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theoneandonlypencil :) you are holy. You are in right standing with the Father because you believe in Jesus. Thats what HIS word says. Righteousness does not come by what you do. Is what the word says. The flesh was not changed when we were born again. So we all fight this kind of thing. Fear is not of God. That means these feelings and thoughts are NOT FROM GOD but the enemy to steal your joy.

See were not faithful.. we are not righteous in our selfs in what we do. GOD is faithful to what Christ already did. God see you RIGHTEOUS and HOLY because you believe in Jesus. Were in this race.. so when you fall repent.. get up dust off and keep going. DONT focus on SIN...focus on Him on the good things of God. If you never read the bible again.. Hes loves you never left and still happy still has arms open.. still holding you. You never go to church. On and on. No matter what you do.. He will never left. Satan comes to kill steal and destroy.

Christ is not against you. He does not judge you nor condemn you :) YEAH! You look into those eyes.. so deep .....and you feel this love for you thats so great you can't grasp it. And you fall to you knees.. you know all the things you never did for Him.. all the sin....but.. why is He picking you up.. holding you and never letting go? Its like He won't look at all the wrong you do. HE LOVES YOU! He died for you sin. We are not free to sin. But haha...Hes not like man. And you know that man can say "I LOVE YOU" in one breath and then lie and leave. Yet.. not HIM! After all you have done.. YOUR the reason He came.. and sis He is NEVER LEAVING YOU! Yeah.. what He started in you.. HE WILL FINISH! And put on GODS armor.. rest in HIS peace.. have HIS joy.. its all HIM!

Focus on HIM! All the good things He has done. its hard not to walk by how we feel and to walk only by what He said. And its hard to when we hear different things from so many Christians. John.. is a good book to read over and over.. KNOW not by how you feel or have done or do.. but KNOW He loves you.. His LOVE is not based on what you did do or will do. He died alone on that cross. He left heaven because HE will not let YOU GO! He made all this for YOU! As if your the only one. HOW He does this I don't know.. but Hes the GOD so..

Your set free. FORGIVE your self. What ever you have done.. repent..KNOW He will NEVER remember it.. forgive others. :) you are the daughter of a GOD! And this GOD? Will NEVER EVER EVER EVER let you go!


Ahhh your post almost moved me to tears. Such beautiful and inspiring words! Thank you so very much & may God bless you abundantly(and everyone else who's taken the time to help me through this)<3333
 
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Thank you so very much for the helpful & kind words!<3 As important as it is to bear good fruits and be aware of the problem concerning lukewarm believers in this day and age, I truly believe I've been focusing on the wrong things here and I should spend all of that extra energy praising God; not worrying about whether or not I'll burn forever because someone cussed in a movie I watch XD
Here, Here! I second your motion! ... worry a little less about it all and just avoid going too crazy about it or being tempted to take walks on "the wild side." Besides, it's not as if God is just waiting for you to mess up so He can casually flick you off of a cliff into a fiery abyss. No, that's not the Lord we serve. :cool:
 
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Hi there everyone!

I just made my account to this forum, specifically, so I could get this off of my chest. I tend to ramble and have a hard time condensing my points, so please bear with me if this comes out too long.

Let me preface by saying that the past 2 or 3 years, I consider myself to have been a very 'lukewarm' Christian. Yes, I preached the Gospel and I was passionate about God when I did, but I was not always thinking about God and I fell into some bad habits. I swore, was surrounded with unbelievers, became very petty and argumentative at times, hated other people sometimes too, and engaged in some very...question online sexual behavior with someone I dated long distance for several years.

This past year was hard. I broke up with my ex to be with my best friend(someone I've had more unconditional and pure love for more than anyone I've met to date), several of my friends either left or betrayed me, and I was going in and out of depression. I hit rock bottom, and once I did, I realized how much I'd been neglecting my faith and how bad that had been for me. Up until that point, I thought I had been saved and that I could just say a quick prayer each night, evangelize here and there, avoid breaking the ten commandments and I would be peachy-keen.

After I realized all of this, I started spending hours every day reading different parts of scripture and reading debates about theology and morality, listening to sermon after sermon by all kinds of pastors from different denominations, learning about the denominations themselves, and overall trying to better myself as a Christian. Sure, it was hard sometimes. I'd hit a wall or point of uncertainty and think 'heck, it'd be so much easier to just give up on all of this' but you know? Being an atheist and believing in 'whatever goes, goes' would be 100 times scarier and more stressful than anything I could face as a Christian. I love God and I refused to give up, and each time even when I got to the point where I'd contemplate the unthinkable, I'd come out of it feeling better and stronger than ever.

I think I've matured more spiritually in the last month that I have in my entire life, and I've been sharing my knowledge with everyone I know. I thank God all of the time for the wonderful people in my life, for pulling me through the hard times, and for all of the gifts and talents he's given me(art, music, writing and programming to name a few). Heck, my current boyfriend was atheist before we started dating, and even he's become very dedicated to Christ and wanting to grow spiritually. On top of all that,I also have started looking for churches in my area and plan on getting baptized a second time(I was baptized as a baby, but I really want to have the memory/experience of it now so I can have it as long as I live as a testimony to my love of Christ)

Now then, that sounds all great right? Well, it would be, except if that's all I had to say, the title of this post would be very different.

Here's the problem; no matter how far I believe I've come as a Christian, I still feel like I'll end up in hell and it's making me spiritually exhausted. In particular, I've been wrestling with the fear of whether or not listening to secular media or watching TV is a sin. Because if it is indeed a sin, and I don't repent--I'll go to hell, yes? I mean I don't consider anything I watch or listen to to be that bad. I have a high tolerance for swearing and (sometimes?)violence but no nudity or sex scenes at all when it comes to movies(I really enjoy anime for example); and when it comes to music, so long as it's not talking about sex(I'm pretty 'eh' if it's only implied to an extent)and it's not encouraging debauchery or anything satanic, I consider it to be okay.

