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Well, violence and cruelty would be seen by man, no? For God does acts of violence, but the recipients are seen as being worthy, yes? And as to errors, the texts have stood the test of time. As requested, I will show no examples.
 
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Aside from saying that the bible is the inspired word of God and making some effort to show examples
OK:


Inspiration:

2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2Ti 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

2Pe_1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

Preservation:

Psa 12:6 The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
Psa 12:7 Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.

Mat_24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
Mar_13:31 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.
Luk_21:33 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.

Deu_8:3 And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the LORD doth man live.

Mat_4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
Luk_4:4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.

... how can the inspiration of the bible be shown to be true ...
By scripture itself:

Joh 10:35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;

Isa 46:9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me,
Isa 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

Joh_13:19 Now I tell you before it come, that, when it is come to pass, ye may believe that I am he.
Joh_14:29 And now I have told you before it come to pass, that, when it is come to pass, ye might believe.

... in the face of the examples of violence, cruelty, ...
God is accurate the witness of sin.

...and errors in it?
There are no errors in the King James Bible, the preserved word of God in English:

The "Errors" of the King James Bible (PDF)

Feel free to read the section, "The preserved word of God (Psalms 12:6-7) in the English language – The King James Bible (KJB) – AV1611 – Vindicated Files (PDF & Powerpoint):" here - Link

2Sa_22:31 As for God, his way is perfect; the word of the LORD is tried: he is a buckler to all them that trust in him.

Psa_19:7 The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.

Psa_33:4 For the word of the LORD is right; and all his works are done in truth.
 
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Aside from saying that the bible is the inspired word of God and making some effort to show examples how can the inspiration of the bible be shown to be true in the face of the examples of violence, cruelty, and errors in it?

violence and cruekty are not standards by which accuracy is judged.

As for the so called errors I would suggest either research to find them or research to examine the evidence for the accuracy of the bible.

From memory the bible lists kings of israel and judah as well as many kings of neighbouring countries There names and titles are accuratly recorded in the bible as found on there monuments. In comparison the history of egypt as recorded by egypt the kings are largely unrecognisable.

Then you have acheloogy of the new testiment as recorded in Luke and in Acts. Tis was regarded as a late 2nd centuary after thought, untill the middle east was dug up.
Every title, district, council, province recorded by Luke is what is found in the towns that Luke and Paul traved through.
 
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...can the inspiration of the bible be shown to be true in the face of the examples of violence, cruelty, and errors in it?

No one has been able to show even one real error in the Bible. The errors that I have seen are always in people’s own interpretations and opinions.

And the violence, unfortunately it history is full of violence. I think it would be error not to report it accurately. I think the inspiration is visible in that Bible is truthful about people.
 
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I think the inspiration is visible in that Bible is truthful about people.
Truthful about God too?

Even in this passage?
Now the men of Israel had sworn at Mizpah, “No one of us shall give his daughter in marriage to Benjamin.” And the people came to Bethel and sat there till evening before God, and they lifted up their voices and wept bitterly. And they said, “O LORD, the God of Israel, why has this happened in Israel, that today there should be one tribe lacking in Israel?” And the next day the people rose early and built there an altar and offered burnt offerings and peace offerings. And the people of Israel said, “Which of all the tribes of Israel did not come up in the assembly to the LORD?” For they had taken a great oath concerning him who did not come up to the LORD to Mizpah, saying, “He shall surely be put to death.”​

And the people of Israel had compassion for Benjamin their brother and said, “One tribe is cut off from Israel this day. What shall we do for wives for those who are left, since we have sworn by the LORD that we will not give them any of our daughters for wives?” And they said, “What one is there of the tribes of Israel that did not come up to the LORD to Mizpah?” And behold, no one had come to the camp from Jabesh-gilead, to the assembly. For when the people were mustered, behold, not one of the inhabitants of Jabesh-gilead was there. So the congregation sent 12,000 of their bravest men there and commanded them, “Go and strike the inhabitants of Jabesh-gilead with the edge of the sword; also the women and the little ones. This is what you shall do: every male and every woman that has lain with a male you shall devote to destruction.” And they found among the inhabitants of Jabesh-gilead 400 young virgins who had not known a man by lying with him, and they brought them to the camp at Shiloh, which is in the land of Canaan. Then the whole congregation sent word to the people of Benjamin who were at the rock of Rimmon and proclaimed peace to them. And Benjamin returned at that time. And they gave them the women whom they had saved alive of the women of Jabesh-gilead, but they were not enough for them.​

