Revelation 11:18 "2nd Woe passed, .......time of wrath ........

Douggg said:

Why would John be told to measure Herod's temple? The dimensions of that temple were already known. It is a different temple.

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It is the Sanctuary of the Temple...........Perhaps I should make a separate thread on the measuring of it along with the Altar of Incense and those worshiping in it.........

Strong's Concordance with Hebrew and Greek Lexicon
G3354 μετρέω (metreō) occurs 10 times in 9 verses

1st time used:

Mat 7:2
for in what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged, and in what measure<3358> ye measure, it shall be measured to you.

Used in 5 verses of Revelation

Rev 11:1
And there was given to me a reed like to a rod, and the messenger stood, saying, 'Rise, and measure the sanctuary of God, and the altar, and those worshiping in it;
Rev 11:2
and the court that is without the sanctuary leave out, and thou mayest not measure it, because it was given to the nations, and the holy city they shall tread down forty-two months;

Rev 21:15
And he who talked with me had a gold reed to measure the city, its gates, and its wall.
Rev 21:16
The city is laid out as a square; its length is as great as its breadth. And he measured the city with the reed: twelve thousand furlongs. Its length, breadth, and height are equal.
Rev 21:17
Then he measured its wall: one hundred and forty-four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of an angel.

BABerean2 said:

The location of the sanctuary in Revelation 11 is found in the last verse of the chapter.

You ignored that verse, because it does not fit your 70 AD narrative.

Rev 11:19 And opened was the sanctuary of God in the heaven, and there was seen the ark of His covenant in His sanctuary, and there did come lightnings, and voices, and thunders, and an earthquake, and great hail.
YLT
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It is good that you finally use the word Sanctuary and YLT......

Remember this thread?

What about Revelation 11:1-2 SANCTUARY, COURT AND HOLY CITY

BABerean2 said: ↑
The location of the temple at the beginning of Revelation chapter 11 is found later in the passage.
Rev 11:1 Rise, and measure the temple of God, ..........
Rev 11:19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven,

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LittleLambofJesus said:

As I have just shown, the word "Temple<2411>" is never once used in Revelation.
Use a better Bible version like YLT which renders words lie Age, Land/World, Gehenna, Temple, Sanctuary more accurately.

Matthew 23:33 "Serpents! offspring of vipers! how? ye may be fleeing from the judging<2920> of the Gehenna <1067>
OC Jerusalem and Lake of Fire
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Now, what is the significance of the Court just outside of the Sanctuary being cast outside and given to the Gentiles in Herod's TempleReve 11:2

G3485 (YLT)
G3485 ναός (naos) occurs 46 times in 40 verses

Revelation 11:
1 And was given to me a reed like-as rod saying "rouse! and measure! the Sanctuary<3485> of God and the Altar[Golden Altar] and those worshiping in it
2 and the Court/Fold<833>[Priests/Lavar/Altar of Sacrifice] outside of the Sanctuary, be casting-out!<1544> out-side<1854> and no it thou should be measuring, that it was given to the Gentiles/Nations.
And the holy City they shall be treading<3961>forty two months.
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STRONGS NT 3485: ναός ναός, ναοῦ, ὁ (ναίω to dwell),
the Sept. for הֵיכָל, used of the temple at Jerusalem, but only of the sacred edifice (or sanctuary) itself, consisting of the Holy place and the Holy of holies (in classical Greek used of the sanctuary or cell of a temple.............
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Studies In The Scriptures - Tabernacle Shadows - Chapter 1
The Camp--The Gate--
The Court--The Bronze Altar--The Water Laver

The Tabernacle--
The First Veil--
The Table--The Lampstand--The Golden Altar--
The Second Veil
The Mercy Seat and Ark--
The Significance of These and Their Antitypes.
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Which Temple/Court/Sanctuary is shown in Revelation 11:1-2--Herod's Temple or Future?

Revelation 11:1-2 Herod's Temple, Future or Other?

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   Herod's Temple pre 70AD
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2. A future earthly Temple
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3. It is a heavenly Temple being mesured
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4. I don't know right now
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5. Other
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BABerean2 said:

Since the name "Herod" is not found in Revelation chapter 11, and the location of the sanctuary is found in Revelation 11:19, the verse has nothing to do with Herod's temple.
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The Temple is shown in Matthew 24 The Olivet Discourse is shown in Revelation, therefore 1st century Jerusalem and the Temple is being shown in Revelation............Jesus says so right here.

The Sanctuary and Court would be inside Herod's Temple which was inside pre70 Jerusalem.

Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized- Poll Thread

Matthew 24:1 And Jesus coming out, departed from the Temple<2411>.
And His Disciples approached Him to show to Him the buildings of the Temple.
Mark 13:1 And He going forth out of the Temple,
one of His Disciples is saying to Him “Teacher! behold! what manner of stones and what manner of buildings”
Luke 21:5 and of some saying concerning the Temple,
that to goodly stones and votive-offerings<334> it has been adorned<2885>

Luke 21:24 “And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations. [Revelation 13:10]
And Jerusalem will be trampled<3961> by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.” [Revelation 11:2]

What about Revelation 11:1-2 SANCTUARY, COURT AND HOLY CITY
Post #19 COURT BEING CAST OUT OUTSIDE

2 and the Court/Fold<833>[Priests/Lavar/Altar of Sacrifice] outside of the Sanctuary, be casting-out!<1544> out-side<1854> and no it thou should be measuring, that it was given to the Gentiles/Nations.
And the holy City they shall be treading<3961>forty two months.

BABerean2 said:

The word "sanctuary" is not found in Revelation chapter 18.
Once again, you are attempting to make your 70 AD doctrine work.
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The Great City is shown in the 70AD Jerusalem/Temple Discourse........
1st century Jerusalem is in Revelation 18.....you deny it to make your form of Futurism doctrine work and make Jesus out to be a false prophet to the Jews.................

Luke 21:
20 “But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation has come near.
24 “And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations. [Revelation 13:10]
And Jerusalem will be trampled<3961> by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.” [Revelation 11:2]

Revelation 11:
1 And was given to me a reed like-as rod saying "rouse! and measure! the Sanctuary of the God and the Altar and those worshiping in it
2 and the Court/fold<833> without of the Sanctuary, be Casting-Out!<1544> out-side, and no it thou should be measuring, that it was given to the Nations
and they shall be trampling<3961> the holy City forty two months.

Rev 11:8
And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great Gity which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our[fn] Lord was crucified.
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The phrase "great city" is used only in Revelation of the NT
"great city" occurs 17 times in 17 verses in the YLT.

Rev 11:8

and their dead bodies are upon the broad-place of the great city (that is called spiritually Sodom, and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified,)
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Rev 14:8

And another messenger did follow, saying, 'Fall, fall, did Babylon, the great city, because of the wine of the wrath of her whoredom she hath given to all nations to drink.'
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Rev 16:19

And it came -- the great city -- into three parts, and the cities of the nations did fall, and Babylon the great was remembered before God, to give to her the cup of the wine of the wrath of His anger,
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Rev 17:18

and the woman that thou didst see is the great city that is having reign over the kings of the land.'
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Rev 18:10

from afar having stood because of the fear of her torment, saying, Wo, wo, the great city! Babylon, the strong city! because in one hour did come thy judgment.
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Rev 18:16

and saying, Wo, wo, the great city, that was arrayed with fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and gilded in gold, and precious stone, and pearls -- because in one hour so much riches were made waste!
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Rev 18:18

and were crying, seeing the smoke of her burning, saying, What city is like to the great city?
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Rev 18:19

and they did cast dust upon their heads, and were crying out, weeping and sorrowing, saying, Wo, wo, the great city! in which were made rich all having ships in the sea, out of her costliness -- for in one hour was she made waste.
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Rev 18:21

And one strong messenger did take up a stone as a great millstone, and did cast it to the sea, saying, 'Thus with violence shall Babylon be cast, the great city, and may not be found any more at all;
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Rev 21:10

and he carried me away in the Spirit to a mountain great and high, and did shew to me the great city, the holy Jerusalem, coming down out of the heaven from God,

BABerean2 said:

Luke 21:25-28 is a future event, which occurs when the times of the Gentiles is fulfilled.
Nobody saw Jesus return to planet earth during 70 AD. Therefore, it is actually your doctrine which makes Jesus a false prophet.
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This isn't about Jesus returning.........it is about the 70AD Temple, Sanctuary, Court and Jerusalem in Revelation 11:1-2.

Are you denying that the Jerusalem in Luke 21:24 is not the same one as in Revelation 11:2? If so, you are claiming Jesus was a false Prophet to the 1st century Jews to make your form of Zionist Futurism work.....

Let me show you again.........

Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized- Poll Thread

Matthew 24:1 And Jesus coming out, departed from the Temple<2411>.
And His Disciples approached Him to show to Him the buildings of the Temple.
Mark 13:1 And He going forth out of the Temple,
one of His Disciples is saying to Him “Teacher! behold! what manner of stones and what manner of buildings”
Luke 21:5 and of some saying concerning the Temple,
that to goodly stones and votive-offerings<334> it has been adorned<2885>

Luke 21:24 “And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations. [Revelation 13:10]
And Jerusalem will be trampled<3961> by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.” [Revelation 11:2]



What about Revelation 11:1-2 SANCTUARY, COURT AND HOLY CITY
Post #19 COURT BEING CAST OUT OUTSIDE

2 and the Court/Fold<833>[Priests/Lavar/Altar of Sacrifice] outside of the Sanctuary, be casting-out!<1544> out-side<1854> and no it thou should be measuring, that it was given to the Gentiles/Nations.
And the holy City they shall be treading<3961>forty two months.