“Me Too” comebacks????

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Is Redemption Possible In The Aftermath Of #MeToo?

Here is a story asking if it is possible to make a comeback after someone is accused of sexual misconduct or assault.

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It's been two years since the #MeToo movement erupted, toppling many powerful men accused of sexual misconduct.

Some guys who were ousted for alleged sexual misconduct started talking about their comebacks practically nanoseconds after they were accused. But the pace of those actually doing it seems to be picking up, with comedian Louis C.K. returning to headline comedy shows, former U.S. Sen. Al Franken launching a new podcast and a radio show, and onetime TV political pundit Mark Halperin offering commentary on radio and publishing a new book. Their alleged offenses run the gamut, as do their expressions of remorse, fueling questions about what a road back should look like and who should travel it and when.

"We have to grapple with this question of who can come back and who can't," says Tarana Burke, the activist who coined the term "Me Too" years before it went viral in 2017. She says her focus remains on supporting survivors, and she doesn't much like being asked so often these days about perpetrators' comebacks. But, she concedes, society must also focus more on rehabilitation, not so much for the perpetrators' sake, as for the sake of real, lasting change.​

I say no it should NOT be possible. In the OT adultery carried the death penalty. If that is not possible today, life without parole should be the proper sentence.
 

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Unfortunately I cannot at this time (using my iPad) get a good link to this story on NPR. I will try from a different computer later.

But there is a story asking if it is possible to make a comeback after someone is accused of sexual misconduct or assault.

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It's been two years since the #MeToo movement erupted, toppling many powerful men accused of sexual misconduct.

Some guys who were ousted for alleged sexual misconduct started talking about their comebacks practically nanoseconds after they were accused. But the pace of those actually doing it seems to be picking up, with comedian Louis C.K. returning to headline comedy shows, former U.S. Sen. Al Franken launching a new podcast and a radio show, and onetime TV political pundit Mark Halperin offering commentary on radio and publishing a new book. Their alleged offenses run the gamut, as do their expressions of remorse, fueling questions about what a road back should look like and who should travel it and when.

"We have to grapple with this question of who can come back and who can't," says Tarana Burke, the activist who coined the term "Me Too" years before it went viral in 2017. She says her focus remains on supporting survivors, and she doesn't much like being asked so often these days about perpetrators' comebacks. But, she concedes, society must also focus more on rehabilitation, not so much for the perpetrators' sake, as for the sake of real, lasting change.​

I say no it should NOT be possible. In the OT adultery carried the death penalty. If that is not possible today, life without parole should be the proper sentence.
The proper sentence for what?
 
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Being convicted of sexual misconduct.
Convicted how? In what court?

I don't mean to be antagonistic, but is Aziz Ansari likely to be convicted? What exactly are you proposing? Additions to the criminal code?
 
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I say no it should NOT be possible. In the OT adultery carried the death penalty. If that is not possible today, life without parole should be the proper sentence.
Oh and I suppose that those who cheat on their husbands or wives should be given the death penalty as well?That is also categorized as "adultery" isn't it?
What if the victims were not virgins before the sexual assault?Should they be killed along with sexual assaulter?Sex before marriage also carries the death sentence doesn't it since it is also "adultery".
John 8:1-11

1But Jesus went to the Mount of Olives.

2Early in the morning He went back into the temple courts. All the people came to Him, and He sat down to teach them. 3The scribes and Pharisees, however, brought to Him a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before them 4and said, “Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. 5In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such a woman. So what do You say?”

6They said this to test Him, in order to have a basis for accusing Him. But Jesus bent down and began to write on the ground with His finger.

7When they continued to question Him, He straightened up and said to them, “Let him who is without sin among you be the first to cast a stone at her.” 8And again He bent down and wrote on the ground.

9When they heard this,a they began to go away one by one, beginning with the older ones, until only Jesus was left, with the woman standing there. 10Then Jesus straightened upb and asked her, “Woman, where are your accusers?c Has no one condemned you?”

11“No one, Lord,” she answered.

“Then neither do I condemn you,” Jesus declared. “Now go and sin no more.”
 
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I say no it should NOT be possible. In the OT adultery carried the death penalty. If that is not possible today, life without parole should be the proper sentence.

I believe that would cut my morning commute time in half. It comes to a matter of practicality, in that it would be impossible, at least in my area, to house all of the offenders in prison. To merely stigmatize them is the best we could do, and we're only just barely doing that. Nevertheless, I agree that no one needs them to make a comeback. Not everyone is entitled to a chance to restore their social standing.
 