And the people had compassion on Benjamin because the LORD had made a breach in the tribes of Israel. Then the elders of the congregation said, “What shall we do for wives for those who are left, since the women are destroyed out of Benjamin?” And they said, “There must be an inheritance for the survivors of Benjamin, that a tribe not be blotted out from Israel. Yet we cannot give them wives from our daughters.” For the people of Israel had sworn, “Cursed be he who gives a wife to Benjamin.” So they said, “Behold, there is the yearly feast of the LORD at Shiloh, which is north of Bethel, on the east of the highway that goes up from Bethel to Shechem, and south of Lebonah.” And they commanded the people of Benjamin, saying, “Go and lie in ambush in the vineyards and watch. If the daughters of Shiloh come out to dance in the dances, then come out of the vineyards and snatch each man his wife from the daughters of Shiloh, and go to the land of Benjamin. And when their fathers or their brothers come to complain to us, we will say to them, ‘Grant them graciously to us, because we did not take for each man of them his wife in battle, neither did you give them to them, else you would now be guilty.’”​

And the people of Benjamin did so and took their wives, according to their number, from the dancers whom they carried off. Then they went and returned to their inheritance and rebuilt the towns and lived in them. And the people of Israel departed from there at that time, every man to his tribe and family, and they went out from there every man to his inheritance. In those days there was no king in Israel. Everyone did what was right in his own eyes.​
Judges 21:1-25
 
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I believe Bible tells also truth about God. However, the scripture you quoted seems to be about people and about what people said and did.
There are other passages dealing with similar material that attribute direction and commands to God.
 
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Aside from saying that the bible is the inspired word of God and making some effort to show examples how can the inspiration of the bible be shown to be true in the face of the examples of violence, cruelty, and errors in it?
Since this is in "GT" section, won't there be several and different/opposing answers depending on what group answers ?
 
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Very likely, yes.
Is that what you were hoping for?

For comparison, IF desired, what section (if any) could the question/topic be posted in to find out , Yahuweh Willing, what Yahuweh Says ? (i.e. His Truth, His Final, unchanging Word)
 
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Is that what you were hoping for?

For comparison, IF desired, what section (if any) could the question/topic be posted in to find out , Yahuweh Willing, what Yahuweh Says ? (i.e. His Truth, His Final, unchanging Word)
It's too early in the morning for these questions. People will answer as they please.
 
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There are other passages dealing with similar material that attribute direction and commands to God.

Sorry, I am not sure what you mean with that. Please explain what direction or commandment is attributed to God in that Judges 21:1-25?
 
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Sorry, I am not sure what you mean with that. Please explain what direction or commandment is attributed to God in that Judges 21:1-25?
Since I said other passages you might look at them. Here are some references.
  • Numbers 31:7-18
  • Deuteronomy 20:10-14
  • Deuteronomy 21:10-14
  • Judges 5:30
  • Exodus 21:7-11
  • Zechariah 14:1-2
 
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I find it worth remembering that the law was given to an imperfect people-- one with a history of 400 years of slavery. Regardless, these people (as people are today) were far from the ideal, thus the commands given reflect that imperfection. The law was, in part, designed to curb evil, in addition to describing how a person should live, via the ten commandments and verses alike.

Edit: It was actually under 200 years of slavery, I was confused.

It is also explained why God chose to invade certain people. They were rebellious and evil. Or they refused simple passage to the people of Israel-- at the threat of violence. God is just: the targets weren't random.
 
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