None of those things tempt me to sin, and to be quite honest even after reading scripture I've never felt as though I was being 'convicted' of anything by just seeing or hearing stuff like that. Like when it comes to movies, I have no problem if a character has an alcohol addiction/is promiscuous so long as it's present as the character's 'vice' and it's not glorifying that kind of behavior. The only time I've felt doubtful is when I read devout Christians talking about how 'even seeing or hearing something that God hates is a sin' and that all secular media is mindless garbage(which, granted, a lot of it is; but I don't consider what I enjoy to be in that group). I always try to look for the good in what I watch and listen to, or just take it in as an expression of how flawed humanity is.

I've already read most of the major scripture addressing these things(The psalm about 'setting no wicked thing before my eyes', the philippians litmus test, etc)and even if I try to apply those scriptures, for me personally I just didn't feel convicted outside of other people's opinions. It doesn't help that I've been enjoying a lot of Paul Washer's sermons, and while I agree with 99% of what he preaches, he REALLY seems like he would not approve of my taste in music or movies.

I guess I feel like if I don't match the holiness of the other people who believe these things, I'll lose my salvation or will be considered 'lukewarm'. I could give up any of these things, but I want to make sure it's because of GOD--not other people's opinions--if I can help it, since I really value having a, albeit reasonable, sense of Christian liberty. Even when people say 'it's okay, you won't go to hell' or 'it's fine to watch/listen to those things' part of me is also like what if they're wrong though? I understand we live in a day and culture where people do not respect God's word as they should, and like Paul Washer talks about there are lots more 'lukewarm' Christians than most of us probably believe.

Any advice would be appreciated. I'm really just sick over this because I truly want to be as good as I can while still enjoying a little bit of this life and I AM TERRIFIED of going to hell...and I know full well that God can and will send me there unless I act correctly.

Paul Washer may not be the best example of the Love that Jesus Christ of Nazareth demonstrated among all of us. Until you receive His Holy Spirit, you will always question your salvation. Just remember, there is peace with Him and not condemnation through His Holy Spirit.
Blessings
 
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Thank you so very much for the helpful & kind words!<3 As important as it is to bear good fruits and be aware of the problem concerning lukewarm believers in this day and age, I truly believe I've been focusing on the wrong things here and I should spend all of that extra energy praising God; not worrying about whether or not I'll burn forever because someone cussed in a movie I watch XD
Just remember to spend time with Jesus. Let Him hold you, surround you, and fill you with His love. Yes he wants us to grow and bear fruit - but stop struggling to do it yourself and allow His Holy Spirit to change you. Rejoice and be glad - because He loves you and you belong to Him. Whoever the Son sets free is free indeed!
 
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Sorry I haven't read all the responses, but my impression is that you are comparing your works against the works of others who seem more Holy in your estimation. You are feeling the Christian peer pressure to perform. There is a scripture that says that God prepares good works for us to do in advance. Ephesians 2:10. “For we are God's handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.” Have you refused to perform specific tasks knowing God expected you to comply?
Maybe ask God to give you a good work to do, then do it. It could be changing some old lady's tire, or buying dinner for homeless person or something more dramatic like a mission trip. If God is preparing us our works in advance I'm sure we will know when He is calling.
Thank God our salvation is a free gift and not earned.
 
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Hi there everyone!

I just made my account to this forum, specifically, so I could get this off of my chest. I tend to ramble and have a hard time condensing my points, so please bear with me if this comes out too long.

Let me preface by saying that the past 2 or 3 years, I consider myself to have been a very 'lukewarm' Christian. Yes, I preached the Gospel and I was passionate about God when I did, but I was not always thinking about God and I fell into some bad habits. I swore, was surrounded with unbelievers, became very petty and argumentative at times, hated other people sometimes too, and engaged in some very...question online sexual behavior with someone I dated long distance for several years.

This past year was hard. I broke up with my ex to be with my best friend(someone I've had more unconditional and pure love for more than anyone I've met to date), several of my friends either left or betrayed me, and I was going in and out of depression. I hit rock bottom, and once I did, I realized how much I'd been neglecting my faith and how bad that had been for me. Up until that point, I thought I had been saved and that I could just say a quick prayer each night, evangelize here and there, avoid breaking the ten commandments and I would be peachy-keen.

After I realized all of this, I started spending hours every day reading different parts of scripture and reading debates about theology and morality, listening to sermon after sermon by all kinds of pastors from different denominations, learning about the denominations themselves, and overall trying to better myself as a Christian. Sure, it was hard sometimes. I'd hit a wall or point of uncertainty and think 'heck, it'd be so much easier to just give up on all of this' but you know? Being an atheist and believing in 'whatever goes, goes' would be 100 times scarier and more stressful than anything I could face as a Christian. I love God and I refused to give up, and each time even when I got to the point where I'd contemplate the unthinkable, I'd come out of it feeling better and stronger than ever.

I think I've matured more spiritually in the last month that I have in my entire life, and I've been sharing my knowledge with everyone I know. I thank God all of the time for the wonderful people in my life, for pulling me through the hard times, and for all of the gifts and talents he's given me(art, music, writing and programming to name a few). Heck, my current boyfriend was atheist before we started dating, and even he's become very dedicated to Christ and wanting to grow spiritually. On top of all that,I also have started looking for churches in my area and plan on getting baptized a second time(I was baptized as a baby, but I really want to have the memory/experience of it now so I can have it as long as I live as a testimony to my love of Christ)

Now then, that sounds all great right? Well, it would be, except if that's all I had to say, the title of this post would be very different.

Here's the problem; no matter how far I believe I've come as a Christian, I still feel like I'll end up in hell and it's making me spiritually exhausted. In particular, I've been wrestling with the fear of whether or not listening to secular media or watching TV is a sin. Because if it is indeed a sin, and I don't repent--I'll go to hell, yes? I mean I don't consider anything I watch or listen to to be that bad. I have a high tolerance for swearing and (sometimes?)violence but no nudity or sex scenes at all when it comes to movies(I really enjoy anime for example); and when it comes to music, so long as it's not talking about sex(I'm pretty 'eh' if it's only implied to an extent)and it's not encouraging debauchery or anything satanic, I consider it to be okay.

