Turkey is beginning genocide with Trump's green light

SavedByGrace3 · Oct 11, 2019

ArmenianJohn said:
We elected him to use profanity and take the Lord's name in vain?

There's this thing called "The Bible" - you might want to check it out, especially the commandment "thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain." It's just a commandment, that's all. Maybe to you it doesn't mean anything because it's not in the constitution.

So what do you suggest as an alternative? Do you think Hillary, Biden, or any other Dem or Repub would be saints? I know none of them are saints with halos. But what is the alternative?

ArmenianJohn · Oct 11, 2019

SavedByGrace3 said:
So we are going to go around the world rescuing Christians?
Are we going to recusing the millions in Russian, China, and all the Muslim nations.
We do not have enough troops. Americans have lost thousands upon thousands of men and women saving other nations. Have you forgotten WW1 WW2 Korea, VN, and a multitude of others?
I think we have done enough. More than enough for nations who turn right around and hate us and would not lift a finger to help us.
We are not your mommy, your daddy, or your God.
Save yourselves or find a way to live together.

We should be rescuing anyone we can. It's true we can't rescue everyone, so that's fine, there's a limit.

But we should be helping the people who we created the mess for. That most definitely includes all the Christians (and muslims, yazidis, etc.) who live in the Middle East whom we caused turmoil for by funding and supporting their enemies, including ISIS and Al Qaeda.

Funny, you don't complain about our troops or America "policing" someplace when we send troops there to destroy the country but when it comes to cleaning up the mess you whine "NOT OUR PROBLEM!" Yes, it is our problem. We created it. The problem with you and those like you is that you don't understand what responsibility is. No, we haven't done enough to clean up our messes. But the values of America dictate that oil is an idol and must be served at any cost, even the cost of our troops' lives and the lives of civilians in the middle east. Christians' lives are worthless to America, though. That's why this is happening. Truly pathetic and an embarrassment to any American with Christian morals.

SavedByGrace3 · Oct 11, 2019

ArmenianJohn said:
We should be rescuing anyone we can. It's true we can't rescue everyone, so that's fine, there's a limit.

But we should be helping the people who we created the mess for. That most definitely includes all the Christians (and muslims, yazidis, etc.) who live in the Middle East whom we caused turmoil for by funding and supporting their enemies, including ISIS and Al Qaeda.

Funny, you don't complain about our troops or America "policing" someplace when we send troops there to destroy the country but when it comes to cleaning up the mess you whine "NOT OUR PROBLEM!" Yes, it is our problem. We created it. The problem with you and those like you is that you don't understand what responsibility is. No, we haven't done enough to clean up our messes. But the values of America dictate that oil is an idol and must be served at any cost, even the cost of our troops' lives and the lives of civilians in the middle east. Christians' lives are worthless to America, though. That's why this is happening. Truly pathetic and an embarrassment to any American with Christian morals.

Personally I want them all home. All of them.

Nithavela · Oct 11, 2019

SavedByGrace3 said:
Personally I want them all home. All of them.

Even the ones in the bases you built around Iran?

ArmenianJohn · Oct 11, 2019

yeshuaslavejeff said:
Not at all. Someone "behind the scenes" has been getting the world leaders of all the countries to commit <spiritual> fornication for centuries. This remains a secret to the world - that the natural man can not grasp, but is written clearly in Scripture and is in line with all of Scripture, and in Harmony with all of God's Plan, and God's Purpose .

God is behind the scenes, ultimately. God permits evil because He permits free will for men. He does not do evil, however. It doesn't matter what "hidden hand" and other conspiratorial forces there are, evil is evil and sin is sin.

It sounds like you're trying to push the blame onto some obscure, vague, higher force for things that individuals like Trump and others are doing. I don't buy it. I don't care what framework evil is being done in, the people involved are still doing evil. I also don't understand why you're being cryptic and secretive, as if you have some kind of secret or occult knowledge. Whatever your talking about is completely irrelevant to the OP.

