Peter the Rock / Protestant and Catholic

Is Peter The Rock of the Church?

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tapping out? Ok. God Bless
not at all, i'm waiting on you to answer my question. "go find out what keys meant for david" is not an answer to the question.

if you're gonna give me the same answer then you tapped out.
 
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This is the thing about claiming there is a Pope and leader over the whole Christian church to decide the law for everyone. And I'm not going to cite doctrine. Instead I speak of judging others, and setting unjust (unbiblical) rules to judge them by. I cannot accurately claim how severely this applies to Catholics, since I do not know how strictly that church enforces such restrictions on members, and then ostracizes members who don't comply with its rules and teachings.

But if it's like the religion I used to agree with, then it acts against the way of Christ. This applies to any religion not just the Catholic Church. And as I said I don't know if this comparison fits the Catholic church. But my old religion would kick you out of the church if you:
Vote;
Run for political office;
Support the armed forces in any way;
Do construction or cleaning work on a military base or denominational church not its own;
Visit any other church denomination's services;

Agree with any other denominational church teaching that contradicts its teaching on the subject;

Fail to agree with almost anything it taught;
Say the flag salute;
Take a blood transfusion, even if you'll die without one;
Let your child take a blood transfusion, even if they die without one;
Join the YMCA

This is just a start on their list, but it makes my point.

I leave it to Christ to judge everyone. I won't claim all Catholics are judged adversely. Is there any man who claims to fully understand every scripture? But do you see by studying my list why Christ most likely will not take people as part of his church that judge people and ostracize them simply for not complying with those things on my list, or similar things? The Bible does not prohibit any of those things. Men decided to prohibit them. Why would Christ trust men who act like that to judge the world with him? One man given absolute power is likely to act as my old church.

One qualification for an elder states, if he cannot take care of his own household, then how can he be trusted to take care of a Christian congregation-he doesn't qualify to be appointed. And if he cannot take proper care of a Christian congregation, but instead judges members like the Jews judged Christ, then how will Christ take him into his church to judge the world? The same idea applies to bodies of elders, not just the single pope.
 
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I'll say it slowly for texting K-E-Y-S

Every Bible scholar I know and every Bible teacher I have had all say the say thing.

In Matthew 16:19 Christ says,...….
“And I will give unto you the keys of the kingdom of heaven…”

The “keys” He is referring to here is symbolic language meaning that He gives His ministers the knowledge of how to enter the kingdom. This knowledge shows the way of life a Christian must follow in order to achieve salvation.

Luke 11:52 shows Christ reproving certain lawyers for hiding or suppressing this knowledge, thus preventing themselves and others from entering the kingdom.

Continuing in Matt. 16:19--
“…and whatsoever you shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever you shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven…”.

Some will say that this verse gives men the power or authority to change what God has said in the Bible. This is absolutely not the case! No man can change what God has said! The true ministers of God have been given the authority to bind only that which is in agreement with God’s laws. That, then, would be backed up—bound—by God. When God’s ministers make a decision, it is based on Scripture—based on God’s will.

But this in no way is giving ministers the power to forgive sin. Only God can and does that (Mark 2:7). God does give ministers the ability to discern when a person has repented of certain sins, thus concluding that God has forgiven them.
Please explain Matthew 16:18-19.
 
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you obviously did not look up what Keys meant in the Davidic Kingdom. Stick with you man made traditions and dont follow scripture. Like the saying goes, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.

Now that is really funny!
 
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No. 'THE' Rock, as Jesus rightly said.

Its there in black and white buddy.

God bless you

Do you actually believe that Christ would place Peter above all others seeing that Peter denied even knowing Christ 3 times in one evening. Not once. Not twice. But 3 times.

The only Apostle that was with Jesus was not Peter at the cross.

Again, how do you think that Peter could be the 1st Pope seeing that he was a married man?

Second, The Roman Catholic Church teaches that one must be baptized in order to be saved. However, there is no Biblical record of Peter being baptized. I am not saying he wasn't, just that there is no record of it.
 
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No. 'THE' Rock, as Jesus rightly said.

Its there in black and white buddy.

God bless you

Not really my friend. What is there is what you have been told by the RCC. With just a little time it is very easy to do the exegesis of the Scripture in question.

First of all, when we look at the Greek of Matthew 16:18, we see something that is not obvious in the English---------
"...you are Peter (πέτρος, petros) and upon this rock (πέτρα, petra) I will build My church...".