None of those things tempt me to sin, and to be quite honest even after reading scripture I've never felt as though I was being 'convicted' of anything by just seeing or hearing stuff like that. Like when it comes to movies, I have no problem if a character has an alcohol addiction/is promiscuous so long as it's present as the character's 'vice' and it's not glorifying that kind of behavior. The only time I've felt doubtful is when I read devout Christians talking about how 'even seeing or hearing something that God hates is a sin' and that all secular media is mindless garbage(which, granted, a lot of it is; but I don't consider what I enjoy to be in that group). I always try to look for the good in what I watch and listen to, or just take it in as an expression of how flawed humanity is.

I've already read most of the major scripture addressing these things(The psalm about 'setting no wicked thing before my eyes', the philippians litmus test, etc)and even if I try to apply those scriptures, for me personally I just didn't feel convicted outside of other people's opinions. It doesn't help that I've been enjoying a lot of Paul Washer's sermons, and while I agree with 99% of what he preaches, he REALLY seems like he would not approve of my taste in music or movies.

I guess I feel like if I don't match the holiness of the other people who believe these things, I'll lose my salvation or will be considered 'lukewarm'. I could give up any of these things, but I want to make sure it's because of GOD--not other people's opinions--if I can help it, since I really value having a, albeit reasonable, sense of Christian liberty. Even when people say 'it's okay, you won't go to hell' or 'it's fine to watch/listen to those things' part of me is also like what if they're wrong though? I understand we live in a day and culture where people do not respect God's word as they should, and like Paul Washer talks about there are lots more 'lukewarm' Christians than most of us probably believe.

Any advice would be appreciated. I'm really just sick over this because I truly want to be as good as I can while still enjoying a little bit of this life and I AM TERRIFIED of going to hell...and I know full well that God can and will send me there unless I act correctly.
You must not compare yourself to others. It is good to admire others' examples as Christians, but that shouldn't cause you to be distressed of you feel like they are better than you. Their story is not your story, to quote C.S Lewis.

You've grown a lot but you aren't fully sanctified. Very, very few people become fully sanctified in this life. It takes a lifetime and lots of patience. God will gradually guide you to change you into who you are meant to be. That happens naturally as you dedicate yourself to Him daily.

The devil is sneaky. He uses our desire to please God against us, perverting it into envy of others' christian walks and being prideful. Being constantly ashamed is a symptom of our pride. Pray multiple times a day and meditate on the scriptures. Ask for God to bring you clarity; when you feel unworthy you can be tempted to not communicate with God as much. This slowly constricts our spiritual life and stops us from connecting with the Lord. Remember that your sin died on the cross, and be patient with yourself. The longer you are on your walk with Christ, the less you will desire unnecessary things that may not even be sinful, like tv. Let it happen naturally as you grow.
 
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quick advice.
You appear to be isolated and trying to do this alone.

It is a common problem. And indeed there are many people here on CF who are living isolated Christian lives.

It is a big mistake.
It is essential that you find a church where you can belong to a fellowship of believers. Likewise, it is not a good idea to rely upon your own interpretations of the Bible. You need the teaching of a pastor with good grounding in the Scriptures.

I recommend you actively seek a church in your area. It is not mission impossible. It is essential to resolve many of the problems you are having.

And NO, you are not going to hell. TO rebuild your relationship with God, become a part of an active church family.

Blessings!
 
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I'm not necessarily distressed by anything I do, as I said--I'm just scared I won't measure up to the other Christians and end up in hell. I'm scared of what THEY tell me is sin.

Thank goodness measuring up isn't what keeps us out of hell because nobody would make it. Hell is for those who reject Jesus, have you rejected Jesus?

You are saved by God's grace not because of anything you have or havn't done. Sin seperates us from God, any sin.

Romans:5-12Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned—

Jesus took our sin so that we may be brought blamless before God.
2 Corinthians:5-21 For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.

John 3:16
16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
 
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Hi there everyone!

I just made my account to this forum, specifically, so I could get this off of my chest. I tend to ramble and have a hard time condensing my points, so please bear with me if this comes out too long.

Let me preface by saying that the past 2 or 3 years, I consider myself to have been a very 'lukewarm' Christian. Yes, I preached the Gospel and I was passionate about God when I did, but I was not always thinking about God and I fell into some bad habits. I swore, was surrounded with unbelievers, became very petty and argumentative at times, hated other people sometimes too, and engaged in some very...question online sexual behavior with someone I dated long distance for several years.

This past year was hard. I broke up with my ex to be with my best friend(someone I've had more unconditional and pure love for more than anyone I've met to date), several of my friends either left or betrayed me, and I was going in and out of depression. I hit rock bottom, and once I did, I realized how much I'd been neglecting my faith and how bad that had been for me. Up until that point, I thought I had been saved and that I could just say a quick prayer each night, evangelize here and there, avoid breaking the ten commandments and I would be peachy-keen.

After I realized all of this, I started spending hours every day reading different parts of scripture and reading debates about theology and morality, listening to sermon after sermon by all kinds of pastors from different denominations, learning about the denominations themselves, and overall trying to better myself as a Christian. Sure, it was hard sometimes. I'd hit a wall or point of uncertainty and think 'heck, it'd be so much easier to just give up on all of this' but you know? Being an atheist and believing in 'whatever goes, goes' would be 100 times scarier and more stressful than anything I could face as a Christian. I love God and I refused to give up, and each time even when I got to the point where I'd contemplate the unthinkable, I'd come out of it feeling better and stronger than ever.

I think I've matured more spiritually in the last month that I have in my entire life, and I've been sharing my knowledge with everyone I know. I thank God all of the time for the wonderful people in my life, for pulling me through the hard times, and for all of the gifts and talents he's given me(art, music, writing and programming to name a few). Heck, my current boyfriend was atheist before we started dating, and even he's become very dedicated to Christ and wanting to grow spiritually. On top of all that,I also have started looking for churches in my area and plan on getting baptized a second time(I was baptized as a baby, but I really want to have the memory/experience of it now so I can have it as long as I live as a testimony to my love of Christ)

Now then, that sounds all great right? Well, it would be, except if that's all I had to say, the title of this post would be very different.

