The Reprobate Doctrine

Daniel C · Oct 12, 2019

Saint Steven said:
The text doesn't even say that.

The only thing that is reprobate (depraved) is their mind. Even your survey question asks that. A "reprobate mind".

Repentance is a change of mind. Away from depravity toward God. Yet you seem to claim that God would be unforgiving and unmerciful toward them. Is that your claim? Who is this god you have created? A god that withholds mercy and forgiveness? Is that the God we worship? (nope)

Romans 1:28 NIV
Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done.

Romans 1:28 KJV
And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

Forgive me but this sounds foolish ''The only thing that is reprobate (depraved) is their mind'' well once the mind is reprobate the person is shot through I would think.

And this rebellion against Gods will you are displaying is not very Christ like in my opinion. Saying things like ''A god that withholds mercy and forgiveness?'' or God doesn't predestine people to a reprobate to a reprobate mind etc. Well God does what he choices with his creation and I would ask who are you to challenge him?

The heathen asks questions just like that:''Why would a loving God create a hell? Why does God allow suffering?'' Well I expect a greater level of submission from Christians who don't challenge God but accept his authority without rebellion.

His says he gives them over to a reprobate mind and I believe he gives them over to a reprobate mind. I'll go even further than that,that yes they do deserve to be rejected because of the vile affections they choose,like being a sodomite.

Saint Steven · Oct 12, 2019

Daniel C said:
Semantics steven. Trying to tap dance around the definition of the key words only distracts us all from the bigger picture. Paul writes a whole page for us to draw from. I say reprobate is rejected. If you can't accept this and appeal to heathen meanings that would be your choice. I am not prepared to argue with you over this secondary issue page after page.

That's ridiculous.

1) You have failed confirm your definition.
2) The term you are defining is not even in the scripture you are misusing as a proof-text.
3) You falsely accuse me of using a "heathen" definition. Whatever that means. Certainly meant as an insult, for which I forgive you.
4) You have limited sources to Romans chapter one for your argument because they will not stand to the whole message of the bible.
5) You wish to create an echo chamber where only agreeing voices can be heard. So you can glad-hand each other.

On the other hand you are correct in saying that you are not prepared to argue with me. Kudos.

Saint Steven · Oct 12, 2019

Daniel C said:
Forgive me but this sounds foolish ''The only thing that is reprobate (depraved) is their mind'' well once the mind is reprobate the person is shot through I would think.

Hopefully you will change your mind. If that is possible. - lol

Saint Steven · Oct 12, 2019

Daniel C said:
And this rebellion against Gods will you are displaying is not very Christ like in my opinion.

Rebellion against God's will? It is God's will that EVERYONE come to repentance. Which I have said repeatedly.

Daniel C · Oct 12, 2019

Saint Steven said:
Rebellion against God's will? It is God's will that EVERYONE come to repentance. Which I have said repeatedly.

If you're talking about this:

''The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.''

It say's he doesn't want us to perish but it doesn't say it's his will for all to be saved,otherwise we would all be saved because Gods will is stronger than Mankinds.

Saint Steven · Oct 12, 2019

Daniel C said:
His says he gives them over to a reprobate mind and I believe he gives them over to a reprobate mind. I'll go even further than that,that yes they do deserve to be rejected because of the vile affections they choose,like being a sodomite.

I asked you earlier if you read Romans chapter two. Which begins with the word "therefore" in the first verse. Meaning it is a direct reference to Romans chapter one. Especially that last part of the chapter about the reprobate mind. This is written for you. Notice how it echoes what I have been saying all along. This is where the Apostle indicates that the reprobate will be forgiven.

Romans 2:1-5
You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge another, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things. 2 Now we know that God’s judgment against those who do such things is based on truth. 3 So when you, a mere human being, pass judgment on them and yet do the same things, do you think you will escape God’s judgment? 4 Or do you show contempt for the riches of his kindness, forbearance and patience, not realizing that God’s kindness is intended to lead you to repentance? 5 But because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God’s wrath, when his righteous judgment will be revealed.

Saint Steven · Oct 12, 2019

Daniel C said:
If you're talking about this:

''The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.''

It say's he doesn't want us to perish but it doesn't say it's his will for all to be saved,otherwise we would all be saved because Gods will is stronger than Mankinds.

How do you know that we will not ALL be saved?

1 Corinthians 15:22
For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.

Romans 5:18
Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people,
so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people.

Romans 11:32
For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.

Colossians 1:20
and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.

1 Timothy 2:4
who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth.

1 John 2:2
He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.

Saint Steven · Oct 12, 2019

Daniel C said:
The heathen asks questions just like that:''Why would a loving God create a hell? Why does God allow suffering?'' Well I expect a greater level of submission from Christians who don't challenge God but accept his authority without rebellion.

