PURPOSE OF HEALING MINISTRIES

Si_monfaith · Oct 9, 2019

Anguspure said:
Coming to God in relationship, with our family by our side. Why not?
If our faith is weak then perhaps it'll be strengthened by the encounter Him and one of our family holding our hand.

That He rose fromn the dead for the forgivness of sin is a basic level of faith but other ramifications are perhaps not fully understood by a person. He is patient and kind.

Anguspure said:
Coming to God in relationship, with our family by our side. Why not?

Without faith?

Anguspure said:
If our faith is weak then perhaps it'll be strengthened by the encounter Him and one of our family holding our hand.

Faith is strengthened by your family holding your hand or through knowing Him by hearing His word about Christ (Romans 10:17:"So faith comes from what is heard, and what is heard comes through the word of Christ)?

Anguspure said:
That He rose fromn the dead for the forgivness of sin is a basic level of faith but other ramifications are perhaps not fully understood by a person.

What do you mean by ramifications?

Anguspure · Oct 9, 2019

Si_monfaith said:
Without faith?

As I stated above, faith is the basic element of any healthy relationship. YHWH defines His relationship with Him as one founded on trust in Him.

Faith is strengthened by your family holding your hand or through knowing Him by hearing His word about Christ (Romans 10:17:"So faith comes from what is heard, and what is heard comes through the word of Christ)?

Yes, and always in relationship with both Him and our family.
We are part of a body, grafted into a vine. We are not isolated individuals and the outworking of our trust in Him is in our relationship with the Body.

What do you mean by ramifications?

Salvation from the penalty for sin is only one aspect of what Yeshua acheived by His death and ressurection. Other ramifications of His sacrifice include, the right to become children of YHWH, authority in spiritual realms, the gift of His Spirit, and physical healing is another.

Si_monfaith · Oct 9, 2019

Anguspure said:
As I stated above, faith is the basic element of any healthy relationship. YHWH defines His relationship with Him as one founded on trust in Him.

Yes, and always in relationship with both Him and our family.
We are part of a body, grafted into a vine. We are not isolated individuals and the outworking of our trust in Him is in our relationship with the Body.

Salvation from the penalty for sin is only one aspect of what Yeshua acheived by His death and ressurection. Other ramifications of His sacrifice include, the right to become children of YHWH, authority in spiritual realms, the gift of His Spirit, and physical healing is another.

Anguspure said:
and our family

Si_monfaith said:
Faith is strengthened by your family holding your hand or thr

Does faith come from His word or from the family?

Anguspure said:
the right to become children of YHWH, authority in spiritual realms, the gift of His Spirit, and physical healing is another.

All these come through faith or apart from faith in His sacrifice?

Anguspure · Oct 9, 2019

Si_monfaith said:
Does faith come from His word or from the family?

All of the above as well as through direct relatiinship with Him. Faith grows when faithfulness is experienced.

All these come through faith or apart from faith in His sacrifice?

Through trusting in Him and His sacrifice. But faith is not some abstract fluid flowing from a pipeline or electricity that powers. It is a word that expresses our trust in Him. One has little faith and so only trusts Him for salvation, but after a time in relationship with Him they come to trust Him more and more, and understand what it is that He sacrificed for.

Si_monfaith · Oct 9, 2019

Anguspure said:
All of the above as well as through direct relatiinship with Him. Faith grows when faithfulness is experienced.

Through trusting in Him and His sacrifice. But faith is not some abstract fluid flowing from a pipeline or electricity that powers. It is a word that expresses our trust in Him. One has little faith and so only trusts Him for salvation, but after a time in relationship with Him they come to trust Him more and more, and understand what it is that He sacrificed for.

Anguspure said:
All of the above as well

Is there a Bible verse which says faith comes through the family apart from the word of Christ?

Anguspure said:
Faith grows when faithfulness is experienced.

Whose faithfulness? Bible verse?

Anguspure said:
One has little faith and so only trusts Him for salvation, but after a time in relationship with Him they come to trust Him more and more, and understand what it is that He sacrificed for.

So you mean faith grows as we grow in knowledge of Him?

Anguspure · Oct 9, 2019

Si_monfaith said:
Is there a Bible verse which says faith comes through the family apart from the word of Christ?

Christ is the Word, and it is His Spirit that dwells within each of us.
So there is no such thing as "family apart from the Word ". He is in Us and we are in Him.

Let us hold unswervingly to the hope we profess, for he who promised is faithful. And let us consider how we may spur one another on toward love and good deeds, not giving up meeting together, as some are in the habit of doing, but encouraging one another—and all the more as you see the Day approaching. Hebrews 10

Just as a body, though one, has many parts, but all its many parts form one body, so it is with Christ. For we were all baptized by c one Spirit so as to form one body—whether Jews or Gentiles, slave or free—and we were all given the one Spirit to drink. Even so the body is not made up of one part but of many....Now you are the body of Christ, and each one of you is a part of it. And God has placed in the church first of all apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healing, of helping, of guidance, and of different kinds of tongues. Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Do all work miracles? Do all have gifts of healing? Do all speak in tongues? Do all interpret? 1 Corinthians 12

But since we belong to the day, let us be sober, putting on faith and love as a breastplate, and the hope of salvation as a helmet. For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ. He died for us so that, whether we are awake or asleep, we may live together with him. Therefore encourage one another and build each other up, just as in fact you are doing. 1 Thessalonians 5

Whose faithfulness? Bible verse?

