Do prayers have to end with Amen?

ByTheSpirit said:

Example, when I was younger I had one very specific request of God that was foolish, but I was genuine in asking. I persisted but it never came. Then one day I just suddenly stopped asking because I no longer wanted it. I believe God heard my prayer and instead of granting my request that would have brought harm upon me (I believe it would have now), He changed me so I no longer desired it.

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I asked God for something that was not "good" for me.....and He gave it. I repented of the request and learned to not ask for such things. Which scenarios do to believe would help one grow in reverence and respect for God?

Also, how is one to determine whether or not they are serving the true God or a false, if sometimes they both give the same answer.....or no answer at all?

I always wondered why people do say "amen" to end prayers. Everyone says it anyway even if they know it is not required.

joshua 1 9 said:

Yes and I looked up the meaning of the words so I could understand what Paul was talking about.

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Good. As did I. So, we are in agreement I was NOT saying that there is no longer value or meaning in the law, it is just no longer the pathway to righteousness.

ChristianForCats said:

I always wondered why people do say "amen" to end prayers. Everyone says it anyway even if they know it is not required.

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Sometimes people say it in a group setting so everyone knows the official prayer is done. At my church last week we were praying as a worship team and no one said amen and everyone jsut stood around awkwardly until someone said amen. lol

RaymondG said:

I asked God for something that was not "good" for me.....and He gave it. I repented of the request and learned to not ask for such things. Which scenarios do to believe would help one grow in reverence and respect for God?

Also, how is one to determine whether or not they are serving the true God or a false, if sometimes they both give the same answer.....or no answer at all?

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I truly believe God the Father will never grant a request that harms us physically, mentally or spiritually. Now we may take such answers as harmful, for instance asking for patience almost always leads to mental anguish but we hopefully learn from it.

If you asked God for something harmful and received it, chances are it was coincidence, or it was meant for good and misused, or another power that be granted it as a ruse. But that is purely my view on it. I'll stop distracting from the OP's question now

devin553344 said:

I saw this and was wondering if prayers have to end with Amen?

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Family Guy is not the teacher of the truth of God's word.

The word Amen, means "may this prayer come true"

Using it indicates that the person who prayed and God who hears are in agreement.
2 Cor.1:20 For all God's promises are "Yes" in him. And so through him we can say "Amen," to the glory of God.

ByTheSpirit said:

I truly believe God the Father will never grant a request that harms us physically, mentally or spiritually. Now we may take such answers as harmful, for instance asking for patience almost always leads to mental anguish but we hopefully learn from it.

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Be it unto you as you believe.

ByTheSpirit said:

If you asked God for something harmful and received it, chances are it was coincidence, or it was meant for good and misused, or another power that be granted it as a ruse. But that is purely my view on it. I'll stop distracting from the OP's question now

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I get it, If I ask for something and dont get it or i get it and it is good, God answered, But if I get it and it is bad....some other power answered. This is getting a little distracting...

Thanks for the conversation

Back to the OP

topher694 said:

Good. As did I. So, we are in agreement I was NOT saying that there is no longer value or meaning in the law, it is just no longer the pathway to righteousness.

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Actually it is and I personally had a conversation with Paul about this. NOT really a conversation, he talked and I listen. I guess you can say he "talked" because he gave me a packet of information to process. Anyways Paul said: "It is written", so I went to look to see what was written and I saw that David used the word: "GOOD". So first Paul explained to me what David was meaning by the word "GOOD". Then Paul talked about how he used the word: "RIGHT". My question was how or why did Paul change the word "GOOD" to "RIGHT". So Paul explained righteousness to me. Which you and me already understand because we read his letter. The whole "conersation" with Paul took about 12 seconds of his time. Time is different in Heaven then what we find here on the Earth.

As it is written: “There is no one righteous, not even one. There is no one who understands, no one who seeks God. All have turned away; they have together become worthless; there is no one who does good, not even one(Romans 3:10-12)

All have turned away, they have together become corrupt; there is no one who does good, not even one. (Psalm 53:3)

"Therefore no one will be justified in His sight by works of the law. For the law merely brings awareness of sin. But now, apart from the Law,the righteousness of God has been revealed, as attested by the Law and the Prophets. And this righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe."

We do not see Paul giving us the so called Pauline privilege of being allowed to be lawless. He simply does not teach that. If anything the Righteousness of God is a higher standard then to be good under the law. Show me were we do not actually have to BE righteous before God. If we are righteous before God, then there is no sin in our life. That is what it means to be saved. To be delivered from corruption. Because corruption and decay is the cause of death. There is no corruption in God. We are given time to repent and turn away from corruption, but eventually out time is going to run out. So the question will be what did we do with the time we were given?

Peter warns us about this: "He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction." (2Peter3:16)

Perhaps you would like to explain how we can be righteous without actually being righteous? To be righteous means to be living a life free from corruption. If you are lawless then you are not righteous before God. Through faith in Christ we are delivered from lawlessness. The law itself does not deliver us. Christ sets us free so we can live a righteous life before Him.

RaymondG said:

This is getting a little distracting...

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This is why we have time before we receive our request. So we have time to repent.

joshua 1 9 said:

Actually it is and I personally had a conversation with Paul about this. NOT really a conversation, he talked and I listen. I guess you can say he "talked" because he gave me a packet of information to process. Anyways Paul said: "It is written", so I went to look to see what was written and I saw that David used the word: "GOOD". So first Paul explained to me what David was meaning by the word "GOOD". Then Paul talked about how he used the word: "RIGHT". My question was how or why did Paul change the word "GOOD" to "RIGHT". So Paul explained righteousness to me. Which you and me already understand because we read his letter. The whole "conersation" with Paul took about 12 seconds of his time. Time is different in Heaven then what we find here on the Earth.

