Hey they are right! climate change is entirely natural!

Yes humans are part of the ecosystem of the planet and not some unnatural beings from a supernatural dimension. So whether or not humans have anything to do with the climate's newest amount of change the current changes are natural occurrences. All the climate changes that have occurred incessantly over the course of the planet's history have been natural occurrences even those tied to meteor strikes as meteors are naturally occurring things.

Microclimates are not climates. They are localized atmospheric anomalies not in any way analogous to an actual climate.

Nithavela said:

How do you like droughts?

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The average annual rainfall in Kentucky is 46", last year we had 72. What are you even talking about?

The climate changes, that's what it does. There is no static climate... it has ALWAYS changed and ALWAYS will. This movement is for political purposes only. Otherwise... the people pushing it wouldn't be destroying their own message by flying private jets and buying mansions on the beachfront!

Ken Rank said:

The average annual rainfall in Kentucky is 46", last year we had 72. What are you even talking about?

The climate changes, that's what it does. There is no static climate... it has ALWAYS changed and ALWAYS will. This movement is for political purposes only. Otherwise... the people pushing it wouldn't be destroying their own message by flying private jets and buying mansions on the beachfront!

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We had a drought the last 2 years in germany.

You could say everything alive affects the climate in some way. Still doesn't make climate change a man made phenomenon.

Kaon said:

...However, if you want to get serious it is not the layperson contributing to global warming - the first to blame would be the corporations that fund and run the largest pollution and transportation vessels.

But, they are too big to handle right? You would rather believe the layperson that can't even afford to pay off credit cards is the one causing the global change? How absolutely, asininely naive to tell someone - completely ignoring the reality.


Make those entities dismantle the ships that produce more pollution than all the cars in Europe, or stop being part of the controlled opposition by telling the layperson they are the cause of global warming - it is a gross deception. Let's grow a pair as the human race, think critically, and stop telegraphing ridiculous charges at each other while at the same time ignoring the truth.

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Whose consumer demand is it that those large corporations are making big bucks from satisfying? Do you think that if the layperson disappeared, those corporations could continue to make money?

For most of human history the various factors that influence global climate have been in balance. Here I include the various natural cycles that science has discovered over the last few decades. Until about 200 years ago human influence in this balance has been minimal. All that changed with the dawn of the industrial revolution. Since then, year by year by year, industrial pollution has grown exponentially to the point where it has become a major factor. I recall a few years ago reading a claim that human caused air pollution was only a fraction of that caused by volcanism. That was not true then and it is worse today. Volcanic emissions actually amount to only 1% of industrial emissions. We have reached and passed the tipping point. The balance is gone. Global warming is a clear and present reality and we are part of it and we need to do something about it.

Ken Rank said:

There is no static climate... it has ALWAYS changed and ALWAYS will.

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The problem is humans changing it faster than it changes naturally. And when it comes to climate, only bad things happen quickly.

pitabread said:

The problem is humans changing it faster than it changes naturally. And when it comes to climate, only bad things happen quickly.

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Or things can be bad simply because they happen quickly. Most fruit trees require a sufficiently long and cold winter to set fruit. If things warm up just a little that does not happen and the trees won't set fruit. No big deal if it happens over a few decades, we just plant new trees. No problem even without people if it takes a century or two.

But if it happens in a dozen years it is a problem and a worse problem if the trend continues and by the time new trees planted for the new conditions have matured enough to bear significant fruit it is to late because with continued warming they don't get enough chill hours.

Goonie said:

(So long as you accept the actions of humanity are part of nature)

seriously humanity affects the climate, this is an established fact. If you doubt it compare the climate of cities and the countryside.

and folks its getting warmer. And the Sun is not responsible.

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And plants love Co2. One community college measured the "biomass" of 10 cubic feet of soil, 10 feet down. The measured and actual increase in active bio-mass of 3 fold in one year.

pitabread said:

The problem is humans changing it faster than it changes naturally. And when it comes to climate, only bad things happen quickly.