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Oh and I suppose that those who cheat on their husbands or wives should be given the death penalty as well?
Yes.
John 8:1-11

...3The scribes and Pharisees, however, brought to Him a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before them 4and said, “Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery.....

I guess it was inevitable that the Pericope Adultrae would be cited. Let's also note, while we're at it, that it's well known that this story was added to the book of John at a later time, and that John most likely did not write it. Let's also note that no other author mentions it, and no other passage hints at a similar theme. In other words, you're going to need a lot more supporting scripture to make that point.
 
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And folks, this is another reason why "Fundies" are made fun of!

I guess it was inevitable that the Pericope Adultrae would be cited. Let's also note, while we're at it, that it's well known that this story was added to the book of John at a later time, and that John most likely did not write it. Let's also note that no other author mentions it, and no other passage hints at a similar theme. In other words, you're going to need a lot more supporting scripture to make that point.
It's still part of the Bible.
 
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Oh and I suppose that those who cheat on their husbands or wives should be given the death penalty as well?That is also categorized as "adultery" isn't it?
What if the victims were not virgins before the sexual assault?Should they be killed along with sexual assaulter?Sex before marriage also carries the death sentence doesn't it since it is also "adultery".
John 8:1-11

1But Jesus went to the Mount of Olives.

2Early in the morning He went back into the temple courts. All the people came to Him, and He sat down to teach them. 3The scribes and Pharisees, however, brought to Him a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before them 4and said, “Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. 5In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such a woman. So what do You say?”

6They said this to test Him, in order to have a basis for accusing Him. But Jesus bent down and began to write on the ground with His finger.

7When they continued to question Him, He straightened up and said to them, “Let him who is without sin among you be the first to cast a stone at her.” 8And again He bent down and wrote on the ground.

9When they heard this,a they began to go away one by one, beginning with the older ones, until only Jesus was left, with the woman standing there. 10Then Jesus straightened upb and asked her, “Woman, where are your accusers?c Has no one condemned you?”

11“No one, Lord,” she answered.

“Then neither do I condemn you,” Jesus declared. “Now go and sin no more.”
The balance that is obviously lacking in that quote is that she being caught in the act the male was unquestionably already set free. The pendulum swings both ways before a balance can be achieved and since she took it then it’s the male’s part that is still undealt with. That is still the context of that quote.
 
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The balance that is obviously lacking in that quote is that she being caught in the act the male was unquestionably already set free. The pendulum swings both ways before a balance can be achieved and since she took it then it’s the male’s part that is still undealt with. That is still the context of that quote.
Jesus could then have supported the execution of BOTH the male and female. He didn't do that for either one.
 
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I say no it should NOT be possible. In the OT adultery carried the death penalty. If that is not possible today, life without parole should be the proper sentence.
You seem to be getting at some sort of law reform in the matter of sexual misconduct and looking back 50 years I would say the law is moving the other way where things that are immoral yesterday are celebrated today. What do you see as a responsible way to introduce this reform? what's the plan but without the platitudes?
 
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Is Redemption Possible In The Aftermath Of #MeToo?

Here is a story asking if it is possible to make a comeback after someone is accused of sexual misconduct or assault.

.......
It's been two years since the #MeToo movement erupted, toppling many powerful men accused of sexual misconduct.

Some guys who were ousted for alleged sexual misconduct started talking about their comebacks practically nanoseconds after they were accused. But the pace of those actually doing it seems to be picking up, with comedian Louis C.K. returning to headline comedy shows, former U.S. Sen. Al Franken launching a new podcast and a radio show, and onetime TV political pundit Mark Halperin offering commentary on radio and publishing a new book. Their alleged offenses run the gamut, as do their expressions of remorse, fueling questions about what a road back should look like and who should travel it and when.

"We have to grapple with this question of who can come back and who can't," says Tarana Burke, the activist who coined the term "Me Too" years before it went viral in 2017. She says her focus remains on supporting survivors, and she doesn't much like being asked so often these days about perpetrators' comebacks. But, she concedes, society must also focus more on rehabilitation, not so much for the perpetrators' sake, as for the sake of real, lasting change.​

I say no it should NOT be possible. In the OT adultery carried the death penalty. If that is not possible today, life without parole should be the proper sentence.
On the direct testimony of at least 2 eye witnesses would be the standard of evidence required.
 
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