ArmenianJohn · Oct 11, 2019

SavedByGrace3 said:
Personally I want them all home. All of them.

Yeah right. Point me to one of your posts where you've said this before in light of our invasion of another country. Feel free to prove what you're saying here. I doubt you can.

ArmenianJohn · Oct 11, 2019

Chesterton said:
The better question is, how does he know something that no one else on the internet knows about? If I change my name to ZombieChesterton will you believe me when I assert that the zombie apocalypse has begun?

You're Eastern Orthodox and you don't know about Turkey and genocide? You must be a catechumen.

ArmenianJohn · Oct 11, 2019

Cimorene said:
Judas' betrayal was historic. It was severe. I think Judas did have a conscience. He wasn't shameless or sociopathic. Jesus knew that Judas would betray him. He was hurt yes but he was the most emotionally strong person who ever lived & obviously his salvation was already secured.

Our allies who have been betrayed by Trump didn't know that he was going to do that to him. He has no remorse, no care at all. I think he values his properties, his condo complex in Turkey, his political ties, more than ppl who already had nothing losing their lives. I think this is much worse than what Judas did!!!

Well, I wouldn't say it's much worse than what Judas did, but I understand and agree with your point. And Judas had the guilt and remorse to go hang himself for what he did. I don't expect Trump to hang himself but he isn't and will never show any kind of remorse or guilt for doing what he's doing in this betrayal.

Aryeh Jay · Oct 11, 2019

GACfan said:
I'm glad to see more Republicans standing up to Trump now that he has disavowed the Kurds.

Republican anger grows as Trump disavows Kurds by saying they didn't help during WWII

'Losing the mandate of heaven': Pat Robertson 'appalled' by Trump decision to draw back troops from Syria

It is funny that none of the other stuff he (Trump) has done bothered them (Republicans) in the least.

GACfan · Oct 11, 2019

Aryeh Jay said:
It is funny that none of the other stuff he (Trump) has done bothered them (Republicans) in the least.

If these Republicans are finally willing to stand up against Trump in order to stand up for what is morally right, then I think they chose a good place to start. I’m willing to commend them for finally growing a backbone to call him out and publicly challenge him. It’s better late than never.

Chesterton · Oct 11, 2019

ArmenianJohn said:
The article in the OP

No.

ArmenianJohn said:
You're Eastern Orthodox and you don't know about Turkey and genocide? You must be a catechumen.

Of course I know. I've argued against people on CF who claim it wasn't a real genocide. But that's irrelevant. You made up some false news. You should remember the story of The Boy Who Cried Wolf.

essentialsaltes · Oct 11, 2019

If you were dithering about the semantics of a green light, the US (and Russia) veto the UN resolution condemning Turkey's attack. That's a green light.

EU diplomats stood alone against the US and Russia on Syria at the UN on Thursday (10 October), painting a bleak picture of transatlantic relations.

EU envoys to the UN Security Council (UNSC), from Belgium, Estonia, France, Germany, Poland, and the UK spoke to press in New York after the US and Russia blocked an EU-drafted UN resolution on the conflict.

yeshuaslavejeff · Oct 11, 2019

SavedByGrace3 said:
It will end one day.

For believers, Ekklesia, it ends when Jesus is in charge.
For the world, it ends when Jesus is in charge (when He Returns).

yeshuaslavejeff · Oct 11, 2019

ArmenianJohn said:
It sounds like you're trying to push the blame onto some obscure, vague, higher force for things that individuals like Trump and others are doing. I don't buy it. I don't care what framework evil is being done in, the people involved are still doing evil.

"Blame" ? no. The one who sins, transgresses, is responsible for their transgressions.
The so-called "obscure, vague, higher force" is declared in Scripture.

