I'm spiritually burned out and feel like I'll end up in hell no matter what.

theoneandonlypencil · Oct 11, 2019

yeshuaslavejeff said:
Galatians 5:17 For the flesh craves what is contrary to the ...
Galatians 5:17 For the flesh craves what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are opposed to each other, so that you do not do what you want.
For the desires of the flesh are against the Spirit, and the desires of the Spirit are against the flesh, for these are opposed to each other, to keep you from doing the things you want to do. Berean Study Bible. For the flesh craves what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh.

I understand, but I will have to respectfully disagree with the answer given based on the context. Two verses later, in Galatians 5:19-21 it reads;
"(19)The acts of the flesh are obvious; sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; (20) idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions(21)and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God."

I'm not committing ANY acts of the flesh. Nor do I condone them just because I happen to see them in a movie or the like.

theoneandonlypencil · Oct 11, 2019

AlexDTX said:
There is nothing that can separate you from the love of God in Christ Jesus because God is reconciled to the world through Christ. If you have the new birth, knowing you were a sinner, and believe in what Jesus has done, you are a saint already in heaven by your spirit.

Heaven and Hell are non issues for those born again. Following Christ's example and living as Christ called us to live is not a matter of works but faith. How well or poorly we follow his example impacts only our quality of life now. It does not separate us from God. But it does affect how much God's blessings flow upon us.

Elijah was a failure in that he only did one out of three things God told him to do. Elisha, his disciple completed those other two things. Yet Elijah was allowed to by pass death and go to heaven in what seems to be a flying chariot. Why? Because Elijah loved God and God loved him. This is what being a Christian is about.

Thanks for the kind and encouraging words. I guess I've been so swept up in the 'fire and brimstones' sermons and whatnot that it has made me become afraid to indulge in any idea of 'forgiveness' and focus on faith rather than works. I truly don't believe I'm doing anything wrong, but I also would hate to get up to the pearly gates only to have God tell me "Hmm, you did well...but you never repented from watching that one secular tv show, so OFF TO HELL WITH YOU"

yeshuaslavejeff · Oct 11, 2019

theoneandonlypencil said:
I understand, but I will have to respectfully disagree with the answer given based on the context. Two verses later, in Galatians 5:19-21 it reads;
"(19)The acts of the flesh are obvious; sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; (20) idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions(21)and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God."

I'm not committing ANY acts of the flesh. Nor do I condone them just because I happen to see them in a movie or the like.

The answer given was / is / just some of the most obvious - "tip of the iceberg" ....

Whoever loves (desires, seeks, delights in) the "things of the world" cannot be a friend of God..... it is a serious matter to Him, and throughout His Word.

theoneandonlypencil · Oct 11, 2019

yeshuaslavejeff said:
The answer given was / is / just some of the most obvious - "tip of the iceberg" ....

Whoever loves (desires, seeks, delights in) the "things of the world" cannot be a friend of God..... it is a serious matter to Him, and throughout His Word.

Who defines what are the 'things of the world'? Is electricity or non-ministry based jobs 'things of the world' too? Who decides?

I understand where you're coming from, but as I said, I do not 'seek' or 'delight' in any sin. It's just that I happen to enjoy creative works that reflect the real world, and the real world is VERY full of sin.

JustRachel · Oct 11, 2019

I'm not going to go back and read all of the posts. Stop comparing yourself to other people and strive to be more like Christ. You won't be perfected in this lifetime, but keep on running the race.

theoneandonlypencil · Oct 11, 2019

JustRachel said:
I'm not going to go back and read all of the posts. Stop comparing yourself to other people and strive to be more like Christ. You won't be perfected in this lifetime, but keep on running the race.

Thank you Rachel. I appreciate the helpful words of advice.

yeshuaslavejeff · Oct 11, 2019

theoneandonlypencil said:
Who defines what are the 'things of the world'? Is electricity or non-ministry based jobs 'things of the world' too? Who decides?

theoneandonlypencil said:
I happen to enjoy creative works that reflect the real world, and the real world is VERY full of sin.

You just defined it in a way that guarantees judgment to come, hopefully while there is still time to repent of it?

theoneandonlypencil · Oct 11, 2019

yeshuaslavejeff said:
You just defined it in a way that guarantees judgment to come, hopefully while there is still time to repent of it?

Pardon? I'm not understanding. I mean that I enjoy creative works that don't sugarcoat everything like the usual 'Christian' media. It's like reading the Old Testament; it's full of bad things, and even if it doesn't advocate for those bad things, they are shown nevertheless because they were/are part of the world due to man's sinful nature.

