Eucharistic Adoration and Orthodoxy?

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The question becomes - how did the early Church (truly the early church) interpret Scripture and practice their faith? If we rely primarily on ourselves, we will deviate. In this case, in the early Church (before the Edict of Milan), priests would take extra consecrated Eucharist to their homes to bring to the infirm, bedridden, etc. After the Edict, it was stored in a special place - the tabernacle - following the same pattern @nutroll mentioned above about the double portion of manna. The purpose reflects the purpose of OT tabernacle - as it foreshadows theIt has a Biblical connection and follows the same pattern as many things that have their prototype in the OT.

(Now it is important to note that we aren’t saying that Jesus is “more” in the tabernacle than other places. He isn’t constrained to any place or structure).

One - that was good. Two - I love that you use before Edict of Milan for the early Church. I get really tired of some that talk like the 1200's were the early Church.
 
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I asked one of my Catholic friends about this once back in my Lutheran days when we would debate things such as this until 3 in the morning lol. If I remember correctly, he was pretty certain that the host in the monstrance is consumed by the priest after the period of adoration/benediction is over, but he wasn't certain how that worked in situations of "perpetual adoration" chapels where they always have the reserved Eucharist in a monstrance.

I wonder who's closer to the Orthodox - Catholics, or good, conservative Lutherans?
 
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I wonder who's closer to the Orthodox - Catholics, or good, conservative Lutherans?
Probably depends on the specific doctrine you are looking at. There are some pretty big differences between Lutherans and Orthodox, even with conservative ones like the LCMS.

Did you ever look at Orthodoxy in America to see if there is an Orthodox Church nearby which you could visit?
 
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I wonder who's closer to the Orthodox - Catholics, or good, conservative Lutherans?

Just in regards to the Eucharist? I've forgotten too much of Luther's Small Catechism (8th grade religion class, at a Lutheran School.. soo September '75 to June '76), to comment...
In regards to their theologies as a whole.. neither. Both are firmly rooted in the Augustinian view of Original Sin, just for starters....
 
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I wonder who's closer to the Orthodox - Catholics, or good, conservative Lutherans?
Conservative Lutherans believe in Penal Substitution, Sola Scriptura, and have been influenced by Evangelical Culture in the US.
 
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all in all, I would say the closest to us (aside from the Non-Chalcedonians) would be a conservative Methodist.
Which one? Because the Free Methodist church my father goes to seems like a non-denominational one.
 
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Probably depends on the specific doctrine you are looking at. There are some pretty big differences between Lutherans and Orthodox, even with conservative ones like the LCMS.

Did you ever look at Orthodoxy in America to see if there is an Orthodox Church nearby which you could visit?

I found one - and called the priest. Seemed like a nice guy an was will to drive the hour and 20 minutes away to see me.

I just don't know that I can do that every Sunday. And the bigger thing is i have 4 kids, 3 still in CCD classes, and I teach one of the classes. Does not leave me open for much. But I'm at a unique point where I am only teaching what I think is OK, and avoiding much of the other stuff.

I hate to resign mid-year, but the struggle is getting harder. And my wife is a cradle Catholic, and I doubt she'll ever consider moving. She can't get her head around the idea that a priest could be married.
 
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I hate to resign mid-year, but the struggle is getting harder. And my wife is a cradle Catholic, and I doubt she'll ever consider moving. She can't get her head around the idea that a priest could be married.

But I thought Catholics were big on the concept of "suffering for the faith"? <------- Single guy humor :D
 
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and that many of the early priest-saints were married.

I have presented the Biblical case for married priests, which is clear, and that clergy, including popes, were married, for the first 1,000 years. When people were taught, under pressure, their whole life something, it's hard to change.

I have had this discussion with multiple Catholics - and it's something how they deny Scripture and history so easy, for the "traditions of men".
 
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I found one - and called the priest. Seemed like a nice guy an was will to drive the hour and 20 minutes away to see me.

I just don't know that I can do that every Sunday. And the bigger thing is i have 4 kids, 3 still in CCD classes, and I teach one of the classes. Does not leave me open for much. But I'm at a unique point where I am only teaching what I think is OK, and avoiding much of the other stuff.

I hate to resign mid-year, but the struggle is getting harder. And my wife is a cradle Catholic, and I doubt she'll ever consider moving. She can't get her head around the idea that a priest could be married.
Could you try Vespers sometime? Maybe twice a month - or even once to start?

Prayers for you. I know it is tough. I wasn’t married yet, but going to an Orthodox Church when I was living with my very devout Pentecostal family was difficult and hard. It’s not easy, and I’m sure with a spouse and children it is even more difficult. I do recommend visiting with the priest though, especially since he will drive down, and also attend a vespers sometime. Maybe you could come to the Church earlier Saturday afternoon and visit with the priest before the service.
 
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I have presented the Biblical case for married priests, which is clear, and that clergy, including popes, were married, for the first 1,000 years. When people were taught, under pressure, their whole life something, it's hard to change.

I have had this discussion with multiple Catholics - and it's something how they deny Scripture and history so easy, for the "traditions of men".

isn't it also true that if a married Anglican or Lutheran becomes an RC priest, that they can stay married?
 
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I wonder who's closer to the Orthodox - Catholics, or good, conservative Lutherans?
Sorry - been out of town and not checking this.

I go back and forth in my mind on that specific question. I'd actually disagree that Original Sin is an issue between Orthodox and Lutherans: when the Lutherans sent the Augsburg Confession to Constantinople in the 16th century, Patriarch Jeremias II wrote back accepting the segment on original sin as being accurate (on the other hand, Rome rejected the Lutheran view of Original Sin!).

Eucharistic views - Lutheran doctrine is pretty similar to Orthodox.

Penal substitution - Lutherans generally emphasize this, but they do also recognize other theories like Christus Victor and even Theosis to an extent.

Sola Scriptura - Lutherans do teach this, but differently from your typical evangelical/mainline protestant. It's a lot more like the Anglican view, and there is very certainly a high regard and respect towards tradition and the Church Fathers.

Evangelical Culture - yes Lutherans have been influenced by this. But so have the Orthodox, in my (admittedly limited) experience with Orthodoxy.

I think the biggest difference between Lutherans and the Orthodox is Ecclesiology, hands down. That came up repeatedly in my inquiry process, in personal reading, in conversations with Orthodox priests and my Lutheran pastors.
 
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