it did, Paul and his team were still good Jews and would have gone to the Jewish Temple on Saturday and then broke bread in someone's house on the next day. We cannot presume from this that the Bible teaches that we should worship God on Sunday instead of Saturday.

This reveals the inconsistency in sola scriptura, the belief that everything we believe and practice must be taught in the Bible. Replacing the day of worship from Saturday to Sunday is never taught in the New Testament. It is only part of tradition. This shows that the Bible was never intended to be the sole source of spiritual truth.

It is only in tradition that we are explicitly taught to no longer worship on Saturday, but on Sunday.

But every Lord's day . . . gather yourselves together and break bread, and give thanksgiving after having confessed your transgressions, that your sacrifice may be pure. But let no one that is at variance with his fellow come together with you until they be reconciled, that your sacrifice may not be profaned (Didache 14 [A.D. 70]).

[T]hose who were brought up in the ancient order of things [i.e., Jews] have come to the possession of a new hope, no longer observing the Sabbath, but living in the observance of the Lord's day, on which also our life has sprung up again by him and by his death (Letter to the Magnesians 8, Ignatius of Antioch, AD 110)

The apostles further appointed; On the first day of the week let there be service, and the reading of the holy scriptures, and the oblation [sacrifice of the Mass], because on the first day of the week [Sunday] our Lord rose from the place of the dead, and on the first day of the week he arose upon the world, and on the first day of the week he ascended up to heaven, and on the first day of the week he will appear at last with the angels of heaven (Didascalia 2 [A.D. 225]).

(for more, go to StayCatholic.com - ECF Sabbath or Sunday)

It is not based on the Bible that we Christians worship God on Sunday rather than Saturday. It is based on the Early Church Fathers. The Didascalia states that the apostle appointed this change, but this was never written down in the New Testament. This was only transmitted orally.

Not only that, but the Early Church Fathers taught that the service on the first day of the week was sacrificial! The Didache wrote to the readers how not to to profane their sacrifice. The Didascalia called the service an oblation, which means a sacrifice. So it is inconsistent to hold to the worship service being now on Sunday and yet rejecting the sacrifice of that service. If the ECF were wrong about the sacrifice in the worship then how can we trust the ECF on changing the worship service from Saturday to Sunday, when there is no clear verse in the Bible that allows us to change it?

If one is convinced that they should keep a Sabbath on Saturday.. let it be to them. If one is convinced that the sabbath is Sunday... let it be to them. If one believes that every day is the sabbath... again let it be to them.

Romans 14:5-13

Kian-vg said:

Hi I always thought sunday was the sabath day but some people think the sabbath is on Saturday and now I don't know what day it realy is Saturday or sunday I always thought Sunday because God rested on the 7th day

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The New Testament says that the outward observance of the Sabbath has now been abolished, and that Jesus has become our Sabbath, and so we rest in Him.

JackRT said:

Biblically the Sabbath day is the day we call Saturday. It was then and it still is. Sunday is known as the "Lord's Day". The earliest Christians remained Jews and continued to worship in either the Synagogue or Temple on the Sabbath day. The custom arose that they would also have their own meeting on the following day which became known as the Lord's Day. Eventually the Christian Jews were expelled from the Synagogues and the Lord's Day became their only day of worship. This was eventually formalized into law. The Sabbath Day is still Saturday and always has been.

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The boldness in the type is from me.

Another word for custom is tradition. No matter how hard some try to hold onto sola scriptura, they cannot let go of tradition. Tradition is unavoidable.

Toro said:

If one is convinced that they should keep a Sabbath on Saturday.. let it be to them. If one is convinced that the sabbath is Sunday... let it be to them. If one believes that every day is the sabbath... again let it be to them.

Romans 14:5-13

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"then make my joy complete by being like-minded, having the same love, being one in spirit and of one mind."
Philippians 2:2

The Bible calls us to be one mind. How can we be of one mind if we cannot agree on this? How we then be united in mind and spirit?

the sabbath day (saturday) is for jewish folks. the Lord's day (sunday) is for Christians.

packermann said:

"then make my joy complete by being like-minded, having the same love, being one in spirit and of one mind."
Philippians 2:2

The Bible calls us to be one mind. How can we be of one mind if we cannot agree on this? How we then be united in mind and spirit?

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Just because we are all part of the same body doesnt mean we have the same purpose.

To be like minded... but different purposes......a hand may not agree with the foot... but IF they had minds... they would both be like minded in doing what is good for the body.

We... as parts of the body... DO have minds and we are to be like minded in what we do... we do to the good of the body.... it does not mean we must share one mind literally and agree on every detail... but we are of like mind when our concern is for the body and our minds are on His kingdom.

Toro said:

If one is convinced that they should keep a Sabbath on Saturday.. let it be to them. If one is convinced that the sabbath is Sunday... let it be to them. If one believes that every day is the sabbath... again let it be to them.

