Beto threatens tax-exempt status of churches if they don't support gay marriage

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I was speaking of Trump. He would lose support among a large part of his base if he dumped Pence. They would stay home.
I doubt any conservative evangelical or Conservative Catholic would ever vote for Beto after his latest(dumb)outburst, but they weren't going to anyway, as you said.
I was hoping to stay away from politics on these forums(lol)as I am doing a discerning between Catholicism and Orthodoxy or even to stay Lutheran(but that's a whole 'nother thread lol) but I agree with your last paragraph. There is no way I'm voting for any of those Dems, period. Not ever, ever, ever.
I've been very pleased with the judicial appointments in this administration and I take the long view.
For me it was about Scotus, and I predicted way back before Obergefell that if that same sex marriage became legal in all 50 states that churches and religious institutions such as parochial schools would lose their freedoms as who to hire or to teach that marriage is between one man and one woman. Many of my Christian friends bought the view that "Oh how does our neighbors same sex union affect us?) We will just go on teaching marriage is one man and woman, abortion is wrong, etc....)
Uh, no. Look, already haven't some Catholic Institutions had to shut down because they refused to place children with same sex couples? One option against the public school system(which is Godless) is our parochial schools such as my confessional Lutheran school and Catholic schools, where our children can learn about God along with top rate education. they are itching to shut those down, and the tax exempt thing might do it.
On the other hand, there is something to the argument that not having tax exemptions would free us up, in a way, too.
 
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I was speaking of Trump. He would lose support among a large part of his base if he dumped Pence.
I doubt any conservative evangelical or Conservative Catholic would vote for Beto after his latest(dumb)outburst.
I was hoping to stay away from politics on these forums(lol)as I am doing a discerning between Catholicism and Orthodoxy or even to stay Lutheran(but that's a whole 'nother thread lol) but I agree with your last paragraph. There is no way I'm voting for any of those Dems, period. Not ever.
I agree that Trump would lose evangelical support if he dumped Pence. For many, Pence becoming president if Trump is impeached is the silver lining. He wasn't even on my political radar in 2015 but maybe he is tolerable. He is a former Catholic like Mayor Pete.

I mostly stay away from political posts but once in a while I get sucked in to the fray. It's mostly rabid left wingers and rabid Trumpists doing the rabid thing. It's dangerous being around the rabid, because they bite. I'll retire from this one soon enough.

That whole 'nother thread may be multiple threads. You may want to start up a thread each with the Lutherans, the Orthodox, and the Catholics. I would look forward to you posting in OBOB the Catholic forum.
 
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Churches and monasteries are taxed in Egypt (for land/real estate value, as I understand it), yet they still remain open. It would certainly be a change in America, and many churches and related institutions would close, but I think we could adjust to it. (This is separate from the discussion of whether or not it should happen; I don't think it should, but this may be one of those losing battles like the same sex marriage thing where it reaches a tipping point past which it doesn't matter how many people would rather it remain how it is.)
 
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He(Beto) only mentioned Christians-would mosques and synagogues also be affected in his mind?( I see the article addresses that) I know that Islam and conservative Judaism also do not support same sex marriage. I don't think Beto thinks things through.
This is a huge topic in Canada as well. It persisted over the last two or three federal election cycles and two or three provincial cycles as well. There are no easy answers to this regarding which organisations should or should not get funding per see especially regarding religious education and related matters.

Look, already haven't some Catholic Institutions had to shut down because they refused to place children with same sex couples?
Interesting. I will look this up.
 
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Churches and monasteries are taxed in Egypt (for land/real estate value, as I understand it), yet they still remain open. It would certainly be a change in America, and many churches and related institutions would close, but I think we could adjust to it. (This is separate from the discussion of whether or not it should happen; I don't think it should, but this may be one of those losing battles like the same sex marriage thing where it reaches a tipping point past which it doesn't matter how many people would rather it remain how it is.)

If this were to happen, quite a few if not most Christian churches would complain, but they'd bow their heads, bleat obediently, and deal with it. It is a regrettable fact that Christianity does not have the moral or cohesive strength it did even 30 years ago.

However---the idea of mosques rolling over and paying punitive taxes to the government for not altering their beliefs and teachings to be in conformity with government demands is ludicrous. If this were instituted, Detroit, Minneapolis, and everywhere else there's a Muslim majority would absolutely explode.
 
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However---the idea of mosques rolling over and paying punitive taxes to the government for not altering their beliefs and teachings to be in conformity with government demands is ludicrous. If this were instituted, Detroit, Minneapolis, and everywhere else there's a Muslim majority would absolutely explode.

Christians form a clear majority of most major US cities (San Francisco is the outlier, unsurprisingly), including Detroit and Minneapolis.

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Christians form a clear majority of most major US cities (San Francisco is the outlier, unsurprisingly), including Detroit and Minneapolis.

Yes, and being the majority still didn't cause them to prevent the legalization of same-sex "marriage", now, did it? What makes you think that preventing the revoking of tax-exemption status will be any different? ;)
 
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Yes, and being the majority still didn't cause them to prevent the legalization of same-sex "marriage", now, did it? What makes you think that preventing the revoking of tax-exemption status will be any different? ;)

Pardon? That was meant to be a correction of the poster's statement that Detroit and Minneapolis somehow have Muslim majorities (they do not).
 
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Pardon? That was meant to be a correction of the poster's statement that Detroit and Minneapolis somehow have Muslim majorities (they do not).
My bad. Apologies.
 
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I have to say, I am not helping others in their walk with God when I say I struggle with "hatred" for Kamala Harris. That smirk on her face she sometimes has, it makes my blood boil. I don't want others to follow my example, but I just can't stand her either.
It requires a great deal of discipline to love all the people we are supposed to love. We keep trying.
 
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