LDS LDS Jesus Could Have Lost His Godhood

Peter1000 said:

Look closer at your history, it will be as embarrassing or more than ours.

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He is the way said:

You said: "You don't even know what church/denomination I attend"

So what church/denomination do you attend?

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The church of "none of your business", where "this thread is not about me" is preached.

BigDaddy4 said:

The church of "none of your business", where "this thread is not about me" is preached.

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Well I am not ashamed that I believe in Christ and that I am a member of The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter Day Saints.

Because if anyone does not want to let Mormons pick on whatever church they go to when that's not the topic and they have no interest in having their own church affiliation used as a crutch to prop up Mormonism, it must mean they're 'ashamed' to say they believe in Christ. That's the only possible explanation.

mmksparbud said:

Yah---cause, unless you've been in it with the constant mantra of Mormonism and JS is right for years on end---you will not believe it and see it for the lie it is.

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To an extent, you are right. Many people are like the Corinthian saints that Paul could not tell the meat of the gospel to because they would have revolted and left Chrsitianity. Some people need time to accumulate knowledge one piece at a time, until they are ready for the meat. Even then, the higher commitment may be a stumbling stone for those with less faith.

Some people are ready instantly for the entire milk and meat of the gospel. As soon as they are baptized, they want to get ready to be sealed to their husband/wife in the temple and to get their endowments and blessings. They are ready to take on a higher commitment to Jesus and live a higher Christian life, not just the milk gospel, but the meat gospel as well.

Peter1000 said:

To an extent, you are right. Many people are like the Corinthian saints that Paul could not tell the meat of the gospel to because they would have revolted and left Chrsitianity. Some people need time to accumulate knowledge one piece at a time, until they are ready for the meat. Even then, the higher commitment may be a stumbling stone for those with less faith.

Some people are ready instantly for the entire milk and meat of the gospel. As soon as they are baptized, they want to get ready to be sealed to their husband/wife in the temple and to get their endowments and blessings. They are ready to take on a higher commitment to Jesus and live a higher Christian life, not just the milk gospel, but the meat gospel as well.

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You can call it meat all you want. They are lies and recognized as such so you wait, for years if need to be, before you tell them what you really think. In the meantime, you keep up with the indoctrinating's mantras to lull them to sleep. It works on the young esp. It was done to me and I know the anger that comes when you realize how you have ben manipulated.

mmksparbud said:

You can call it meat all you want. They are lies and recognized as such so you wait, for years if need to be, before you tell them what you really think. In the meantime, you keep up with the indoctrinating's mantras to lull them to sleep. It works on the young esp. It was done to me and I know the anger that comes when you realize how you have ben manipulated.

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I suspect anyone from any church/denomination could say they were manipulated. No one can learn everything about their church/denomination in a day, week, year or even in a decade. People can study the Bible for years and still not understand all of it. There are people who leave every church/denomination because their beliefs change. One thing never changes and that is that God is LOVE. He has commanded us to LOVE one another:

(New Testament | 1 John 4:20 - 21)

20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?
21 And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.

He is the way said:

Well I am not ashamed that I believe in Christ and that I am a member of The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter Day Saints.

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I am not ashamed that I believe in Jesus Christ as found in the Bible. And I am not ashamed that I stand against the false prophets and teachings of your church.

BigDaddy4 said:

I am not ashamed that I believe in Jesus Christ as found in the Bible. And I am not ashamed that I stand against the false prophets and teachings of your church.

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Of course you are not ashamed to believe in Jesus Christ. But are you ashamed of your church's stance on blacks from 1700 - 1978?

Peter1000 said:

Of course you are not ashamed to believe in Jesus Christ. But are you ashamed of your church's stance on blacks from 1700 - 1978?

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Why would 1978 be a year of any special significance for any other group than the Mormons?

You do realize that Mormonism is but a tiny blip on the 2,000 years of Christian history, and is generally ignored on account of it being irrelevant to Christianity, don't you?

dzheremi said:

Why would 1978 be a year of any special significance for any other group than the Mormons?

You do realize that Mormonism is but a tiny blip on the 2,000 years of Christian history, and is generally ignored on account of it being irrelevant to Christianity, don't you?

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I'm hoping that small blip will eventually turn into a holy mountain and be a clarion for Jesus the Christ to get the world ready for the second coming. I look forward to many wonderful signs and miracles along the way, as the second coming approaches.

If you are disconcerted about the year 1978, then change it to whatever date you wish inside the 20th century.

BigDaddy4 said:

I am not ashamed that I believe in Jesus Christ as found in the Bible. And I am not ashamed that I stand against the false prophets and teachings of your church.

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There are people who claim they believe in the Jesus Christ of the Bible but in works they deny Him:

(New Testament | Titus 1:14 - 16)

14 Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.
15 Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.
16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

He is the way said:

There are people who claim they believe in the Jesus Christ of the Bible but in works they deny Him:

(New Testament | Titus 1:14 - 16)

14 Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.
15 Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.
16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

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I know I have read Titus 1:16 before, but your post just finally sent it home to my brain. Men may profess God, but deny him because of a lack of good works. Or thinking every good work is reprobate.
Thanks for posting it.

Peter1000 said:

Of course you are not ashamed to believe in Jesus Christ. But are you ashamed of your church's stance on blacks from 1700 - 1978?

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What is so special about that time period? Means nothing to me or my church.

He is the way said:

There are people who claim they believe in the Jesus Christ of the Bible but in works they deny Him:

(New Testament | Titus 1:14 - 16)

14 Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.
15 Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.
16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

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Right. Like the LDS church.

BigDaddy4 said:

What is so special about that time period? Means nothing to me or my church.

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This is the time period in America when I suspect your church was rather cruel to blacks.

BigDaddy4 said:

Right. Like the LDS church.

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Like the LDS church? We are the only church that incorporated good works into our salvation process. So no, not like the Chuch of Jesus Christ.

He is the way said:

I suspect anyone from any church/denomination could say they were manipulated. No one can learn everything about their church/denomination in a day, week, year or even in a decade. People can study the Bible for years and still not understand all of it. There are people who leave every church/denomination because their beliefs change. One thing never changes and that is that God is LOVE. He has commanded us to LOVE one another:

(New Testament | 1 John 4:20 - 21)

20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?
21 And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.

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There is a difference between learning your bible verses for Sabbath School and being indoctrinated with the use of a mantra---JS is right, Mormonism is right, constantly, day after day. That is not love. That is bending the mind, it is dictatorship. It is essentially, force of a young mind.

Peter1000 said:

Like the LDS church? We are the only church that incorporated good works into our salvation process. So no, not like the Chuch of Jesus Christ.

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Mat_23:5 But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments,
Gal_2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Good works is the natural offspring of salvation---they are not done in order to be saved---those have no meaning in the eyes of God.

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.