Here's the problem; no matter how far I believe I've come as a Christian, I still feel like I'll end up in hell and it's making me spiritually exhausted. In particular, I've been wrestling with the fear of whether or not listening to secular media or watching TV is a sin. Because if it is indeed a sin, and I don't repent--I'll go to hell, yes? I mean I don't consider anything I watch or listen to to be that bad. I have a high tolerance for swearing and (sometimes?)violence but no nudity or sex scenes at all when it comes to movies(I really enjoy anime for example); and when it comes to music, so long as it's not talking about sex(I'm pretty 'eh' if it's only implied to an extent)and it's not encouraging debauchery or anything satanic, I consider it to be okay.

None of those things tempt me to sin, and to be quite honest even after reading scripture I've never felt as though I was being 'convicted' of anything by just seeing or hearing stuff like that. Like when it comes to movies, I have no problem if a character has an alcohol addiction/is promiscuous so long as it's present as the character's 'vice' and it's not glorifying that kind of behavior. The only time I've felt doubtful is when I read devout Christians talking about how 'even seeing or hearing something that God hates is a sin' and that all secular media is mindless garbage(which, granted, a lot of it is; but I don't consider what I enjoy to be in that group). I always try to look for the good in what I watch and listen to, or just take it in as an expression of how flawed humanity is.

I've already read most of the major scripture addressing these things(The psalm about 'setting no wicked thing before my eyes', the philippians litmus test, etc)and even if I try to apply those scriptures, for me personally I just didn't feel convicted outside of other people's opinions. It doesn't help that I've been enjoying a lot of Paul Washer's sermons, and while I agree with 99% of what he preaches, he REALLY seems like he would not approve of my taste in music or movies.

I guess I feel like if I don't match the holiness of the other people who believe these things, I'll lose my salvation or will be considered 'lukewarm'. I could give up any of these things, but I want to make sure it's because of GOD--not other people's opinions--if I can help it, since I really value having a, albeit reasonable, sense of Christian liberty. Even when people say 'it's okay, you won't go to hell' or 'it's fine to watch/listen to those things' part of me is also like what if they're wrong though? I understand we live in a day and culture where people do not respect God's word as they should, and like Paul Washer talks about there are lots more 'lukewarm' Christians than most of us probably believe.

Any advice would be appreciated. I'm really just sick over this because I truly want to be as good as I can while still enjoying a little bit of this life and I AM TERRIFIED of going to hell...and I know full well that God can and will send me there unless I act correctly.

Two years ago I now realize that I was really lukewarm as well but I found that listening to this audio book over again several times helped me to become more zealous again.

I agree with you that Paul Washer is an astonishingly good preacher!



Here is part two:

 
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Hi there everyone!

I just made my account to this forum, specifically, so I could get this off of my chest. I tend to ramble and have a hard time condensing my points, so please bear with me if this comes out too long.

Let me preface by saying that the past 2 or 3 years, I consider myself to have been a very 'lukewarm' Christian. Yes, I preached the Gospel and I was passionate about God when I did, but I was not always thinking about God and I fell into some bad habits. I swore, was surrounded with unbelievers, became very petty and argumentative at times, hated other people sometimes too, and engaged in some very...question online sexual behavior with someone I dated long distance for several years.

This past year was hard. I broke up with my ex to be with my best friend(someone I've had more unconditional and pure love for more than anyone I've met to date), several of my friends either left or betrayed me, and I was going in and out of depression. I hit rock bottom, and once I did, I realized how much I'd been neglecting my faith and how bad that had been for me. Up until that point, I thought I had been saved and that I could just say a quick prayer each night, evangelize here and there, avoid breaking the ten commandments and I would be peachy-keen.

After I realized all of this, I started spending hours every day reading different parts of scripture and reading debates about theology and morality, listening to sermon after sermon by all kinds of pastors from different denominations, learning about the denominations themselves, and overall trying to better myself as a Christian. Sure, it was hard sometimes. I'd hit a wall or point of uncertainty and think 'heck, it'd be so much easier to just give up on all of this' but you know? Being an atheist and believing in 'whatever goes, goes' would be 100 times scarier and more stressful than anything I could face as a Christian. I love God and I refused to give up, and each time even when I got to the point where I'd contemplate the unthinkable, I'd come out of it feeling better and stronger than ever.

I think I've matured more spiritually in the last month that I have in my entire life, and I've been sharing my knowledge with everyone I know. I thank God all of the time for the wonderful people in my life, for pulling me through the hard times, and for all of the gifts and talents he's given me(art, music, writing and programming to name a few). Heck, my current boyfriend was atheist before we started dating, and even he's become very dedicated to Christ and wanting to grow spiritually. On top of all that,I also have started looking for churches in my area and plan on getting baptized a second time(I was baptized as a baby, but I really want to have the memory/experience of it now so I can have it as long as I live as a testimony to my love of Christ)

Now then, that sounds all great right? Well, it would be, except if that's all I had to say, the title of this post would be very different.

Here's the problem; no matter how far I believe I've come as a Christian, I still feel like I'll end up in hell and it's making me spiritually exhausted. In particular, I've been wrestling with the fear of whether or not listening to secular media or watching TV is a sin. Because if it is indeed a sin, and I don't repent--I'll go to hell, yes? I mean I don't consider anything I watch or listen to to be that bad. I have a high tolerance for swearing and (sometimes?)violence but no nudity or sex scenes at all when it comes to movies(I really enjoy anime for example); and when it comes to music, so long as it's not talking about sex(I'm pretty 'eh' if it's only implied to an extent)and it's not encouraging debauchery or anything satanic, I consider it to be okay.

None of those things tempt me to sin, and to be quite honest even after reading scripture I've never felt as though I was being 'convicted' of anything by just seeing or hearing stuff like that. Like when it comes to movies, I have no problem if a character has an alcohol addiction/is promiscuous so long as it's present as the character's 'vice' and it's not glorifying that kind of behavior. The only time I've felt doubtful is when I read devout Christians talking about how 'even seeing or hearing something that God hates is a sin' and that all secular media is mindless garbage(which, granted, a lot of it is; but I don't consider what I enjoy to be in that group). I always try to look for the good in what I watch and listen to, or just take it in as an expression of how flawed humanity is.

