mkgal1 said:
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This article by Hank Hanegraaff, I believe, does a great job at clearing up the confusion of the word "coming" used in Scripture:
He said “I say to all of
you, in the future
you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven.” The generation that crucified Christ would see the very day that he was exalted and enthroned at the right hand of the Mighty One.
BABerean2 said:
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Mat 12:42
The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: for she came from the uttermost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, behold, a greater than Solomon is here.
I should type up my own auto response to this - you use it so often - but my line of thought has been that maybe if I keep rewording my response, at some point, it will maybe eventually make sense to you.
I believe this passage is saying that, basically, the Queen of Sheba and the men of Nineveh were from a whole other culture (they weren't Jewish.....they didn't grow up learning Hebrew Scriptures) but they believed that God is the One and only Lord of Lords - the One True God.
Their testimony of belief - held up against the Jewish UNbelievers of Jesus' day - that lived their lives alongside Him and STILL didn't believe - was what condemned them (and maybe "put them to shame" is a better phrase?). In other words - it was a matter of who was right/who was wrong (who had greater faith because of their background of being non Jews from another culture).
It's not a literal passage. "Rise up" doesn't mean literally dead people coming from the ground. It's their historical testimony that "rose up". And "time of the dead" in Revelation 11 doesn't mean His final return (I don't believe).
Hello mkgal.
I made a thread on those passages in Matt 12 and Luke 11 back in March and alas,
only 1 member responded...........
I will put your quote on it to bump it back up for discussion.
Those verses don't just say stand/rouse up in judgment with "
THIS PEOPLE" but adds "
THIS GENERATION"
The full consummation of the OC AGE and that Generation was fulfilled in 70AD.
Matthew 24:3
Yet of Him sitting on the Mount of the Olives, the Disciples came toward to Him according to own saying "be telling to us! when shall these be being? and what the sign of Thy parousia<3952> and
full-consummation<4930> of the Age?
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Matt 12 and Luke 11 "QUEEN OF SOUTH AND NINEVITES" JUDGING GENERATION
Mar 28, 2019
I came across these verses, which I are part of the 1st century Jerusalem/Temple discourse/parousia, and found some differences in the wording between the Ninevites [
standing up G450]nd Queen of the South [
being roused G1453].
Both Matthew and Luke mention this event.
I thought it might be interesting to look more closely at these "end time" verses.
450. anistemi from 303 and 2476;
to stand up (literal or figurative, transitive or intransitive):--arise, lift up, raise up (again), rise (again), stand up(-right).
303. ana a primary preposition and adverb;
properly, up; but (by extension) used (distributively) severally, or (locally) at (etc.)
2476. histemi a prolonged form of a primary stao stah'-o (of the same meaning, and used for it in certain tenses);
to stand (transitively or intransitively),
Matthew 12
34 Offspring of vipers! How can you who are evil speak good things? For from the fullness of the heart the mouth speaks.
35 A good man from a good treasure brings good things, and an evil man from evil treasure brings evil things.
36 For I say to you that every idle word that people will speak, they will give an answer for it in the day of judgment.
37 For by your words you will be justified and by your words you will be condemned."
38 Then some of the Scribes and Pharisees responded and they were saying to him, "Teacher we wish to see a sign from you."
39 But he answered and said to them, "An evil and adulterous generation seeks a sign and a sign will not be given to it except the sign of Jonah the Prophet.
40 For just as Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights, thus The Son of Man will be in the heart of the earth three days and three nights.
41 `
Men Ninevites shall be standing up<450> in the judging with
this generation and they shall be condemning it,
That they repent<3340> into the proclamation of Jonah and behold! more of Jonah here.
Luke 11:
27 And while he was speaking these things, a woman raised her voice from the crowd and she said to him, "Blessing to the womb that carried you and to the breasts that suckled you."
28 He said to her, "Blessings to those who have heard the word of God and keep it."
29 And when the crowds were assembling he began to say, "This wicked generation seeks for a sign and a sign will not be given to it except the sign of Jonah the Prophet."
30 "For just as Jonah was a sign to the Ninevites
thus also the Son of the Man shall be to this generation."
31 "The Queen of The South shall stand in judgment with
the men of this generation, and she shall condemn them, for she came from the far side of the land that she might hear the wisdom of Solomon and behold, he who is greater than Solomon is here."
32 'Men, Ninevites shall be standing-up<450> in the judging with this generation, and shall be condemning<2632 it,
That they repent<3340> at the proclamation of Jonah and behold! greater/more<4119> of Jonah here
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1453. egeiro probably akin to the base of 58 (through the idea of collecting one's faculties);
to waken (transitively or intransitively), i.e. rouse (literally, from sleep, from sitting or lying
Matthew 12
34Offspring of vipers! How can you who are evil speak good things? For from the fullness of the heart the mouth speaks.
35A good man from a good treasure brings good things, and an evil man from evil treasure brings evil things.
36For I say to you that every idle word that people will speak, they will give an answer for it in the day of judgment.
37For by your words you will be justified and by your words you will be condemned."
38Then some of the Scribes and Pharisees responded and they were saying to him, "Teacher we wish to see a sign from you."
39But he answered and said to them, "An evil and adulterous generation seeks a sign and a sign will not be given to it except the sign of Jonah the Prophet.
40For just as Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights, thus The Son of Man will be in the heart of the earth three days and three nights.
41The Ninevite men will arise in the judgment with this generation and will condemn it, for they repented at the preaching of Jonah, and behold, one greater than Jonah is here
42 `A Queen of the south shall be being roused/wakened<1453> in the judging<2920> with this generation and shall be condemning it.
That she came out of the ends of the land to hear the wisdom of Solomon, and behold, more of Solomon here!
Luke 11:
27 And while he was speaking these things, a woman raised her voice from the crowd and she said to him, "Blessing to the womb that carried you and to the breasts that suckled you."
28 He said to her, "Blessings to those who have heard the word of God and keep it."
29 And when the crowds were assembling he began to say, "This wicked generation seeks for a sign and a sign will not be given to it except the sign of Jonah the Prophet."
30 "For just as Jonah was a sign to the Ninevites
thus also The Son of Man shall be to this generation."
31 '
A queen of the south shall be being roused/wakened<1453>
in the judging with the men of this generation, and shall be condemning them.
That she came from the ends of the land to hear the wisdom of Solomon and behold! greater/more than Solomon here!
TO BE CONTINUED.................
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Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized- Poll Thread
And Jesus coming out, departed from
the Temple.
And His Disciples approached Him to show to Him the buildings of the Temple. And Jesus said to them, “ are ye not seeing
all these?[
Matthew 24:1-2]