Sorry if I confused you. I didn't mean it in the way that the world GLORIFIES sinful behavior.

yeshuaslavejeff · Oct 11, 2019

Psalm 101:3 I will set no worthless thing before my eyes. I ...

Psalm 101:3 I will set no worthless thing before my eyes. I hate the work of those who fall away; it shall not cling to me.
I will set no base thing before mine eyes: I hate the work of them that turn aside; it shall not cleave unto me. Webster's Bible Translation I will set no wicked thing before my eyes: I hate the work of them that turn aside; it shall not cleave to me. World English Bible I will set no vile thing before my eyes. I hate the deeds of faithless men.

friend of · Oct 11, 2019

theoneandonlypencil said:
I simply want to know whether or not enjoying secular media falls under Christian Liberty

We do have liberty you are correct. Just listen to your conscience. If its telling you to stay away from certain media, then listen. Don't be afraid if you happen to stumble upon some bad stuff. Just mark it and do away with it. Avoid what your heart is telling you to avoid.

yeshuaslavejeff · Oct 11, 2019

Victorious Christian Live - Watchman Nee | Faith | Sin - Scribd

https://www.scribd.com › document › Victorious-Christian-Live-Watchma...
Victorious Christian Live - Watchman Nee - Free download as PDF File (.pdf), Text ... Adam's disobedience brought in sin and God's judicial condemnation of death to all ...... appetite as the worldly people do for restaurants, movies, television, ...

theoneandonlypencil · Oct 11, 2019

yeshuaslavejeff said:
Psalm 101:3 I will set no worthless thing before my eyes. I ...
Psalm 101:3 I will set no worthless thing before my eyes. I hate the work of those who fall away; it shall not cling to me.
I will set no base thing before mine eyes: I hate the work of them that turn aside; it shall not cleave unto me. Webster's Bible Translation I will set no wicked thing before my eyes: I hate the work of them that turn aside; it shall not cleave to me. World English Bible I will set no vile thing before my eyes. I hate the deeds of faithless men.

I've seen this verse. I'm 99% sure that, from what I studied, to 'set no wicked thing before my eyes', means to not condone or look upon it with approval or delight. I certainly don't delight when I witness sin; I tolerate it's existence, and encourage people to not follow bad examples.

theoneandonlypencil · Oct 11, 2019

friend of said:
We do have liberty you are correct. Just listen to your conscience. If its telling you to stay away from certain media, then listen. Don't be afraid if you happen to stumble upon some bad stuff. Just mark it and do away with it. Avoid what your heart is telling you to avoid.

Thanks<3 I never watch anything that makes me feel convicted and I do have a standard on what I will/won't watch, so I feel more at ease.

yeshuaslavejeff · Oct 11, 2019

theoneandonlypencil said:
I certainly don't delight when I witness sin

theoneandonlypencil said:
I happen to enjoy creative works that reflect the real world, and the real world is VERY full of sin.

Scriptural lessons, proven, tested, true, in line with all Scripture >
To help repent of , recognize, and avoid sin >>>
Andrew Murray

Abide in Christ
Absolute Surrender
Be Perfect

www . worthychristianlibrary . com/
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renniks · Oct 11, 2019

theoneandonlypencil said:
Thanks for the kind and encouraging words. I guess I've been so swept up in the 'fire and brimstones' sermons and whatnot that it has made me become afraid to indulge in any idea of 'forgiveness' and focus on faith rather than works. I truly don't believe I'm doing anything wrong, but I also would hate to get up to the pearly gates only to have God tell me "Hmm, you did well...but you never repented from watching that one secular tv show, so OFF TO HELL WITH YOU"

Really? What can separate you from the love of Christ? What is secular and what isn't? Didn't God give the actor's talent? Is entertainment inherently evil? I think you are worrying about non issues. If you were watching smut, I'd understand you feeling guilty, but as it is, you seem to be believing God doesn't want you to find enjoyment in life, which just doesn't reflect belief in a loving God.

theoneandonlypencil · Oct 11, 2019

yeshuaslavejeff said:
Scriptural lessons, proven, tested, true, in line with all Scripture >
To help repent of , recognize, and avoid sin >>>
Andrew Murray

Abide in Christ
Absolute Surrender
Be Perfect

www . worthychristianlibrary . com/
<take spaces out>

I appreciate you taking the time to talk to me, but I think you misunderstand me. I said I enjoy creative works that reflect the real world, and the real world is full of sin. I do not enjoy that BECAUSE there is sin, but because it is not 'sugarcoating' the truth of the state of the world. There is a lot of struggle and grit dealing with existing in such a world. You don't get that living in a bubble where everything is perfect, you know? We won't get to enjoy that until the afterlife.

theoneandonlypencil · Oct 11, 2019

renniks said:
Really? What can separate you from the love of Christ? What is secular and what isn't? Didn't God give the actor's talent? Is entertainment inherently evil? I think you are worrying about non issues. If you were watching smut, I'd understand you feeling guilty, but as it is, you seem to be believing God doesn't want you to find enjoyment in life, which just doesn't reflect belief in a loving God.