I've already read most of the major scripture addressing these things(The psalm about 'setting no wicked thing before my eyes', the philippians litmus test, etc)and even if I try to apply those scriptures, for me personally I just didn't feel convicted outside of other people's opinions. It doesn't help that I've been enjoying a lot of Paul Washer's sermons, and while I agree with 99% of what he preaches, he REALLY seems like he would not approve of my taste in music or movies.

I guess I feel like if I don't match the holiness of the other people who believe these things, I'll lose my salvation or will be considered 'lukewarm'. I could give up any of these things, but I want to make sure it's because of GOD--not other people's opinions--if I can help it, since I really value having a, albeit reasonable, sense of Christian liberty. Even when people say 'it's okay, you won't go to hell' or 'it's fine to watch/listen to those things' part of me is also like what if they're wrong though? I understand we live in a day and culture where people do not respect God's word as they should, and like Paul Washer talks about there are lots more 'lukewarm' Christians than most of us probably believe.

Any advice would be appreciated. I'm really just sick over this because I truly want to be as good as I can while still enjoying a little bit of this life and I AM TERRIFIED of going to hell...and I know full well that God can and will send me there unless I act correctly.
You have fallen into the devil's snare of condemnation. Ask yourself this: will God condemn the born again spirit that He gave you to hell? Answer, no. You need to spend time, perhaps hours, studying the precious blood of Christ and all that it has achieved for you. Satan is the accuser of the brethren. The word assures us that there is not condemnation to those in Christ Jesus.

It is not good enough to confess and get clean, carry out the same sin and confess again. It will not send you to hell. Sin is destructive and hardens the heart (Hebrews 3:12 & 13). You need to turn away from all that is questionable. If in doubt, throw it out. Don't be confused about holiness. It is not about behaviour. Holiness is a result of consecration. Once you have made Jesus your Lord, you are holy. Then you need to quit trying to be a Christian and allow Lord Jesus to live out His life in you, through you and in place of what you used to be. As you give yourself to Him, make Him responsible for your Christian life.

You cannot do this alone. God never intended us to live out of our own abilities. That's why there was the tree of Life in Eden. Lord Jesus is all that we will even want or need. Total reliance on Him takes all the pressure off us.
 
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Thanks for the kind and encouraging words. I guess I've been so swept up in the 'fire and brimstones' sermons and whatnot that it has made me become afraid to indulge in any idea of 'forgiveness' and focus on faith rather than works. I truly don't believe I'm doing anything wrong, but I also would hate to get up to the pearly gates only to have God tell me "Hmm, you did well...but you never repented from watching that one secular tv show, so OFF TO HELL WITH YOU"
The most important repentance that matters is thinking we can live life on our own without God's help. He is an ever present aid in our times of need. He wants us to understand his good and merciful character. He wants us to live. He wants us to be well. As John said,

3Jn 1:2 Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth.
 
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False.DElijah went to heaben in a whirlwind.

Not false. Incomplete. I did not take the time to look it up, but it was both.

2Ki_2:11 And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.

Amazing how you ignored my point for a minor detail.
 
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Hi there everyone!

I just made my account to this forum, specifically, so I could get this off of my chest. I tend to ramble and have a hard time condensing my points, so please bear with me if this comes out too long.

Let me preface by saying that the past 2 or 3 years, I consider myself to have been a very 'lukewarm' Christian. Yes, I preached the Gospel and I was passionate about God when I did, but I was not always thinking about God and I fell into some bad habits. I swore, was surrounded with unbelievers, became very petty and argumentative at times, hated other people sometimes too, and engaged in some very...question online sexual behavior with someone I dated long distance for several years.

This past year was hard. I broke up with my ex to be with my best friend(someone I've had more unconditional and pure love for more than anyone I've met to date), several of my friends either left or betrayed me, and I was going in and out of depression. I hit rock bottom, and once I did, I realized how much I'd been neglecting my faith and how bad that had been for me. Up until that point, I thought I had been saved and that I could just say a quick prayer each night, evangelize here and there, avoid breaking the ten commandments and I would be peachy-keen.

After I realized all of this, I started spending hours every day reading different parts of scripture and reading debates about theology and morality, listening to sermon after sermon by all kinds of pastors from different denominations, learning about the denominations themselves, and overall trying to better myself as a Christian. Sure, it was hard sometimes. I'd hit a wall or point of uncertainty and think 'heck, it'd be so much easier to just give up on all of this' but you know? Being an atheist and believing in 'whatever goes, goes' would be 100 times scarier and more stressful than anything I could face as a Christian. I love God and I refused to give up, and each time even when I got to the point where I'd contemplate the unthinkable, I'd come out of it feeling better and stronger than ever.

I think I've matured more spiritually in the last month that I have in my entire life, and I've been sharing my knowledge with everyone I know. I thank God all of the time for the wonderful people in my life, for pulling me through the hard times, and for all of the gifts and talents he's given me(art, music, writing and programming to name a few). Heck, my current boyfriend was atheist before we started dating, and even he's become very dedicated to Christ and wanting to grow spiritually. On top of all that,I also have started looking for churches in my area and plan on getting baptized a second time(I was baptized as a baby, but I really want to have the memory/experience of it now so I can have it as long as I live as a testimony to my love of Christ)

Now then, that sounds all great right? Well, it would be, except if that's all I had to say, the title of this post would be very different.

Here's the problem; no matter how far I believe I've come as a Christian, I still feel like I'll end up in hell and it's making me spiritually exhausted. In particular, I've been wrestling with the fear of whether or not listening to secular media or watching TV is a sin. Because if it is indeed a sin, and I don't repent--I'll go to hell, yes? I mean I don't consider anything I watch or listen to to be that bad. I have a high tolerance for swearing and (sometimes?)violence but no nudity or sex scenes at all when it comes to movies(I really enjoy anime for example); and when it comes to music, so long as it's not talking about sex(I'm pretty 'eh' if it's only implied to an extent)and it's not encouraging debauchery or anything satanic, I consider it to be okay.

