2 "Parousias" according to Partial Preterism......

BABerean2 said:

Mat_12:28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.

Based on the verse above, the kingdom of God came before 70 AD.

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It also came in 70AD, along with their redemption...........

Luke 21:
20 Whenever yet ye may be perceiving being compassed by armies/hosts, Jerusalem, then be ye knowing that has-neared/hggiken <1448> (5758) the Desolating of Her.
28 Beginning yet these-things to be becoming<1096>, up-bend ye! and lift-up! the heads of ye, thru-that is nearing the redemption<629> of ye. [from OC corrupt 1st century Priesthood/Temple]
31“So you also, when you see these things happening, know that the kingdom of God is near.

Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized
Matt 24:33 Nigh is upon doors, Kingdom of God

Luke uses "Kingdom of God" instead of "nigh at the doors".

Perhaps inferring that it was the Kingdom of God that was nigh at the doors?

Matthew 24:33 Thus also ye whenever ye may being seeing all these,
be ye knowing! that nigh it is being upon doors.

Mark 13:29 thus also ye, whenever ye may be seeing these becoming,
be knowing! that nigh, it is being upon doors.

Luke 21:31 Thus also ye, whenever ye may be seeing these becoming,
ye are knowing that nigh is being the Kingdom of the God;

Andrewn said:

It sure did. But before 66 AD, Caiaphas and others didn't see Jesus "seated at the right hand of Power and coming with the cloud of heaven."

Mar 14:62 "I am," said Jesus, "and you will see the Son of Man seated at the right hand of Power and coming with the clouds of heaven."

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Indeed.
Have you and/or others seen this thread on a 70ad parousia of Jesus in the 1st century?

Matt 26:64 High Priest "ye shall be seeing Son of Man upon clouds of the heaven"

Matt 26:
63 Yet Jesus was silent.
And the high priest answering said to Him, “I am putting under oath<1844> Thee according of the living God that to us Thou may be saying if Thou are being the Christ, the Son of the God.”
64 “Jesus is saying to him "thou say”.
“Moreover I am saying to ye, from present ye shall be seeing the Son of the Man sitting out of the rights of the Power and coming upon the clouds of the heaven.
65 Then the High Priest rents his garments saying that..............
Mark 14:
61 But Jesus was silent and not answers nothing.
Again the high priest questioned Him and is saying to Him, “Thou are being the Christ, the Son of the God, the Blessed One?”
62 Yet Jesus said “I AM"
“and ye shall be seeing the Son of the Man sitting out of the rights of the Power and coming with the clouds of the heaven.”
63 The yet High Priest rent his clothes...............................
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Jesus, the Son of Man, was LITERALLY Seen in the Clouds in A.D. 66 - Revelation Revolution

A Preterist View of the Second Coming–“You will see the Son of Man . . . coming on the Clouds of Heaven”: The Second Coming is recorded in Roman History.

An eerily similar event is recorded to have occurred in Iyyar of A.D. 66 at the start of the worst war in Israel’s history, Israel’s war with Rome:
[O]n the twenty-first day of the month of Artemisius [Jyar], a certain prodigious and incredible phenomenon appeared; I suppose the account of it would seem to be a fable, were it not related by those that saw it, and were not the events that followed it of so considerable a nature as to deserve such signals; for, before sunsetting, chariots and troops of soldiers in their armor were seen running about among the clouds, and surrounding of cities.1
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A Realized Eschatological View of the Parousia–The Parousia Described: According to Acts 9:3-6 and Revelation 1:13-16, Jesus’ Resurrection Body was Further Glorified after His Ascension into Heaven such that it Beamed with Radiance like Blazing Fire. Thus Jesus’ Body took on a Form similar to that of the Angels of Heaven according to 2 Kings 6:17, 2 Corinthians 11:14 and Matthew 28:2-3.
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BABerean2 said:

Joh 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.
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Finish.......................

Strong's Concordance with Hebrew and Greek Lexicon
G5055 τελέω (teleō), occurs 30 times in 26 verses [8 verses in Revelation]

John 19:30 - Then when Jesus took the sour wine<3690>, He said, “It hath been finished<5055>!” And reclining His head, He gives up Spirit.

Matthew 10:23 “Whenever they may be persecuting ye in this City, be fleeing to another.
For amen I am saying to ye, not no ye should be finishing<5055> the cities of Israel till of which may be coming the Son of Man

Luk 18:31
Then He took the twelve aside and said to them, “Behold, we are going up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of Man will be accomplished<5055>.

Act 13:29 “Now when they had finished<5055> all that was written concerning Him, they took Him down from the tree/wood and laid Him in a tomb.

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Acts 1:8 But ye will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you, and ye will be My witnesses in Jerusalem and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.”

