Very Recently Left Catholicism And Need Advice For Dealing With The Fallout From Catholics

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I'm a non-denom Christian but I do recommend you watch this

You did read where I said there will be no debate and no change in regards to my attending a liturgical church?

I will never attend a non-denominational (read Baptist lite) church or non-liturgical church!
 
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First of all, congratulations in shedding the shackles of Catholicism.

My suggestion is to remind yourself that the opinion of others doesn't matter. You left them for a reason and they're threatened by that so they revert to petty insults and baseless accusations as they further entrench themselves in what they believe to be true. Either way, there's a huge conflict of interest because in trying to convince you that you're wrong, they're also subconsciously trying to validate their own beliefs.

Walking away from the Catholic church is the greatest step you've made in your walk with the Lord thus far. Hopefully you can convince some of your friends to get out as well in time.
 
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You did read where I said there will be no debate and no change in regards to my attending a liturgical church?

I will never attend a non-denominational (read Baptist lite) church or non-liturgical church!
Chill
 
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I would like to remind those who want to sell me on a church, that I am looking for a liturgical church, nothing other than a liturgical church.

My mind will not change on that.

I am curious, though. What Scripture verses or other proofs (evidences) makes you think that the sacraments play a part in the salvation process? Granted, I am all for Sanctification being a part of salvation (after we are saved by God's grace through faith in Christ), but that would be obedience to the Moral commands we see in the New Testament (that are based on love and not ceremonies or rituals).
 
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I am curious, though. What Scripture verses or other proofs (evidences) makes you think that the sacraments play a part in the salvation process? Granted, I am all for Sanctification being a part of salvation (after we are saved by God's grace through faith in Christ), but that would be obedience to the Moral commands we see in the New Testament (that are based on love and not ceremonies or rituals).

I am not debating my decision.

Please do not make me say it again.
 
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Having very recently left Catholicism and I am getting much blow back from Catholics because I did.

If you're no longer attending Mass, who is after you?
friends from church or family?
 
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If you're no longer attending Mass, who is after you?
friends from church or family?


my entire family is Catholic & husband's is Lutheran

we attend more than one Christian church but not one family member or friend has pushed us towards their particular church

Some family, some friends. They don't want me to leave Catholicism.
 
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That sounds very Lutheran.

I guess?

It is what I have come to believe for some time now.

Want to give the Episcopal church a try since it's what my girlfriend is and when we get married, I would like to be of the same faith.

Edit: Not saying you were trying to persuade me, just conversating.
 
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I guess?

It is what I have come to believe for some time now.

Want to give the Episcopal church a try since it's what my girlfriend is and when we get married, I would like to be of the same faith.

Edit: Not saying you were trying to persuade me, just conversating.


No worries. I spent time in the Anglican Church after I left Rome. It was basically the Episcopal church with the older prayer book (1928). I am still very fond of the old prayer book and know pretty much the entire 1940 Hymnal by heart.
 
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Some family, some friends. They don't want me to leave Catholicism.

Family is hardest to deal with.
Frame it differently: Maybe they just care, in their own way.
People going the other way have a tough time of it too.
Emphasis what you still share with them.

You are welcome to your choices, I wish you well.


I know you are not interested in debate,I am curious not arguing: but surprising thing I thought you said was History was "written by winners" I found odd since there was no contest "to win" that I was aware off, until the orthodox split in which geographical isolation and language also played a significant part.

Throughout the first period were a continuous stream of ideas declared herestical, first gnostics, modalists, arians and many others... that took us through the first few hundred years, in which all of the essential dogmas were established. I am rather glad modalists and arians lost! Leading to the creed we have. Can you explain the "winners remark"
 
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Family is hardest to deal with.
Frame it differently: Maybe they just care, in their own way.
People going the other way have a tough time of it too.
Emphasis what you still share with them.

You are welcome to your choices, I wish you well.


I know you are not interested in debate,I am curious not arguing: but surprising thing I thought you said was History was "written by winners" I found odd since there was no contest "to win" that I was aware off, until the orthodox split in which geographical isolation and language also played a significant part.

Throughout the first period were a continuous stream of ideas declared herestical, first gnostics, modalists, arians and many others... that took us through the first few hundred years, in which all of the essential dogmas were established. I am rather glad modalists and arians lost! Leading to the creed we have. Can you explain the "winners remark"

It is the only way that I know how to explain it or reference it.

I'm sorry.
 