None of those things tempt me to sin, and to be quite honest even after reading scripture I've never felt as though I was being 'convicted' of anything by just seeing or hearing stuff like that. Like when it comes to movies, I have no problem if a character has an alcohol addiction/is promiscuous so long as it's present as the character's 'vice' and it's not glorifying that kind of behavior. The only time I've felt doubtful is when I read devout Christians talking about how 'even seeing or hearing something that God hates is a sin' and that all secular media is mindless garbage(which, granted, a lot of it is; but I don't consider what I enjoy to be in that group). I always try to look for the good in what I watch and listen to, or just take it in as an expression of how flawed humanity is.

I've already read most of the major scripture addressing these things(The psalm about 'setting no wicked thing before my eyes', the philippians litmus test, etc)and even if I try to apply those scriptures, for me personally I just didn't feel convicted outside of other people's opinions. It doesn't help that I've been enjoying a lot of Paul Washer's sermons, and while I agree with 99% of what he preaches, he REALLY seems like he would not approve of my taste in music or movies.

I guess I feel like if I don't match the holiness of the other people who believe these things, I'll lose my salvation or will be considered 'lukewarm'. I could give up any of these things, but I want to make sure it's because of GOD--not other people's opinions--if I can help it, since I really value having a, albeit reasonable, sense of Christian liberty. Even when people say 'it's okay, you won't go to hell' or 'it's fine to watch/listen to those things' part of me is also like what if they're wrong though? I understand we live in a day and culture where people do not respect God's word as they should, and like Paul Washer talks about there are lots more 'lukewarm' Christians than most of us probably believe.

Any advice would be appreciated. I'm really just sick over this because I truly want to be as good as I can while still enjoying a little bit of this life and I AM TERRIFIED of going to hell...and I know full well that God can and will send me there unless I act correctly.

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I understand that, but what does that even really mean? If I give my 100%, what if it's not the same 100% that other people give?

Despite what people imply about secular media, there is no scripture or verse saying you cannot watch/hear something that shows about sin. 'Shows' is a keyword there, since as I mentioned I'm careful to avoid stuff that outright glorifies or overtly goes against God. I believe in Jesus Christ with all of my heart and soul, but is watching a movie that happens to have some cussing or something in it a sin? I consider most media to be a reflection of what the world is like, and I wouldn't consider seeing a man becoming drunk in a movie to be any different than if I witnessed a drunkard out on the street. I don't feel compelled to sin after seeing it, and it's usually only a minor part of a bigger story.
My dad was in the military. I watched war movies on TV in the 70’s when they were available. I became a bully and sometimes belligerent. After my conversion to Christianity, I do not like violent movies. Christ advised I should not get angry, nor resist violence. I avoid watching inappropriate content or sleazy shows, this reduced temptation to lust. At age 60 I do have unlimited second chances.

I turned to reading non-fiction. There is too much unreal drama on TV, some of it is not particularly cruel, but will waste my time if I let it.
 
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Hi there everyone!

I just made my account to this forum, specifically, so I could get this off of my chest. I tend to ramble and have a hard time condensing my points, so please bear with me if this comes out too long.

Let me preface by saying that the past 2 or 3 years, I consider myself to have been a very 'lukewarm' Christian. Yes, I preached the Gospel and I was passionate about God when I did, but I was not always thinking about God and I fell into some bad habits. I swore, was surrounded with unbelievers, became very petty and argumentative at times, hated other people sometimes too, and engaged in some very...question online sexual behavior with someone I dated long distance for several years.

This past year was hard. I broke up with my ex to be with my best friend(someone I've had more unconditional and pure love for more than anyone I've met to date), several of my friends either left or betrayed me, and I was going in and out of depression. I hit rock bottom, and once I did, I realized how much I'd been neglecting my faith and how bad that had been for me. Up until that point, I thought I had been saved and that I could just say a quick prayer each night, evangelize here and there, avoid breaking the ten commandments and I would be peachy-keen.

After I realized all of this, I started spending hours every day reading different parts of scripture and reading debates about theology and morality, listening to sermon after sermon by all kinds of pastors from different denominations, learning about the denominations themselves, and overall trying to better myself as a Christian. Sure, it was hard sometimes. I'd hit a wall or point of uncertainty and think 'heck, it'd be so much easier to just give up on all of this' but you know? Being an atheist and believing in 'whatever goes, goes' would be 100 times scarier and more stressful than anything I could face as a Christian. I love God and I refused to give up, and each time even when I got to the point where I'd contemplate the unthinkable, I'd come out of it feeling better and stronger than ever.

I think I've matured more spiritually in the last month that I have in my entire life, and I've been sharing my knowledge with everyone I know. I thank God all of the time for the wonderful people in my life, for pulling me through the hard times, and for all of the gifts and talents he's given me(art, music, writing and programming to name a few). Heck, my current boyfriend was atheist before we started dating, and even he's become very dedicated to Christ and wanting to grow spiritually. On top of all that,I also have started looking for churches in my area and plan on getting baptized a second time(I was baptized as a baby, but I really want to have the memory/experience of it now so I can have it as long as I live as a testimony to my love of Christ)

Now then, that sounds all great right? Well, it would be, except if that's all I had to say, the title of this post would be very different.

Here's the problem; no matter how far I believe I've come as a Christian, I still feel like I'll end up in hell and it's making me spiritually exhausted. In particular, I've been wrestling with the fear of whether or not listening to secular media or watching TV is a sin. Because if it is indeed a sin, and I don't repent--I'll go to hell, yes? I mean I don't consider anything I watch or listen to to be that bad. I have a high tolerance for swearing and (sometimes?)violence but no nudity or sex scenes at all when it comes to movies(I really enjoy anime for example); and when it comes to music, so long as it's not talking about sex(I'm pretty 'eh' if it's only implied to an extent)and it's not encouraging debauchery or anything satanic, I consider it to be okay.