ArmenianJohn said:
God is behind the scenes, ultimately. God permits evil because He permits free will for men. He does not do evil, however. It doesn't matter what "hidden hand" and other conspiratorial forces there are, evil is evil and sin is sin.

Evil that God permits , to the world, remains often "obscure, vague, higher force" since the world cannot overcome the evil .....
To the world, the devil and the angels that rebelled with him are that "obscure, vague, higher force" --- the "conspiracy" of evil is not a secret IN SCRIPTURE, but IS REVEALED BY YAHUWEH and by JESUS.

keith99 · Oct 11, 2019

Cimorene said:
Idk, Ella said Trump tried to rip off the school board in Palos Verdes for what was basically 'pocket change' to him but huge for schools. This was b4 her time but neighbours told of the infamy. Plus I mean Trump is the sort of person who had his "charitable foundation" closed bc he was cheating real cancer charities including ones for kids. I don't think you can ever think he's not willing to stoop to a new low bc he totally is. There is no rock bottom for him or way to measure his greed. I think he would sell out for a mere 30 pieces of silver just bc.

Ok perhaps 30 big pieces of silver.

But I'm sure Donald is too homophobic to betray anyone male with a kiss! And he probably could not betray a woman that way without adding a grope.

wing2000 · Oct 11, 2019

SavedByGrace3 said:
They were genociding thousands of years before we all showed up.

Who?

And they do not need or care about any "green lights" to do their thing.

Yes, I'm sure it's just coincidence that Turkey's operation started within days of Trump's phone with the Turkish president. Here is a fact: If Trump had refused to withdraw US troops from the border security zone, Turkey would not have launched it's operation.

SavedByGrace3 · Oct 11, 2019

wing2000 said:
Who?
Yes, I'm sure it's just coincidence that Turkey's operation started within days of Trump's phone with the Turkish president. Here is a fact: If Trump had refused to withdraw US troops from the border security zone, Turkey would not have launched it's operation.

Congress has the power to declare war. If you want to send thousands of troops to war in Syria, call your congressman and demand they declare war on _somebody_.
"The Constitution grants Congress the sole power to declare war. "
Blame Trump for something it is not within his power to do?
Demand the Dems in congress do their job.
Oh wait. They are obsessed with other absurd matters. Cannot be bothered with doing their job. Just neglect their job and then blame Trump.
That is rich.

JackRT · Oct 11, 2019

wing2000 said:
Who?

In Exodus when the Hebrew tribes entered the "promised land" they attempted genocide against the tribal peoples already there.
That is simply the way tribal wars go down --- then and now. But the Hebrews claimed that God ordered it. I suspect that it is a common excuse.

creslaw · Oct 11, 2019

ArmenianJohn said:
Armenian-populated town in Syria under Turkey's attack

History repeating itself; Trump green lights the killing of Christians again. Our good "friends" and "allies" are free to kill Christians. Open season on Christians thanks to Trump.

I have a limited knowledge of the situation but I wonder why no one speaks about Turkey's problems - the 3.6 million Syrian refugees in Turkey, and a border with Kurds who are allied with Kurdish terrorists within Turkey's borders.

Your affiliation indicates why you would be anti-Turkey and see it as some sort of evil nation, but I doubt the situation is a simple as that.

While killing of Christians is to be lamented, so is the killing of any person.

wing2000 · Oct 11, 2019

SavedByGrace3 said:
Congress has the power to declare war. If you want to send thousands of troops to war in Syria, call your congressman and demand they declare war on _somebody_.
"The Constitution grants Congress the sole power to declare war. "
Blame Trump for something it is not within his power to do?
Demand the Dems in congress do their job.
Oh wait. They are obsessed with other absurd matters. Cannot be bothered with doing their job. Just neglect their job and then blame Trump.
That is rich.

What are you talking about? Trump made a decision to with drawl troops from the border security zone. He didn't consult with the Pentagon, much less Congress.

Turkey is beginning genocide with Trump's green light

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