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Having very recently left Catholicism and I am getting much blow back from Catholics because I did. Lots of you're going to hell type comments and the Catholic church is the only church that Jesus is in or that he started. My favorites are that I left because of the scandals or the LGBT movement. I will say that I lean liberal in many things, but also conservative in others. I vote independent and not down party lines.

I left because I just don't agree with Catholicism and I was what they considered a cradle Catholic. I have been doing much research into Catholicism over the past few years, reading about the early church fathers and early Christianity and what I have come to realize is that the phrase, "history is written by the victors" is so true! What I see is that they are the true church because they were the first ones to claim it and nothing more.

Also don't believe the old phrase, "Once Catholic, always Catholic." Especially for those who through no choice of their own were baptized Catholic as infants such as I was. Had I been given a choice, I wouldn't have been Catholic. I believe that is just a way to scare you into staying with Catholicism. I am not necessarily against being baptized as an infant, just that the baptism doesn't bind you to one denomination.

So, after realizing that I just don't agree with many things that the Catholic church says, I couldn't stay.

What can I do about these other Catholics coming down so hard on me?

Haven't chosen a church to attend yet, as I didn't go this weekend wanting a break from things and having too much to do around my apartment.

I will say that I want to stay liturgical and am leaning Episcopal.

I am sorry you received so much blowback. I suppose its better than leaving and no one even knowing or caring that you are gone. The later was my experience. I pray that you find a church home.

One thing you wrote I would object is the phrase "history is written by the victors" simply is not true. And in the context of your post I am living proof of that the statement is not true. It is often asserted that the Early church fathers (ECF) taught what Rome teaches today. However when I began to read the ECF I discovered that simply was not the case. What I read was something quite different that what was presented to me from a Roman perspective. Reading the ECF did not drive me towards Rome rather it drove me away. The fact that we still have these writings proves the point that victors no matter who decisive the victory do not possess the kind of control to shape later reasoned scholarship that is the discipline of History. I think what you mean is more of the cultural narrative around historical events and there we would agree. I hold an undergraduate degree in History so this subject is near and dear to my heart.

Again prayers for your journey.
 
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Having very recently left Catholicism and I am getting much blow back from Catholics because I did. Lots of you're going to hell type comments and the Catholic church is the only church that Jesus is in or that he started. My favorites are that I left because of the scandals or the LGBT movement. I will say that I lean liberal in many things, but also conservative in others. I vote independent and not down party lines.

I left because I just don't agree with Catholicism and I was what they considered a cradle Catholic. I have been doing much research into Catholicism over the past few years, reading about the early church fathers and early Christianity and what I have come to realize is that the phrase, "history is written by the victors" is so true! What I see is that they are the true church because they were the first ones to claim it and nothing more.

Also don't believe the old phrase, "Once Catholic, always Catholic." Especially for those who through no choice of their own were baptized Catholic as infants such as I was. Had I been given a choice, I wouldn't have been Catholic. I believe that is just a way to scare you into staying with Catholicism. I am not necessarily against being baptized as an infant, just that the baptism doesn't bind you to one denomination.

So, after realizing that I just don't agree with many things that the Catholic church says, I couldn't stay.

What can I do about these other Catholics coming down so hard on me?

Haven't chosen a church to attend yet, as I didn't go this weekend wanting a break from things and having too much to do around my apartment.

I will say that I want to stay liturgical and am leaning Episcopal.

Would you agree that the closer to the origin, the purer the stream?

What I am suggesting here is that Christianity did not start in 1517 in Whittenburg Germany. It began with the Apostles going out and spreading the Good News, therefore, in order to understand Christianity, you should really go back and read what the Early Christians believed and taught. I would suggest a reading of the Early Fathers of the Church to know how they viewed Christ and our relationship to Him.

If you would like a really fine history of the Christian faith, starting around 800 AD, which shows how the Church of Rome ran off the rails, I would suggest this:

Paradise and Utopia | Ancient Faith Ministries

This is a series of 83 podcasts which are really fascinating. I learned so much from them in terms of history and things I did not know. I highly recommend this as you are seeking truth rather than just listening to boilerplate from standard sources.
 
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@Isilwen , have you ever had a Born-Again experience?

If you have not, you will be stuck trying to stand in your own strength.

If/when you have, God can empower/motivate you to stand.

Yeah, he did have that experience. It's called being "baptized" and it is what the Bible says removes sins (Acts 2:38; Titus 3:5)
 
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