None of those things tempt me to sin, and to be quite honest even after reading scripture I've never felt as though I was being 'convicted' of anything by just seeing or hearing stuff like that. Like when it comes to movies, I have no problem if a character has an alcohol addiction/is promiscuous so long as it's present as the character's 'vice' and it's not glorifying that kind of behavior. The only time I've felt doubtful is when I read devout Christians talking about how 'even seeing or hearing something that God hates is a sin' and that all secular media is mindless garbage(which, granted, a lot of it is; but I don't consider what I enjoy to be in that group). I always try to look for the good in what I watch and listen to, or just take it in as an expression of how flawed humanity is.

I've already read most of the major scripture addressing these things(The psalm about 'setting no wicked thing before my eyes', the philippians litmus test, etc)and even if I try to apply those scriptures, for me personally I just didn't feel convicted outside of other people's opinions. It doesn't help that I've been enjoying a lot of Paul Washer's sermons, and while I agree with 99% of what he preaches, he REALLY seems like he would not approve of my taste in music or movies.

I guess I feel like if I don't match the holiness of the other people who believe these things, I'll lose my salvation or will be considered 'lukewarm'. I could give up any of these things, but I want to make sure it's because of GOD--not other people's opinions--if I can help it, since I really value having a, albeit reasonable, sense of Christian liberty. Even when people say 'it's okay, you won't go to hell' or 'it's fine to watch/listen to those things' part of me is also like what if they're wrong though? I understand we live in a day and culture where people do not respect God's word as they should, and like Paul Washer talks about there are lots more 'lukewarm' Christians than most of us probably believe.

Any advice would be appreciated. I'm really just sick over this because I truly want to be as good as I can while still enjoying a little bit of this life and I AM TERRIFIED of going to hell...and I know full well that God can and will send me there unless I act correctly.

Your life is not about YOU. It is about Christ. About God himself. You cannot merit your salvation. God does not decide whom to save based on anything but his own good purposes.

You aren't even your own judge, in the end. God is.

But whether or not you end up in Heaven or Hell, he is to be admired and his name is to be praised for his plan beyond comprehension. You can count on it, what he is doing for his own sake will be done according to his own good will, not according to your performance. You can count on it that the Judge of all the World will do what is right.
 
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This past year was hard. I broke up with my ex to be with my best friend(someone I've had more unconditional and pure love for more than anyone I've met to date), several of my friends either left or betrayed me, and I was going in and out of depression. I hit rock bottom, and once I did, I realized how much I'd been neglecting my faith and how bad that had been for me.

This is an interesting way of putting things. Isn't it God you are neglecting, not just your faith?

Up until that point, I thought I had been saved and that I could just say a quick prayer each night, evangelize here and there, avoid breaking the ten commandments and I would be peachy-keen.

But this makes your faith merely about keeping rules, not about fellowship with God which is the heart of Christianity.

After I realized all of this, I started spending hours every day reading different parts of scripture and reading debates about theology and morality, listening to sermon after sermon by all kinds of pastors from different denominations, learning about the denominations themselves, and overall trying to better myself as a Christian.

And what about the Bible? Did you spend much time pouring over its contents? Or did you get all your spiritual food pre-chewed?

If there is one thing the Bible makes clear, it is that we cannot better ourselves. Not in the way God wants, anyway. Self-improvement is not the primary goal of Christianity; knowing, loving and glorifying God is.

Now then, that sounds all great right?

Not really, no...

Here's the problem; no matter how far I believe I've come as a Christian, I still feel like I'll end up in hell and it's making me spiritually exhausted. In particular, I've been wrestling with the fear of whether or not listening to secular media or watching TV is a sin.
Here are two questions to help you decide:

1. Will this help me become more like Jesus?
2. Will this make me less like Jesus?

Some things we do are pretty neutral spiritually and morally speaking. Stuff like brushing my teeth, or washing the dishes, or walking the dog. But there are things that clearly serve to propel me deeper into fellowship with God or propel me away from Him. A Christian should pursue the former with great energy and flee the latter with equal vigor.

I mean I don't consider anything I watch or listen to to be that bad.

Are your preferences and tolerances the standard by which to judge what media you should or shouldn't watch or listen to? I don't see that anywhere in the Bible. Instead, we are given clear standards by which to judge what we should or shouldn't watch or listen to:

Psalms 101:3
I will set no
wicked thing before mine eyes...

Philippians 4:8
8 Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.


Ephesians 5:1-4
1 Therefore be imitators of God as dear children.
2 And walk in love, as Christ also has loved us and given Himself for us, an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweet-smelling aroma.
3 But fornication and all uncleanness or covetousness, let it not even be named among you, as is fitting for saints;
4 neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor coarse jesting, which are not fitting...


Because if it is indeed a sin, and I don't repent--I'll go to hell, yes?

You don't seem to understand what it means to be saved and how that is accomplished. You are not the Saviour; Jesus is. He saves you; you don't save yourself by living just right.

None of those things tempt me to sin, and to be quite honest even after reading scripture I've never felt as though I was being 'convicted' of anything by just seeing or hearing stuff like that.

And if you've become numb to things that ought to provoke your conscience? What then? What if you're entirely too used to sin, to stuff that ought to repel you but doesn't?

God doesn't make His moral standards dependent upon what we're comfortable watching or listening to. That would be a disaster. We can become far too easily used to things that God absolutely hates.

I always try to look for the good in what I watch and listen to, or just take it in as an expression of how flawed humanity is.

This is like looking for pearls in manure. You might find one but at what cost? You've found a gem in the filth but have totally fouled yourself in the process. Does this seem like a good and God-honoring way to carry on?

for me personally I just didn't feel convicted outside of other people's opinions.

Scripture isn't just "other people's opinions"; it is the holy, divinely-inspired word of God. And it is binding upon us whether we agree with it or not. Ignore it if you wish, but you will not escape giving an account to God for doing so.

I really value having a, albeit reasonable, sense of Christian liberty.

You are free in Christ to be like Christ, not to serve yourself. Christian liberty has nothing to do with being free to act as you wish without condemnation.

