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the Lord God formed every beast of the field... and brought them unto Adam...but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.
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You re-read it... The Fall occured after Creation of Kinds. So it would be referring to mutations within a Kind, don't you think?
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But that still doesn't help us any. Because if two different species were not interfertile, it could either be that they were of the same kind but mutated, or not of the same kind. How would you tell if they were of the same kind or not?
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It doesn't tell us what a "kind" is though because it allows for the same kinds of organisms to be not interfertile. IOW, that definition allows us to start with a single life form (e.g. the original created "kind") and it could diversify into every single form of current life on the planet.
And this is the problem with that definition: it doesn't give us a way to meaningfully distinguish between different kinds of organisms.
Which only reinforces that it's not a useful concept in biology.
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No, I used a succinct paraphrase as written by someone that saw through Georgia and Bodie's apologetics:
1. General rule of thumb is if two things can breed they're the same created kind.
2. If two animals can produce a hybrid, then they're the same kind.
3. The inability to produce offspring doesn't rule out the possibility that animals may be the same kind, as it may be the result of mutations since the Fall.
2. If two animals can produce a hybrid, then they're the same kind.
3. The inability to produce offspring doesn't rule out the possibility that animals may be the same kind, as it may be the result of mutations since the Fall.
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"If they can breed then they are the same kind... but if not, they might still be."
You just don't like the fact that when put that way, you see how silly creation science is.
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By following the guidlines I presented (from another source). First, can they breed? If they can, they're the same kind, if not, they aren't (except under situations that may be the result of the Fall). The latter part is not referring to different kinds, but to known kinds that normally breed. Then there are those who don't normally breed, which are different kinds. How hard could that be to understand?
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I will make him an help meet for him...And out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them...
But NOT:
I will make him an help meet for him.And lo, God madeth a female human for Adam and wondered why He had not done so in the first place
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I have always held that dispite the appearance of time, it is unknown.
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So who gave us genes for mutation correction proteins?
I find it entertaining when the same creationist will present the whole 'the fall gave us mutations' and will, in a different thread, present evidence of God's foresight for giving us ways to correct mutations.
And they see no internal contradiction.
Surely you have argued that way? I will have a look see...
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Not if they have the mutations from "the Fall" (for which there are only uncorroborated scroll-stories in support).
Otherwise, yes. Obviously.
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Maybe you'd do better trying to interpret science books???
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You didn't say under "situations". You said as a result of mutations.
The definition you have presented could include all life on Earth starting from a single common ancestor. Without realizing it, you've described the very evolution you reject.
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And, every comment or idea I present has to be original, when you're continually regurgitating 150 years of evolutionary stuff.
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Aren't mutations the result of situations... and what difference does it make?
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Do you not know what mutations are?
The difference is makes is that words have specific meanings, especially when it comes to discussing scientific topics. If you're unfamiliar with those meanings then, well, here we are.
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I would think God's foresight, and whether or not He chooses to act on it, is two different things. But look away!
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The guy that doesn't know the difference in observational and historical science, is lecturing me on scientific meanings??? Yes, here we are.
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