Revelation 11:
3 and I will give to My two witnesses, and they shall prophesy days, a thousand, two hundred, sixty, arrayed with sackcloth;

7 - And whenever they should be finishing<5055> their testimony, the beast ascending out of the abyss, shall be doing battle with them and shall be conquering them and shall be killing them.

Revelation 15:8 And the Sanctuary is replete<1072> of smoke out of the Glory of the God and from His power,
and no one was able to enter the Sanctuary till should be being finished<5055> the seven blows/stripes of the seven Messengers.

ewq1938 said:

That didn't happen in AD70 either. There was no second coming back then and hasn't been one to this day. We are awaiting the next coming ever since he Ascended into heaven.

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Josephus appears to think there was...............

JOSEPHUS, OLIVET DISCOURSE AND BOOK OF REVELATION

Was Flavius Josephus familiar with the Apocalypse of John?

John's Revelation - “And there were noises and thundering and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such a mighty and great earthquake as had not occurred since men were on the earth.” (16:18)

Josephus - “for there broke out a prodigious storm in the night, with the utmost violence, and very strong winds, with the largest showers of rain, with continued lightnings, terrible thunderings, and amazing concussions and bellowings of the earth, that was in an earthquake. These things were a manifest indication that some destruction was coming upon men, when the system of the world was put into this disorder; and any one would guess that these wonders foreshowed some grand calamities that were coming” (“Wars of the Jews” 4:4:5) John's
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Josephus Parallels? Revelation 16:19 and Wars of the Jews 5:1:1

Revelation - "Now the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell. And great Babylon was remembered before God, to give her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of His wrath.” (16:19)

Josephus - “it so happened that the sedition at Jerusalem was revived, and parted into three factions, and that one faction fought against the other; which partition in such evil cases may be said to be a good thing, and the effect of divine justice.” (5:1:1)
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Josephus Parallels? Revelation 16:21 and Wars of the Jews 5:6:3

John's Revelation - “And great hail from heaven fell upon men, each hailstone about the weight of a talent.” (16:21)

Josephus - “Now the stones that were cast were of the weight of a talent, and were carried two furlongs and further. The blow they gave was no way to be sustained, not only by those that stood first in the way, but by those that were beyond them for a great space. As for the Jews, they at first watched the coming of the stone, for it was of a white color, and could therefore not only be perceived by the great noise it made, but could be seen also before it came by its brightness;” (5:6:3)...................

Josephus and Luke 21:11 "fearful signs in heaven/sky" 1st century pre 70AD


Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized
Matt 24:7-8 , nation, kingdom against nation, kingdom; quaking, famines

Matthew 24:
7 “For shall be being roused/raised<1453> nation against nation, and kingdom against kingdom.And there will be famines, pestilences, and quakings in various places.
Mark 13:
8 For shall being roused/raised<1453> nation against nation, and kingdom against kingdom.
And shall be being quakings various places, and there shall be being famines and disturbances<5016>........
Luke 21:
10 Then He said to them, “shall be being roused/riaised<1453> Nation against nation, and kingdom against kingdom,
11 Great quakings and famines and pestilences<3061> in various places.
They shall be being fearful-things<5400> as<5037>
also shall be being great signs from heaven.”
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The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD
Proof that Matthew 24 was fully fulfilled in 70 AD!
Also see: Rapture refuted

PREFACE
History records few events more generally interesting than the destruction of Jerusalem, and the subversion of the Jewish state, by the arms of the Romans. -- Their intimate connexion with the dissolution of the Levitical economy, and the establishment of Christianity in the world ; the striking verification which they afford of so many of the prophecies, both of the Old and New Testament, and the powerful arguments of the divine authority of the Scriptures which are thence derived ; the solemn warnings and admonitions which they hold out to all nations, but especially such as are favoured with the light and blessings of REVELATION ; together with the impressive and terrific grandeur of the events themselves -- are circumstances which must always insure to the subject of the following pages more than ordinary degrees of interest and importance. Many eminent and learned men have employed their pens in the illustration of it ; but the fruits of their labours are, for the most part, contained in large and expensive works, out of the reach of numbers, to whom the discussion might prove equally interesting and improving. For the use and gratification of such, the present Treatise, in a more accessible and familiar form, is diffidently offered to the public. In order that it might be better adapted for the general reader, critical inquiries and tedious details are equally avoided ; but it has been the care of the writer not to omit any important fact or argument that, in his opinion, tended to elucidate the subject. Countenanced by the example of many respectable names, he has ventured to introduce the extraordinary prodigies, which, according to Josephus, preceded the destruction of the Holy City. He has also added a few sentences in their defense, but he does not intend thereby to express his unqualified admission of their genuineness.