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Ok, so

#1, this is not how it works. Paul did not talk to you.

joshua 1 9 said:

We do not see Paul giving us the so called Pauline privilege of being allowed to be lawless. He simply does not teach that. If anything the Righteousness of God is a higher standard then to be good under the law. Show me were we do not actually have to BE righteous before God. If we are righteous before God, then there is no sin in our life. That is what it means to be saved. To be delivered from corruption. Because corruption and decay is the cause of death. There is no corruption in God. We are given time to repent and turn away from corruption, but eventually out time is going to run out. So the question will be what did we do with the time we were given?

Peter warns us about this: "He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction." (2Peter3:16)

Perhaps you would like to explain how we can be righteous without actually being righteous? To be righteous means to be living a life free from corruption. If you are lawless then you are not righteous before God. Through faith in Christ we are delivered from lawlessness. The law itself does not deliver us. Christ sets us free so we can live a righteous life before Him.

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#2 you continue to make MASSIVE and wrong assumptions over small posts. Where did I say anything about allowing lawlessness? Where did I say we weren't supposed to BE righteous? Heck something I commonly say when ministering is we were MADE righteous so that we could BE righteous. I'm not going to dictate an entire sermon here for someone that doesn't really want to hear it, but rather just wants to argue about imagined things. You're making something out of nothing.

In my experience when people read too much into the what others say and make wild assumptions about it, it flows from a wrong heart and wrong motivations.

I think this has gone too far off topic, time to end this line of discussion here and now.

Anguspure said:

Consequences are inevitable, you are right, and when he makes us aware of something then we should pay attention. We know it at that point, after all.
But the things He gives us to go on with are much more difficult than head knowledge, and those of us who enjoy a bit of intellectual stuff often find it easier to fill our lives with the love of knowledge rather than Loving our neighbor.
There I think is our challenge, and no amount of knowing what word or what name to use is going to make much difference when we are found to have not fed, clothed, visited etc the least among us and learnt that it was Him that we left out in the cold. Won't matter much then what we called Him.

So far as eternal security is concerned, in terms of things that we do not know (because we are to busy following His command), there we have the grace of Yeshua to be confident in.

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I wholeheartedly agree with you that our head knowledge is easier to acquire than inculcating the habit of loving our neighbor/others. I suppose that is why we are instructed to have the faith of a child as a child believes what he hears and simply does it.

As far as eternal security goes, which I don't subscribe to in spite of what I learned in seminary, there are sins that God "overlooks" and gives grace to us until we discover that they are sinful and we repent of them. At other times though, judgment is swifter and harsher witness Ananias and Sapphira and taking the mark of the beast which has eternal consequences for "anyone" which means the unbeliever and the believer. That is another topic in itself though.

devin553344 said:

That sounds right. I like it. So what I pray for will be accomplished?

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Not necessarily, but you are expressing your confidence that God will act in some capacity on your behalf, perhaps not the way you petitioned.

Matthew 6:5-15

Jesus doesnt throw "Amen" in that example of how to pray.

I dont believe there is anything wrong with "Amen" but I dont personally see it as necessary either.

It is YOUR relationship to the Father that is important.

If one is fully devoted to the Father and His will, but leaves out "Amen" I dont believe it disqualifies their prayer one bit. Im sure He is far more pleased with the one whose heart is truly His that leaves out "Amen" tha n He is with the one that is half hearted and never forgets the "amen".

Well mine don't. As our bothers said "its faith in that name". Amen..so be it.. no. In JESUS name! For what ever I ask the Father in His name.. on and on.

You know this reminds me of a dream I had not long ago. Didnt see anything .. all that was said "you don't say the name of Jesus enough". yeah.. I 100% sure that was of God.. lol.

topher694 said:

Paul did not talk to you.

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That is fine if you think this is just imagination. Half the books in the library are fiction or novel. People still read them and they still learn from them. I actually enjoy reading books written by people who claim to know a lot more about Heaven then I do. I have read books written by Kat Kerr, Oden Hetrick and the one written by his daughter. I even have a book here written over 100 years ago that people still read and recommend. This esp talks about the children in Heaven and the Education they receive there.

Dante's book: "The Divine Comedy" was written back in 1320 a year before his death. This is considered to be one of the greatest works of world literature. So if it is ok for people to write books about hell, then why would it not be ok for people to write books about Heaven?

"'In the last days, God says: I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, your old men will dream dreams." (Acts2:7)

joshua 1 9 said:

That is fine if you think this is just imagination. Half the books in the library are fiction or novel. People still read them and they still learn from them. I actually enjoy reading books written by people who claim to know a lot more about Heaven then I do. I have read books written by Kat Kerr, Oden Hetrick and the one written by his daughter. I even have a book here written over 100 years ago that people still read and recommend. This esp talks about the children in Heaven and the Education they receive there.

Dante's book: "The Divine Comedy" was written back in 1320 a year before his death. This is considered to be one of the greatest works of world literature. So if it is ok for people to write books about hell, then why would it not be ok for people to write books about Heaven?

"'In the last days, God says: I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, your old men will dream dreams." (Acts2:7)

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OK then, bu-bye now.

I always end my prayers the way the historic Church did with "In the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, Amen" crossing myself when I say this.