He gave you the intelligence that is required to formulate these questions... and..... the tools to answer them.
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Three quick Noah's Ark questions
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Sorry but Scripture does support a global flood! Reread Genesis 7:17-to end of chapter.
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How can we be sure that science has that right?
How can we be sure that time is linear or that the creation was spoken into being with inherent time in a creative instant - like the wine at Canna - a vintage in an instant. Science is a good pursuit but in some areas theories become arrogant.
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Or that we do not live in Matrix, in some alien computer game etc. Well, we are limited by the data we got, we have nothing more to work with.
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Science is not a tool. Science is knowledge. Science uses various tools to get the knowledge - observation, experiments, measurements etc.
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The "science" of evolution uses assumption and skips over things that it cannot explain, prove or reproduce....
No longer does science, in some areas not all, follow the breadcrumbs to the answer... In the pseudo sciences of the earths origins and of things beyond our atmosphere, and other mathematical and theoretical areas where only a handful of people even understand it.. yet they state it as fact. (Who can argue all the hen scratches on the chalk board?) Now, in these disciplines, they have determined an answer... It is stated as fact... All data that leads away from this targeted answer, is discredited, ignored, ridiculed, lost or destroyed.... Only the traces of observations that can be bent, twisted and fabricated into something that leads to this predetermined target of a "truth" is accepted.
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He built it where he lived, on dry ground. It was close to Mount Zion of the north, for sure, which is the northern border of Israel, cause his great grandfather, Enoch, lived near there when he lived on earth and wrote the books, of which one is called "The Book of Enoch" which is canon in the Ethiopian Orthodox Church and always has been, , and sections of manuscript copies of it were discovered in the DSS, and another one, also, which is called "The Book of the Giants". Enoch said he wrote 365 books.
Mount Zion of the north was called Mount Hermon from the days of Jared, because the holy
Watcher angels who descended there took an oath to curse themselves and keep their human like forms so as to marry daughters of Adam and get sons by them, thereby splitting genes and getting giants born of their own evil fallen spirits and the flesh of the Adam creation, by their daughters of Adam kind wives.
He landed in the mountains of Ararat, and there did the Ark stay and be seen by the generations following, even to the days of Josephus, who wrote that it was there when he lived two thousand years ago, and was visited and seen by the many. Josephus also said the remaining section of the fallen Tower of Babel was a place visited by many, still, in his days, also.
Noah's grandfather, Methuselah, helped build it, and they built it for 5 years before the flood. Methuseleh died, and the flood came.
In Nimrod's day, Noah lived at Mount Moriah, which is now called Jerusalem.
As to the Garden of Eden, that is in the third heaven, where it has always been, and Paradise is there, still.
Paul said He went to the third heaven, to Paradise, whether in the body or out of it, he did not know. But it is still there, for Jesus said, in Revelation, that the Tree of Life is in the midst of the Garden/Paradise of God.
As to the River that went out of Eden and became 4 river heads on earth, that is an atmospheric river.
Atmospheric rivers can carry more water than the Amazon River.
Look up atmospheric rivers.
2 Corinthians 12: It is [a]doubtless not profitable for me to boast. I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord: 2 I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago—whether in the body I do not know, or whether out of the body I do not know, God knows—such a one was caught up to the third heaven. 3 And I know such a man—whether in the body or out of the body I do not know, God knows— 4 how he was caught up into Paradise .
Revelation 2:7
“He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who overcomes I will give to eat from the tree of life, which is in the midst of the Paradise of God.” ’
So if you are interested in study, look at the Real Book of Jasher, which is a true history book, and look at the Book of Enoch, which is true sacred writing. Neither of those books contradict the Gospel of Jesus Christ, nor do they contradict the Scriptures held sacred, but do answer the kinds of questions you are asking.
When it happened is there to be discovered in Scripture, also, if you do your research, and is listed outright in the real Book of Jasher, which gives a chronology of the Patriarchs from creation to the time Joshua went into the promised land, and a bit after, for it was completed by Joshua, who also completed Deuteronomy after Moses 'died'.
Shem outlived Abraham. Abraham dwelt with Noah and Shem at Mount Moriah for some time, when hiding from Nimrod. He did not come out from their house until the fall of the tower of Bab El. He was 39 years old at the time -if memory of the Book of JAsher serves me well without looking it up, and Noah did not die til Abraham was 58 years old.
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If you open your bible you can calculate the genealogies all the way back to Adam. Please read Genesis 5 and you will get a complete timeline from Adam to Noah. Just a little ability in math and there you have it! Please note there were animals on the earth pre-Adam and I am not saying here when that started....
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Perhaps you've confused faith in Jesus Christ with faith in bible passages?
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I built this timeline in the long ago.... Estimated dates....
4300 BC - Creation of Adam
2640 BC - The Great Flood
2060 AD - Christ’s coming
3100 AD - End of millennial and destruction of planet earth
I have man on this planet 7,400 years, and would put the accuracy of these dates within 400 years....
Noah's dad Lamech complained of a cursed ground... " And he called his name Noah, saying, This same shall comfort us concerning our work and toil of our hands, because of the ground which the Lord hath cursed." - Genesis 5:29
Taking the timeline of the church in parallel with the generations of Adam there was a severe famine during the time Noah was born. I would imagine a time of famine during the time of the Black Horseman, which days I believe we now live in....
As far as Isaac Newton’s 2060AD quote he said....
“It may end later, but I see no reason for its ending sooner. This I mention not to assert when the time of the end shall be, but to put a stop to the rash conjectures of fancifull men who are frequently predicting the time of the end, & by doing so bring the sacred prophesies into discredit as often as their predictions fail. Christ comes as a thief in the night, & it is not for us to know the times & seasons which God hath put into his own breast." - Isaac Newton
So please use the 2060AD quote as a close estimation and not an exact date.
I used Genesis 5 to build the image in the first table.
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If you think the Biblical record of the Flood is just another Middle Eastern myth, then you have to believe that the whole of the book of Genesis is a myth as well and not really God's inspired record of events.
This means that there were no Adam or Eve, no snake in the garden, no fall of man, no tower of Babel, no Flood, no Abraham, Isaac or Jacob, and no Joseph in Egypt.
If that is what you believe, then the gospel of Christ is not believable either for you, because the gospel assumes that the book of Genesis is historical fact.
This also means that you have to accept that your Catholic faith is based on myth and therefore have no assurance of salvation and that your observance and worship has to be pointless because there is no future in it.
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