Upon the execution of the tract, generally, the public will determine. Usefulness is the writer's main object ; and if a perusal of it shall contribute, under the DIVINE BLESSING, to confirm the wavering faith of only one Christian, or to shake the vain confidence of a single Unbeliever, his labour will be abundantly rewarded.
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Our Lord proceeded, "And fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven." [6]- Josephus has collected the chief of these portents together, and introduces his account by a reflection on the strangeness of that infatuation, which could induce his countrymen to give credit to impostors, and unfounded reports, whilst they disregarded the divine admonitions, confirmed, as he asserts they Were, by the following extraordinary signs :

1. "A meteor, resembling a sword, [7] hung over Jerusalem during one whole year." This could not be a comet, for it was stationary, and was visible for twelve successive months. A sword too, though a fit emblem for destruction, but ill represents a comet.

2. "On the eighth of the month Zanthicus, (before the feast of unleavened bread) at the ninth hour of the night, there shone round about the altar, and the circumjacent buildings of the temple, a light equal to the brightness of the day, which continued for the space of half an hour." This could not be the effect of lightning, nor of a vivid aurora borealis, for it was confined to a particular spoil and the light shone unintermittedly thirty minutes.

3. "As the High Priest were leading a heifer to the altar to be sacrificed, she brought forth a lamb, in the midst of the temple." Such is the strange account given by the historian. Some may regard it as a "Grecian fable," while others may think that they discern in this prodigy a miraculous rebuke of Jewish infidelity and impiety, for rejecting the ANTITYPICAL Lamb, who had offered Up Himself as an atonement, "once for all," and who, by thus completely fulfilling their design, had virtually abrogated the Levitical sacrifices.

However this may be, the circumstances of the prodigy are remarkable. It did not occur in an obscure part of the city, but in the temple ; not at an ordinary time, but at the passover, the season of our LORD'S crucifixion in the presence, not of the vulgar merely, but of the High Priests and their attendants, and when they were leading the sacrifice to the altar.

4. "' About the sixth hour of the night, the eastern gate of the temple was seen to open without human assistance." When the guards informed the Curator of this event, he sent men to assist them in shutting it, who with great difficulty succeeded. -- This gate, as hath been observed already, 'Was of solid brass, and required twenty men to close it every evening. It could not have been opened by a "strong gust of wind," or a slight earthquake;" for Josephus says, it was secured by iron bolts And bars, which were let down into a large threshold; consisting of one entire stone." [8]

5. "Soon after the feast of the Passover, in various parts of the country, before the Setting of the sun, chariots and armed men were seen in the air, passing round about Jerusalem." Neither could this portentous spectacle be occasioned by the aurora borealis, for it occurred before the setting of the sun ; or merely the fancy of a few villagers, gazing at the heavens, for it was seen in various parts of the country.

6. "At the subsequent feast of Pentecost, while the priests were going, by night, into the inner, temple to perform their customary ministrations, they first felt, as they said, a shaking, accompanied by an indistinct murmuring, and afterwards voices as of a multitude, saying, in a distinct and earnest manner, "LET US DEPART HENCE." This gradation will remind the reader of that awful transaction, which the feast of Pentecost *as principally instituted to commemorate.

First, a shaking was heard ; this would naturally induce the priests to listen : an unintelligible murmur succeeds; this would more powerfully arrest their attention, and while it was thus awakened arid fixed, they heard, says Josephus, the voices as of a multitude, distinctly pronouncing the words "LET US DEPART HENCE." -- And accordingly, before the period for celebrating this feast returned, the Jewish war had commenced, and in the space of three years afterwards, Jerusalem was surrounded by the Roman army, the temple converted into a citadel, and its sacred courts streaming with the blood of human victims.

7. As the last and most fearful omen, Josephus relates that one Jesus, the son of Ananus, a rustic of the lower class, during the Feast of Tabernacles, suddenly exclaimed in the temple,"A voice from the east a voice from the west -- a voice from the four winds- a voice against Jerusalem and the temple -- a voice against bridegrooms and brides -- a voice against the whole people !"

These words he incessantly proclaimed aloud both day and night, through all the streets of Jerusalem, for seven years and five months together, commencing at a time (A. D. 62) when the city was in a state of peace, and overflowing with prosperity, and terminating amidst the horrors of the siege.

This disturber, having excited the attention of the magistracy, was brought before Albinus the Roman governor, who commanded that he should be scourged. But the severest stripes drew from him neither tears nor supplications. As he never thanked those who relieved, so neither did he complain of the injustice of those who struck him. And no other answer could the governor obtain to his interrogatories, but his usual denunciation of "Woe, woe to Jerusalem !" which he still continued to proclaim through the city, but especially during the festivals, when his manner became more earnest, and the tone of his voice louder.

At length, on the commencement of the siege, he ascended the walls, and, in a more powerful voice than ever, exclaimed, "Woe, woe to this city, this temple, and this people !" And then, with a presentment of his own death, added," Woe, woe to myself "' he had scarcely uttered these words when a stone from one of the Roman engines killed him on the spot.