In Greek nouns have gender. It is similar to the English words actor and actress. The first is masculine, and the second is feminine. Likewise, the Greek word "petros" is masculine; "petra" is feminine.

Peter, the man, is appropriately referred to as Petros. But Jesus said that the rock he would build his church on was not the masculine "petros" but the feminine "petra."

Let me illustrate by using the words "actor" and "actress:...…….
"You are the actor; and with this actress, I will make my movie."

Do see that the gender influences how a sentence is understood? Jesus was not saying that the church will be built upon Peter but upon something else.

  • Deut. 32:4, "The Rock! His work is perfect, for all His ways are just; a God of faithfulness and without injustice."
  • 2 Sam. 22:2-3, "The Lord is my rock and my fortress and my deliverer; 3 My God, my rock, in whom I take refuge."
  • Psalm 18:31, "And who is a rock, except our God."
  • Isaiah 44:8, "Is there any God besides Me, or is there any other Rock? I know of none."
  • Rom. 9:33, "Behold, I lay in Zion a stone of stumbling and a rock of offense, and he who believes in Him will not be disappointed."
It should be obvious from the Word of God that the rock Jesus was referring to was not Peter--but himself.
Is Peter the rock on which the Church is built? | CARM.org
 
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Do you actually believe that Christ would place Peter above all others seeing that Peter denied even knowing Christ 3 times in one evening. Not once. Not twice. But 3 times.

The only Apostle that was with Jesus was not Peter at the cross.

Again, how do you think that Peter could be the 1st Pope seeing that he was a married man?

Second, The Roman Catholic Church teaches that one must be baptized in order to be saved. However, there is no Biblical record of Peter being baptized. I am not saying he wasn't, just that there is no record of it.

Jesus came to save sinners buddy.

He was married, yes! Well spotted. Nothing wrong with that.

Look up why the Catholic church decided that Bishops and priests should be unmarried.

Of course, that could yet change! Who knows.

Is there anything in the Bible that says Peter was not baptised?
 
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Not really my friend. What is there is what you have been told by the RCC. With just a little time it is very easy to do the exegesis of the Scripture in question.

First of all, when we look at the Greek of Matthew 16:18, we see something that is not obvious in the English---------
"...you are Peter (πέτρος, petros) and upon this rock (πέτρα, petra) I will build My church...".

In Greek nouns have gender. It is similar to the English words actor and actress. The first is masculine, and the second is feminine. Likewise, the Greek word "petros" is masculine; "petra" is feminine.

Peter, the man, is appropriately referred to as Petros. But Jesus said that the rock he would build his church on was not the masculine "petros" but the feminine "petra."

Let me illustrate by using the words "actor" and "actress:...…….
"You are the actor; and with this actress, I will make my movie."

Do see that the gender influences how a sentence is understood? Jesus was not saying that the church will be built upon Peter but upon something else.

  • Deut. 32:4, "The Rock! His work is perfect, for all His ways are just; a God of faithfulness and without injustice."
  • 2 Sam. 22:2-3, "The Lord is my rock and my fortress and my deliverer; 3 My God, my rock, in whom I take refuge."
  • Psalm 18:31, "And who is a rock, except our God."
  • Isaiah 44:8, "Is there any God besides Me, or is there any other Rock? I know of none."
  • Rom. 9:33, "Behold, I lay in Zion a stone of stumbling and a rock of offense, and he who believes in Him will not be disappointed."
It should be obvious from the Word of God that the rock Jesus was referring to was not Peter--but himself.
Is Peter the rock on which the Church is built? | CARM.org

Wrong!

Peter, Rock. Cephas, Rock.

Jesus knew what He was doing old buddy.

Peter showed Jesus his true faith. Thus, Jesus made Peter 'The Rock' on which 'His' church would be built. Fact!

Read it and weep.

Its there in black and white old buddy. :oldthumbsup::oldthumbsup::oldthumbsup:
 
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Every Bible scholar I know and every Bible teacher I have had all say the say thing.
looks like you are hanging out in the wrong crowd. Every Jew knows what the Keys mean/meant. You new novel ideas are traditions of men. I follow Jesus/scripture while you follow men.
 
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Then Why would you have that silly doctrine?
we dont. You are mis informed.

That what happens most on this forum, people THINK they know what the Church teaches yet in reality they know nothing despite Her teachings being available for all to read.
 
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