Beto threatens tax-exempt status of churches if they don't support gay marriage

LizaMarie · Oct 12, 2019

Chrystal-J said:
I wonder if the bible will ever be a banned book in the US.

At the rate we are going very possible.

LizaMarie · Oct 12, 2019

chevyontheriver said:
That Beto is the only one who actually said it does not mean he is the only one for it. I'm sure Beto had a momentary surge in fundraising because of his statement. And the rest will be asked to fall in line or forgo some funding from the shapers of the Democratic Party. In other words, I think Beto's position will coalesce into the required Democratic Party position for 2020. The smart contestants will say just enough to indicate they are holding that position but not enough to alienate the middle of America.

It would be a disaster policy to follow. A political disaster if it was public enough for middle America to figure out. A financial disaster if once elected they actually did it, messing with universities and hospitals and charitable institutions collapsing. But maybe there is the opportunity for socialism to step in and assume those collapsed institutions. I'm not sure they have thought it all through. But I don't think the current Democratic Party cares a bit about electability or about what such a thing would do to the economy. They need to virtue signal in all of the right areas. Thus Beto's 'yes' and thus how every one of them will loudly or quietly agree with him.

He(Beto) only mentioned Christians-would mosques and synagogues also be affected in his mind?( I see the article addresses that) I know that Islam and conservative Judaism also do not support same sex marriage. I don't think Beto thinks things through.
Thankfully he doesn't stand much chance of being the nominee, but yes, I agree, he's not the only one that wants it.

Rhamiel · Oct 12, 2019

Remember “what does it effect you if two men want to marry?”

The goal of gay marriage was never just to let to men marry, the goal was always te destruction of Christian institutions/society

Gnarwhal · Oct 12, 2019

That tool has been polling at or below 1% for months, I'm not worried about him. At this point he's just the DNC's village idiot who keeps blowing their cover and giving the game plan away to their opponents.

chevyontheriver · Oct 12, 2019

LizaMarie said:
He(Beto) only mentioned Christians-would mosques and synagogues also be affected in his mind?( I see the article addresses that) I know that Islam and conservative Judaism also do not support same sex marriage. I don't think Beto thinks things through.
Thankfully he doesn't stand much chance of being the nominee, but yes, I agree, he's not the only one that wants it.

Maybe he would only selectively apply it to Christian institutions that did not endorse the full monty of LGBTQWERTY beliefs. Who knows. Adoption agencies that do not place children with that crowd have already been shut down in numerous cities.

Hillary said we would need to be re-educated to get rid of beliefs that did not suit her. It's a deep seated undercurrent among Democratic Party leaders that they need to change us.

Gnarwhal · Oct 12, 2019

chevyontheriver said:
It's a deep seated undercurrent among Democratic Party leaders that they need to change us.

And to that I say:

Lady Bug · Oct 12, 2019

Fenwick said:
That tool has been polling at or below 1% for months, I'm not worried about him. At this point he's just the DNC's village idiot who keeps blowing their cover and giving the game plan away to their opponents.

I don't know...if Warren or Biden or Sanders go down in the polls, it's Kamala and Pete just below them in the polls, and then maybe Beto, so I don't know if we're really out of the woods.

Gnarwhal · Oct 12, 2019

Lady Bug said:
I don't know...if Warren or Biden or Sanders go down in the polls, it's Kamala and Pete just below them in the polls, and then maybe Beto, so I don't know if we're really out of the woods.

That's a big "if" though. Sanders is probably the only one to dip in the polls and that will be in part to the uncertainty about his health after this heart attack he had. Warren and Biden have been pretty steady this whole time.

Wolseley · Oct 12, 2019

Reason #758,643 Why Wolseley Will Never Vote For a Democrat.

chevyontheriver · Oct 12, 2019

Chrystal-J said:
I wonder if the bible will ever be a banned book in the US.

Here's how it would go. Multi-pronged attack.

Some day a big online bookseller like Amazon announces they will no longer sell books that are not LGBT compliant. No such book may move through the portal. Most other secular online booksellers will be pressured to do the same. Eventually the brick and mortar secular booksellers will comply as well. That will leave only religious booksellers selling Bibles.

Another prong is to sue religious booksellers if they don't hire LGBT staff. Lawsuits have been used against florists and bakers so why not booksellers and book publishers. Sue them out of existence.

Push the narrative that the Bible is homophobic and unfit to even be owned by polite people. Have Bibles removed from libraries for the same reason. Have community Bible burning parties.

No need to actually search your home for a Bible. Just prevent their sale and make people think the Bible is a vile book that should be gotten rid of. If that isn't fast enough, then we could also get the Hillary re-education camps.

LizaMarie · Oct 12, 2019

chevyontheriver said:
Here's how it would go. Multi-pronged attack.

Some day a big online bookseller like Amazon announces they will no longer sell books that are not LGBT compliant. No such book may move through the portal. Most other secular online booksellers will be pressured to do the same. Eventually the brick and mortar secular booksellers will comply as well. That will leave only religious booksellers selling Bibles.