The faithfullness of whoever you are in relationship with. This is a basic principle of any healthy relationship.

In the case of Yeshua, as we encounter His faithfulness, whether through what He has done for others or what He has done for us this should cause us to trust Him today with even more than we did yesterday.

Of course if that relationship damaged, so is the trust.

So you mean faith grows as we grow in knowledge of Him?

Yes, because He is faithfull. But Christianese aside it is a simple matter of relationship of one person with another.

SavedByGrace3 · Oct 10, 2019

Si_monfaith said:
You mean to say WOF'ers do not believe?

Yes... that is certainly true. We hold fast to the confession. We profess the word. When we get the revelation in our spirits, then we do believe.
As I said... for whatever reason, belief is not there. It is not a condemnation to say that. It is merely an observation. If you believe you get, if you do not get, it is because, for whatever reason you are not believing. |
Now many people want to make this a matter of "judging" or "condemnation." It really is not. We do not know why some do not have the revelation which results in belief. It just is. We could have a sit down with God and ask why an individual does not... but I suspect He would say "Mind your business and I will mind mine. You have enough on your own plate. "
I think that is a valid answer.

SavedByGrace3 · Oct 10, 2019

I come to a place in discussions where I know it is fruitless and time to back out. Before it reaches this:

1 Tim 6
3 If any man gives different teaching, not in agreement with the true words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and with the teaching which is in agreement with true religion,
4 He has an over-high opinion of himself; being without knowledge, having only an unhealthy love of questionings and wars of words, from which come envy, fighting, cruel words, evil thoughts,

I know myself well enough to say I don't want to go there. So peace and take care what you say to each other. A hard lesson for me to learn!!

Si_monfaith · Oct 11, 2019

SavedByGrace3 said:
Yes... that is certainly true. We hold fast to the confession. We profess the word. When we get the revelation in our spirits, then we do believe.
As I said... for whatever reason, belief is not there. It is not a condemnation to say that. It is merely an observation. If you believe you get, if you do not get, it is because, for whatever reason you are not believing. |
Now many people want to make this a matter of "judging" or "condemnation." It really is not. We do not know why some do not have the revelation which results in belief. It just is. We could have a sit down with God and ask why an individual does not... but I suspect He would say "Mind your business and I will mind mine. You have enough on your own plate. "
I think that is a valid answer.

SavedByGrace3 said:
We do not know why some do not have the revelation which results in belief

Do you mean to say teaching the word of Christ according to Romans 10:17, isn't sufficient for WOF'ers to receive the revelation, enough to believe for complete healing?

now faith · Oct 12, 2019

Si_monfaith said:
Without digressing can you be on topic & answer, if you have an answer?

Simone as a member, you need to function in a way that shows our kindness toward people seeking to understand our faith.
Even a Adventist can learn Here.

Si_monfaith · Oct 12, 2019

now faith said:
Simone as a member, you need to function in a way that shows our kindness toward people seeking to understand our faith.
Even a Adventist can learn Here.

Without digressing, can you show kindness and answer the question if you have an answer?

now faith · Oct 12, 2019

Si_monfaith said:
Without digressing, can you show kindness and answer the question if you have an answer?

Deductive reasoning.
Seeking the motive for the question.
Wondering why in one Fourm a person would say their from India,and in another Australia.
What would you think the motive for that would be?
A change of V.P.N.?

Si_monfaith · Oct 12, 2019

now faith said:
Deductive reasoning.
Seeking the motive for the question.
Wondering why in one Fourm a person would say their from India,and in another Australia.
What would you think the motive for that would be?
A change of V.P.N.?

The question is: Are all completely healed in the WOF movement to which I belong? If not, what's the reason?

now faith · Oct 13, 2019

Si_monfaith said:
The question is: Are all completely healed in the WOF movement to which I belong? If not, what's the reason?

If I answered yes they are, you have made no provisions for a question as to why all would be healed in the Word of Faith Movement.
You have made the statement , by ommiting another possible outcome.
So I believe this is a rhetorical question.

now faith · Oct 13, 2019

Si_monfaith said:
Without digressing, can you show kindness and answer the question if you have an answer?

I personally am not under any circumstances that , would obligate me to provide a answer to a rhetorical question.

If a person is asking questions because the have a serious illness,
Then most certianly myself and others here would pray in agreement by Faith that God's promises will never fail.
We would pray knowing that healing is promised in both old and new Coveanut with God.

Si_monfaith · Oct 18, 2019

now faith said:
If I answered yes they are, you have made no provisions for a question as to why all would be healed in the Word of Faith Movement.
You have made the statement , by ommiting another possible outcome.
So I believe this is a rhetorical question.

What possible outcome?

Si_monfaith · Oct 28, 2019

now faith said:
I personally am not under any circumstances that , would obligate me to provide a answer to a rhetorical question.

If a person is asking questions because the have a serious illness,
Then most certianly myself and others here would pray in agreement by Faith that God's promises will never fail.
We would pray knowing that healing is promised in both old and new Coveanut with God.

now faith said:
I personally am not under any circumstances that , would obligate me to provide a answer to a rhetorical question.

Do you mean to say you don't have an answer?

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