Romans 14:5-13

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The topic of Romans 14 stated in the first verse is in regard to how to handle disputable matters of opinion, not in regard to whether followers of God should follow God, so nothing in the chapter should be interpreted as suggesting that obedience to God is optional. For example, God gave no command to fast twice a week, so whether someone esteems those days for fasting is a disputable matter of opinion, but God has commanded His followers to keep the 7th day Sabbath holy, so whether someone does that is a matter of obedience to God.

Okay.

The Jewish Sabbath is and always has been Saturday. But the early leaders of the Christian Church changed the Christian day of worship to Sunday because they believed it was more fitting to celebrate worship on the day of Jesus Christ's glorious resurrection than on the day He lay dead in the tomb.

miggles said:

the sabbath day (saturday) is for jewish folks. the Lord's day (sunday) is for Christians.

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Christ set a sinless example for us to follow of how to keep the Sabbath holy, and as his followers we are told to follow his example (1 Peter 2:21-22), so the way to follow him is not by rejecting what he taught by example in favor of doing something that he never did.

What “Break Bread” Means

Notice Acts 2:46. The disciples, “continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness.…”

Here and elsewhere, “breaking bread” means eating a meal. Not because its
on the first day of the week, but daily.

There is 8 places in the new testament that have (first day of the week). None of the verses exchange Sabbath day worship for sunday worship.

The Babylonian language was in use hundreds of years before Abraham and the Hebrew race. That language designated the seventh day of the week as “sa-ba-tu”, meaning rest day.

The seventh day of the week is called the “Sabbath” in the majority of principal
languages in the world.

Kian-vg said:

Hi I always thought sunday was the sabath day but some people think the sabbath is on Saturday and now I don't know what day it realy is Saturday or sunday I always thought Sunday because God rested on the 7th day

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It doesn't matter really. Pick a day, any day, call it "Rest Day" and then you have a sabbath. Sabbath means rest, so any day will do.

If you get drawn into one of those religions that demands that you keep a specific day each week, Saturday for example, as a holy day you'll be committing to a practise than no one ever managed to keep. The Law - ten commandments and others things too - was never able to make anyone just before God so if you try to get right with God by keeping a day you'll fail.

Don't let anyone convince you to keep days and feasts as a way to be 'religious' because keeping days and refraining from certain foods is worthless. It never cleans anyone's guilt away, never makes one holy, never earns the favour of God. It's a way to feel guilty and unworthy whenever you slip, buy something on sabbath, or eat the wrong food, or forget momentarily that you need to keep the day or food or whatever holy.

GingerBeer said:

It doesn't matter really. Pick a day, any day, call it "Rest Day" and then you have a sabbath. Sabbath means rest, so any day will do.

If you get drawn into one of those religions that demands that you keep a specific day each week, Saturday for example, as a holy day you'll be committing to a practise than no one ever managed to keep. The Law - ten commandments and others things too - was never able to make anyone just before God so if you try to get right with God by keeping a day you'll fail.

Don't let anyone convince you to keep days and feasts as a way to be 'religious' because keeping days and refraining from certain foods is worthless. It never cleans anyone's guilt away, never makes one holy, never earns the favour of God. It's a way to feel guilty and unworthy whenever you slip, buy something on sabbath, or eat the wrong food, or forget momentarily that you need to keep the day or food or whatever holy.

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God instructed His followers to keep the 7th day holy, not to pick any day they wanted as their rest day. The Israelites received a double portion of mana for the 7th day for 40 years in the wilderness, so they kept it together as a nation, which fosters unity rather than disunity of everything doing their own thing.

God's Law straightforwardly does what it was given to do and does not do what it was not given to do, so the fact that we are not justified by obeying it does not mean that we shouldn't obey it for the purposes for which it was given. It is not as through the fact that we aren't justified by obeying God means that we don't need to obey God, especially because it is also true that we aren't justified while refusing to obey God.

In Titus 2:11-14, our salvation is described as being trained by grace to do what is godly, righteous, and good, and to renounce doing what is ungodly, which is essentially what God's Law was given to instruct how to do. Likewise, in Psalms 119:29, David wanted God to be gracious to him by teaching him to obey His Law. Our salvation is from sin and sin is defined as disobedience to God's Law (1 John 3:4), so being trained by grace to live in obedience to God's Law through faith is what being saved from living in disobedience to God's Law looks like. In Matthew 23:23, Jesus said that faith is one of the weightier matters of the Law, so only those who have faith in God to guide us in how to rightly live will obey His Law and be justified by the same faith, which is why Paul said in Romans 2:13 that it is only doers of the Law who will be justified. Over and over the Bible instructs us to repent and obey God's commands, so I don't see how you can consider this to be worthless.

In Deuteronomy 30:11-14, it says that God's Law is not too difficult for us to keep. Grace is the power of God to overcome sin, so in Christ we have every reason to have faith that we can keep God's Law. In Deuteronomy 6:24 and 10:12-13, it says God's Law was given for His people's own good, and I have faith that this true, do you?