I'm really just sick over this because I truly want to be as good as I can while still enjoying a little bit of this life and I AM TERRIFIED of going to hell...and I know full well that God can and will send me there unless I act correctly.

See, this tells me you don't really understand what the Gospel is. And until you do, you can't walk properly with God.

God's children, born-again people, don't come under His condemnation because they are in Christ. God is pleased with him always and, by extension, those who are in him. And since God's acceptance of Christ never alters, His acceptance of those in him never alters, either. Are you in Christ? Have you been born-again by the Spirit? Are you clothed in the righteousness of Christ? If you are, you cannot ever come again under God's wrath.
 
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I am really sorry that you are going through this. I think that it is important to have faith in Jesus, and to trust that he died on the cross for our sins. If we have faith in him and accept him in to our hearts, there is no need to be afraid.

Regards to the TV and other things. In the past I did spend some time doing things that were not beneficial in any way, and that was a big mistake. I think that it is good to cut out a lot of things that are not beneficial for our walk with Christ. I hope you find peace, God bless.
 
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Hi there everyone!

I just made my account to this forum, specifically, so I could get this off of my chest. I tend to ramble and have a hard time condensing my points, so please bear with me if this comes out too long.

Let me preface by saying that the past 2 or 3 years, I consider myself to have been a very 'lukewarm' Christian. Yes, I preached the Gospel and I was passionate about God when I did, but I was not always thinking about God and I fell into some bad habits. I swore, was surrounded with unbelievers, became very petty and argumentative at times, hated other people sometimes too, and engaged in some very...question online sexual behavior with someone I dated long distance for several years.

This past year was hard. I broke up with my ex to be with my best friend(someone I've had more unconditional and pure love for more than anyone I've met to date), several of my friends either left or betrayed me, and I was going in and out of depression. I hit rock bottom, and once I did, I realized how much I'd been neglecting my faith and how bad that had been for me. Up until that point, I thought I had been saved and that I could just say a quick prayer each night, evangelize here and there, avoid breaking the ten commandments and I would be peachy-keen.

After I realized all of this, I started spending hours every day reading different parts of scripture and reading debates about theology and morality, listening to sermon after sermon by all kinds of pastors from different denominations, learning about the denominations themselves, and overall trying to better myself as a Christian. Sure, it was hard sometimes. I'd hit a wall or point of uncertainty and think 'heck, it'd be so much easier to just give up on all of this' but you know? Being an atheist and believing in 'whatever goes, goes' would be 100 times scarier and more stressful than anything I could face as a Christian. I love God and I refused to give up, and each time even when I got to the point where I'd contemplate the unthinkable, I'd come out of it feeling better and stronger than ever.

Hi, and welcome to CF. :)
It's fine that you have listened to different sermons and debates on Christian matters, ethics etc - but have you spent as much time reading God's word?
Do you know how much God loves you? Christ died for you when you were a sinner, Romans 5:6-8. You could do, and have done, nothing to deserve such love, and you will never be separated from it, Romans 8:38-39.

Here's the problem; no matter how far I believe I've come as a Christian, I still feel like I'll end up in hell and it's making me spiritually exhausted.

If you are trying to make yourself good enough to get to heaven, by your own behaviour and efforts, you will be permanently exhausted, and you'll never make it.
None of us can earn eternal life. Jesus died for sinners, and he is the One who gives eternal life, John 6:40, John 3:36, 1 John 5:12.

In particular, I've been wrestling with the fear of whether or not listening to secular media or watching TV is a sin.

No, it isn't.
Unless, of course, you only watch violent/blasphemous/sexually explicit stuff and watch so much of it that it affects your behaviour and personality. That would not be at all helpful.

Because if it is indeed a sin, and I don't repent--I'll go to hell, yes?

No.
The only reason people will spend eternity without God is if they constantly reject him and his Son, refuse to ask for forgiveness and eternal life, be filled with the Spirit and trust in God for salvation, guidance and so on.

I've already read most of the major scripture addressing these things(The psalm about 'setting no wicked thing before my eyes', the philippians litmus test, etc)and even if I try to apply those scriptures, for me personally I just didn't feel convicted outside of other people's opinions. It doesn't help that I've been enjoying a lot of Paul Washer's sermons, and while I agree with 99% of what he preaches, he REALLY seems like he would not approve of my taste in music or movies.

I guess I feel like if I don't match the holiness of the other people who believe these things, I'll lose my salvation or will be considered 'lukewarm'.

It doesn't matter tuppence what other people think of you, or your actions; what does God think?
The fact is that none of your actions will earn you a place in heaven - none of us will ever be good enough to deserve God's mercy, love and eternal life. Romans 6:23 says that eternal life is a gift from God. Ephesians 2:8 says that we are saved by Grace. Grace is free and undeserved - even if you went to live on a desert island with only the basics of life and a Bible, you still would not be able to earn God's love.

Any advice would be appreciated. I'm really just sick over this because I truly want to be as good as I can while still enjoying a little bit of this life and I AM TERRIFIED of going to hell...and I know full well that God can and will send me there unless I act correctly.

No he won't.
If you reject God and his gift of eternal life; if you reject what his Son did for you - die, so that your sins could be forgiven - and if you were to keep on rejecting this for the whole of your life, when you died, your sins would be unforgiven; you would be meeting God without a Savior.
Accepting Jesus involves accepting that nothing that YOU do will be good enough; that you are a sinner who cannot please God on your own, but you accept that his Son was made sin for you, 2 Corinthians 5:21, and died so that you could be reconciled to God, Romans 5:11, 2 Corinthians 5:18. If you accept this and ask Jesus to be your Saviour you will be born again, have eternal life and become God's child, Romans 8:16-17. If you realise how much God loves you and how much he has done for you, I am certain that you will love him all the more. My love for God increased hugely when I responded to his love for me; John says, "we love because he first loved us", 1 John 4:19. When you love God like that you will not want to do anything that might hurt him or be in opposition to his word. But our behaviour, and character, changes because we are saved; we don't do good in order to be saved, because that is not possible.
 
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