Yeah, I didn't think of it that way. I'm not cut out to be a fundamentalist, but I also don't want to abuse what forms of Christian-freedom I've been given since I respect God and Jesus above all else. Perhaps I should take Rachel and the others' advice and stop basing my salvation on other people's views on me, and focus on continuing to be sincere and close to God so that I can bear good fruit regardless. I probably won't be watching the same things or enjoying the same music in ten or twenty years either, so what the heck lol.

Anthony2019 · Oct 11, 2019

Hello theoneandonlypencil
Just remember that Jesus loves you, that He came to set you free, so you can have life and have it abundantly.
There is nothing abstract or complex about living our lives for God. It is not about obeying rules or checking off lists. It's not about what TV channel you watch, what songs you like listening to, or what food you like eating. If you want to focus on pleasing Christ, then concentrate on his greatest commandment: "love the Lord your God with all your heart, all your soul and all your mind, and love your neighbour as yourself". Love is the fulfilment of the law.
Stop worrying about what will happen to you in the future. God will take care of you. Enjoy the wonderful life that God has given you now, and the wonderful gifts and opportunities He has given you.

Blade · Oct 11, 2019

theoneandonlypencil

you are holy. You are in right standing with the Father because you believe in Jesus. Thats what HIS word says. Righteousness does not come by what you do. Is what the word says. The flesh was not changed when we were born again. So we all fight this kind of thing. Fear is not of God. That means these feelings and thoughts are NOT FROM GOD but the enemy to steal your joy.

See were not faithful.. we are not righteous in our selfs in what we do. GOD is faithful to what Christ already did. God see you RIGHTEOUS and HOLY because you believe in Jesus. Were in this race.. so when you fall repent.. get up dust off and keep going. DONT focus on SIN...focus on Him on the good things of God. If you never read the bible again.. Hes loves you never left and still happy still has arms open.. still holding you. You never go to church. On and on. No matter what you do.. He will never left. Satan comes to kill steal and destroy.

Christ is not against you. He does not judge you nor condemn you

YEAH! You look into those eyes.. so deep .....and you feel this love for you thats so great you can't grasp it. And you fall to you knees.. you know all the things you never did for Him.. all the sin....but.. why is He picking you up.. holding you and never letting go? Its like He won't look at all the wrong you do. HE LOVES YOU! He died for you sin. We are not free to sin. But haha...Hes not like man. And you know that man can say "I LOVE YOU" in one breath and then lie and leave. Yet.. not HIM! After all you have done.. YOUR the reason He came.. and sis He is NEVER LEAVING YOU! Yeah.. what He started in you.. HE WILL FINISH! And put on GODS armor.. rest in HIS peace.. have HIS joy.. its all HIM!

Focus on HIM! All the good things He has done. its hard not to walk by how we feel and to walk only by what He said. And its hard to when we hear different things from so many Christians. John.. is a good book to read over and over.. KNOW not by how you feel or have done or do.. but KNOW He loves you.. His LOVE is not based on what you did do or will do. He died alone on that cross. He left heaven because HE will not let YOU GO! He made all this for YOU! As if your the only one. HOW He does this I don't know.. but Hes the GOD so..

Your set free. FORGIVE your self. What ever you have done.. repent..KNOW He will NEVER remember it.. forgive others.

you are the daughter of a GOD! And this GOD? Will NEVER EVER EVER EVER let you go!

theoneandonlypencil · Oct 11, 2019

Anthony2019 said:
Hello theoneandonlypencil
Just remember that Jesus loves you, that He came to set you free, so you can have life and have it abundantly.
There is nothing abstract or complex about living our lives for God. It is not about obeying rules or checking off lists. It's not about what TV channel you watch, what songs you like listening to, or what food you like eating. If you want to focus on pleasing Christ, then concentrate on his greatest commandment: "love the Lord your God with all your heart, all your soul and all your mind, and love your neighbour as yourself". Love is the fulfilment of the law.
Stop worrying about what will happen to you in the future. God will take care of you. Enjoy the wonderful life that God has given you now, and the wonderful gifts and opportunities He has given you.

Thank you so very much for the helpful & kind words!<3 As important as it is to bear good fruits and be aware of the problem concerning lukewarm believers in this day and age, I truly believe I've been focusing on the wrong things here and I should spend all of that extra energy praising God; not worrying about whether or not I'll burn forever because someone cussed in a movie I watch XD

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