(The Amazon Synod thread): Pope Francis prays for 'daring prudence' during Amazon Synod

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I find it odd that allowing married men to become priests is lumped in with all the bad stuff. It's Biblical, historical, and the current practice of the Eastern Catholic Church.

I am in the minority - but I think it's one of the few things that may draw a dynamic into the Church that may help fix it.

Women's ordination is a total no go however - that's neither Biblical or historical.
 
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Why is there a priest shortage everywhere if married priests and female priests solves everything? In church of Norway they suffer from this even more so than we do and they've had female priests since the sixties. How about the church of the east? They got married priests, but suffer from shortage aswell. Nah, this is something else. This has to do with some bigger picture agenda and not priest shortage at all.
 
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I agree. It does not make sense. Seems it is less about the priest shortage overall and more about changing the teaching and disciplines of the Church imo.
Why is there a priest shortage everywhere if married priests and female priests solves everything? In church of Norway they suffer from this even more so than we do and they've had female priests since the sixties. How about the church of the east? They got married priests, but suffer from shortage aswell. Nah, this is something else. This has to do with some bigger picture agenda and not priest shortage at all.
 
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Why is there a priest shortage everywhere if married priests and female priests solves everything? In church of Norway they suffer from this even more so than we do and they've had female priests since the sixties. How about the church of the east? They got married priests, but suffer from shortage aswell. Nah, this is something else. This has to do with some bigger picture agenda and not priest shortage at all.

Given that info - you are probably right Stabat.

Why is the such and abundance of protestant pastors I wonder - I heard there are two for every job opening.
 
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I find it odd that allowing married men to become priests is lumped in with all the bad stuff. It's Biblical, historical, and the current practice of the Eastern Catholic Church.

I am in the minority - but I think it's one of the few things that may draw a dynamic into the Church that may help fix it.

Women's ordination is a total no go however - that's neither Biblical or historical.
If it were JUST having married priests I would object but only a little bit. But it's a whole panoply of things including women deacons and priests and bishops, normalizing sexual deviations, no longer evangelizing but absorbing pagan practices instead, and who knows what else.

South and Central America were evangelized by serious Jesuits and Franciscans among others. They never actually finished the job, but they did half-way OK at it. Until they pretty much gave up and got swallowed up by Liberation Theology. Now the people evangelized by those old faithful Jesuits and Franciscans look around for ways to continue to be faithful, and the closest thing they can find is the Protestants, who look a whole lot more similar to the old Jesuits and Franciscans than the new Jesuits and Franciscans. The failure of Catholicism in the Amazon has little to do with a lack of married priests and everything to do with an abandonment of of the commission of Christ to baptize and make disciples. Maybe we can get back to that. Or not. Married priests alone will do nothing.
 
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Given that info - you are probably right Stabat.

Why is the such and abundance of protestant pastors I wonder - I heard there are two for every job opening.
It depends on the kind of Protestant I'd imagine whether they have a shortage or a surplus.
 
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If it were JUST having married priests I would object but only a little bit. But it's a whole panoply of things including women deacons and priests and bishops, normalizing sexual deviations, no longer evangelizing but absorbing pagan practices instead, and who knows what else.

South and Central America were evangelized by serious Jesuits and Franciscans among others. They never actually finished the job, but they did half-way OK at it. Until they pretty much gave up and got swallowed up by Liberation Theology. Now the people evangelized by those old faithful Jesuits and Franciscans look around for ways to continue to be faithful, and the closest thing they can find is the Protestants, who look a whole lot more similar to the old Jesuits and Franciscans than the new Jesuits and Franciscans. The failure of Catholicism in the Amazon has little to do with a lack of married priests and everything to do with an abandonment of of the commission of Christ to baptize and make disciples. Maybe we can get back to that. Or not. Married priests alone will do nothing.

I pretty much agree. There is a massive buffet of chaos, liberalism, and destruction in this synod.

Married priests could be for the better - but I doubt good intentions are behind it here.

So, nope, I won't argue on this here.
 
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