Another prong is to sue religious booksellers if they don't hire LGBT staff. Lawsuits have been used against florists and bakers so why not booksellers and book publishers. Sue them out of existence.

Push the narrative that the Bible is homophobic and unfit to even be owned by polite people. Have Bibles removed from libraries for the same reason. Have community Bible burning parties.

No need to actually search your home for a Bible. Just prevent their sale and make people think the Bible is a vile book that should be gotten rid of. If that isn't fast enough, then we could also get the Hillary re-education camps.

Realistic scenario. Which is why I’m continuing to stock my library now with print books both for that reason you mentioned and in case. The power goes out.

HardHead · Oct 12, 2019

Counter scenario: Beto gets paired up with one of the front-runners and is on a ticket as VP.

Also a counter scenario: Trump dumps Pence and runs on a ticket with his daughter as VP, thereby setting her up for a credible run for POTUS in the next round.

Gnarwhal · Oct 12, 2019

If any of the candidates are going to run on the ticket with the nominee, it'll probably be Booker or Harris. They tick more of the intersectional boxes than Beto.

HardHead · Oct 12, 2019

Fenwick said:
They tick more of the intersectional boxes than Beto.

I reject your reality and substitute my own.

All kidding aside, in any case all of this is speculation.

Whomever you elect in the USA, I hope the best for you. It looks like it will be interesting to watch as it unfolds. Its quite dramatic.

In Canada the process is much more toned down, and its much shorter: its completed in a matter of a few weeks not over a year or more.

I voted today in our federal elections. I always go to early voting to avoid the lines after work on actual voting day (October 21 this time). Once I walked in today, it took less than five minutes.

Most people seem to be suggesting that Singh is taking votes from Justin, and that Scheer is strangely scary. May seems credible as per usual.

Any thoughts on this? I'm guessing a minority government.

There is no spoon.

Wolseley · Oct 12, 2019

HardHead said:
In Canada the process is much more toned down, and its much shorter: its completed in a matter of a few weeks not over a year or more.

I wish it was here, as well. Believe me, we Yanks are not thrilled with these 18-month circuses either. They only ones who revel in them are the politicians, and the State Organs of Propaganda.....I mean, the mainstream media. If we could whittle it down to even six months, it would help immeasurably.

HardHead · Oct 12, 2019

Wolseley said:
If we could whittle it down

This time its about five weeks here. The last time it was over seventy or eighty days and it was considered too long. I agree with curtailing the process to be shorter since it less wasteful of financial resources.

They (whoever that is) are also limiting third-party spending even more now (so that there are no equivalents to a Super PAC), as well as strong limits on corporate and union donations. There are ways around these limits relative to timing of TV adds etc, but its not anything like in the USA from what I can see.

To be fair, Canada has about 1/10 the population of the USA, so if you scale up the five weeks by ten times to allow for reasonable contact with voters for each campaign, the duration times are perhaps not all that different from a certain point of view.

Shorter is better though.

AvilaSurfer · Oct 13, 2019

I’ve long said there should be HUGE fines for anyone who campaigns more than a year out.

HardHead · Oct 13, 2019

AvilaSurfer said:
fines for anyone

... and for those who are not real persons (corporations/organizations) that spend to influence real persons (humans) ...

LizaMarie · Oct 13, 2019

HardHead said:
Counter scenario: Beto gets paired up with one of the front-runners and is on a ticket as VP.

Also a counter scenario: Trump dumps Pence and runs on a ticket with his daughter as VP, thereby setting her up for a credible run for POTUS in the next round.

That would not be wise and he knows that, I hope. He would possibly lose support among evangelicals and conservative Catholics. I personally do not care for Ivanka I think she is pro-choice among other things. Plus the optics would be bad. I think he will keep Pence, unless Pence quits. He says he won't.
I think likely pairings for the Dems will be: Biden/Warren, or Warren/Harris. Sanders/Harris.

chevyontheriver · Oct 13, 2019

LizaMarie said:
That would not be wise and he knows that, I hope.

I think the short term fundraising gain potential for him is high. He's in the forefront of virtue signalling among the elites that are shaping the Democratic Party. Now the rest of them have to play virtue signalling catch-up.

He would possibly lose support among evangelicals and conservative Catholics.

He wouldn't get more than ten votes from evangelicals anyway. And conservative Catholics have mostly left the Democratic Party long ago over abortion, so he wouldn't get more than ten votes from them either. He will gain support within the left wing of a left wing party, and this does increase his slim chance of being the nominee.

The main Democratic Party plan is to impeach. Failing actually succeeding at that it is to make Trump unelectable. If they convince enough people that 'Orange man bad' then they win. It doesn't matter how leftist they are if they turn enough people from Trump. Then we get yet another lurch to the left like we got with Obama, but probably bigger.

Full disclosure. I'm not a Trumpist. Nor do I suffer from Trump Derangement Syndrome. Not that we have the option any more, but I will look for centrist pro-life candidates and vote for them over the fringes that the two big parties represent.

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