Heathen? - lol
What a monstrously prejudicial label to put on those for whom Christ died. Is this supposed to elevate "the saved" to some superior class of people that look down on "unbelievers"? Shameful to even use such a bigoted term.

Romans 2:1
You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge another, you are condemning yourself...

Daniel C · Oct 12, 2019

Saint Steven said:
I asked you earlier if you read Romans chapter two. Which begins with the word "therefore" in the first verse. Meaning it is a direct reference to Romans chapter one. Especially that last part of the chapter about the reprobate mind. This is written for you. Notice how it echoes what I have been saying all along. This is where the Apostle indicates that the reprobate will be forgiven.

Romans 2:1-5
You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge another, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things. 2 Now we know that God’s judgment against those who do such things is based on truth. 3 So when you, a mere human being, pass judgment on them and yet do the same things, do you think you will escape God’s judgment? 4 Or do you show contempt for the riches of his kindness, forbearance and patience, not realizing that God’s kindness is intended to lead you to repentance? 5 But because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God’s wrath, when his righteous judgment will be revealed.

"Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.

2 But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things.

3 And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?

4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?

5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;

6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:"

Haters of God turned over to a reprobate mind.

Daniel C · Oct 12, 2019

Saint Steven said:
How do you know that we will not ALL be saved?

Because I've read the Bible.

Saint Steven · Oct 12, 2019

Daniel C said:
"Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.

2 But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things.

3 And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?

4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?

5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;

6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:"

Haters of God turned over to a reprobate mind.

Romans 2:1
... at whatever point you judge another, you are condemning yourself...

Daniel C · Oct 12, 2019

Saint Steven said:
Heathen? - lol
What a monstrously prejudicial label to put on those for whom Christ died. Is this supposed to elevate "the saved" to some superior class of people that look down on "unbelievers"? Shameful to even use such a bigoted term.

Romans 2:1
You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge another, you are condemning yourself...

Heathen is a Biblical term and as a matter of fact yes I do think I'm more valuable to God than reprobates and non-believers.

Saint Steven · Oct 12, 2019

Daniel C said:
Because I've read the Bible.

I showed you six scriptures that say otherwise.
Did you rip those verses out of your Bible?

1 Corinthians 15:22
For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.

Romans 5:18
Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people,
so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people.

Romans 11:32
For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.

Colossians 1:20
and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.

1 Timothy 2:4
who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth.

1 John 2:2
He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.

Daniel C · Oct 12, 2019

Saint Steven said:
Romans 2:1
... at whatever point you judge another, you are condemning yourself...

Steven you're using a fake Bible version AND editing the scripture.

Come on now.

Saint Steven · Oct 12, 2019

Daniel C said:
Heathen is a Biblical term and as a matter of fact yes I do think I'm more valuable to God than reprobates and non-believers.

That reminds me of someone. Text below.

Is that how you excuse bigotry and prejudice? Shameful.
It's an archaic term not used in modern translations.

Luke 18:11
The Pharisee stood by himself and prayed: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other people—robbers, evildoers, adulterers—or even like this tax collector.

Saint Steven · Oct 12, 2019

Daniel C said:
Steven you're using a fake Bible version AND editing the scripture.

Come on now.

A "fake" Bible?
Does it give the "fake" good news? - lol
And you accuse me of "editing" the Bible. Wow.

Daniel C · Oct 12, 2019

Saint Steven said:
That reminds me of someone. Text below.

Is that how you excuse bigotry and prejudice? Shameful.
It's an archaic term not used in modern translations.

Luke 18:11
The Pharisee stood by himself and prayed: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other people—robbers, evildoers, adulterers—or even like this tax collector.

Well I reject "modern" versions because they are corrupt.

Steven why you so angry?

Saint Steven · Oct 12, 2019

Daniel C said:
Well I reject "modern" versions because they are corrupt.

Steven why you so angry?

I suppose you are a KJV only type? Do you think that isn't corrupted?
Why do you think I am angry?

Daniel C · Oct 12, 2019

Saint Steven said:
I suppose you are a KJV only type? Do you think that isn't corrupted?
Why do you think I am angry?

Yes I am KJV only and I have no idea why you are angry. Is it because you're not getting your own way?

Saint Steven · Oct 12, 2019

Daniel C said:
Yes I am KJV only and I have no idea why you are angry. Is it because you're not getting your own way?

I'm not angry. Just in strong disagreement with you. I have already told you why.

1) You have failed confirm your definition.
2) The term you are defining is not even in the scripture you are misusing as a proof-text.
3) You falsely accuse me of using a "heathen" definition. Whatever that means. Certainly meant as an insult, for which I forgive you.
4) You have limited sources to Romans chapter one for your argument because they will not stand to the whole message of the bible.
5) You wish to create an echo chamber where only agreeing voices can be heard. So you can glad-hand each other.

The Reprobate Doctrine

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