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Because of humans, it changes faster.....naturally. In Milwaukee we have 20-30 degree temperature swings every spring and fall. People rarely die from it.

Nithavela said:

How do you like droughts?

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And floods which decimate crops.

Nithavela said:

We had a drought the last 2 years in germany.

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Yes, that is what happens. And soon we will have one and you will have more rain than you want. Cycles... that all this is. And like I said... when the major players in this "movement" are pitching that the world is dying because of man's actions, but then they drive large vehicles and fly in private jets.... or claim the oceans are rising but then buy million dollar beachfront homes... I stop listening to them.

Ken Rank said:

Yes, that is what happens. And soon we will have one and you will have more rain than you want. Cycles... that all this is. And like I said... when the major players in this "movement" are pitching that the world is dying because of man's actions, but then they drive large vehicles and fly in private jets.... or claim the oceans are rising but then buy million dollar beachfront homes... I stop listening to them.

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Maybe we should be more worried about methane gas, even though it's all natural.

Researchers have been paying close attention to Siberian greenhouse gas emissions. Gas locked inside Siberia's frozen soil and under its lakes has been seeping out since the end of the last ice age 10,000 years ago.

The Associated Press reported in 2010 that, in the past few decades, as the Earth has warmed, the icy ground has begun thawing more rapidly, accelerating the release of methane — a greenhouse gas 23 times more powerful than carbon dioxide — at a perilous rate.
'Boiling' sea discovered in Siberia, stunning scientists

Hank77 said:

Maybe we should be more worried about methane gas, even though it's all natural.

Researchers have been paying close attention to Siberian greenhouse gas emissions. Gas locked inside Siberia's frozen soil and under its lakes has been seeping out since the end of the last ice age 10,000 years ago.

The Associated Press reported in 2010 that, in the past few decades, as the Earth has warmed, the icy ground has begun thawing more rapidly, accelerating the release of methane — a greenhouse gas 23 times more powerful than carbon dioxide — at a perilous rate.
'Boiling' sea discovered in Siberia, stunning scientists

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Hank... look... there is nobody who knows EXACTLY what the temperature was 2000 years ago, 4000 years ago, etc. What we do know is that we had a mini-ice age from 1450-1850 (ish) and we have been warming up ever since. At some point, that will stop and we will cool off again. It's how it works... and certain political factions that seek to control the economy are using our ignorance to scare us into submission. I won't submit, I don't fear this nor man.. I fear God. Christians should not be worries about global warning save for that final warm up that the sinners will take part in.

Lazarus Short said:

Well...here is the data. Note that the Roman Warming is colder than the Minoan Warming, that the Medieval Warming is colder than the Roman Warming, and our present "warming," which everyone is so worried about, is barely above the averaged data line. Note also the overall long-term decline in temperature.View attachment 264896

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That is local data from the middle of the Greenland ice sheet, not global data. Also note that it ends 95 years before present, and that before present in all geological data means before 1950, not 2000 as the graph says. So it ends in 1855 and a lot has happened since then.

Goonie said:

(So long as you accept the actions of humanity are part of nature)

seriously humanity affects the climate, this is an established fact. If you doubt it compare the climate of cities and the countryside.

and folks its getting warmer. And the Sun is not responsible.

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I am still freezing cold....

SkyWriting said:

And plants love Co2. One community college measured the "biomass" of 10 cubic feet of soil, 10 feet down. The measured and actual increase in active bio-mass of 3 fold in one year.

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I think you'll find it's not quite as simple as that:

Ken Rank said:

I won't submit, I don't fear this nor man.. I fear God. Christians should not be worries about global warning save for that final warm up that the sinners will take part in.

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I always find it amazing how people will use religion as a way to abdicate responsibility.

Herman Hedning said:

That is local data from the middle of the Greenland ice sheet, not global data. Also note that it ends 95 years before present, and that before present in all geological data means before 1950, not 2000 as the graph says. So it ends in 1855 and a lot has happened since then.

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Granted, but make this your takeaway - notice how the green averaged line slopes down? Yes, the long-term future looks colder.