Mathematics Proves that Evolution Must Be Erroneous

Dennis12 said:

There are gaps in nature. Nature is not continuous yet Evolution is.

Click to expand...

No. Each new creature is a new point. You don't get a continuous blend of characters, but discontinuous steps. As Mendel pointed out, variation is like sorting beads, not like mixing paint. And this discovery cleared up a serious problem for evolutionary theory. You have it completely backwards.

Our mind are not capable of grasping reality and so we make up things like Evolution.

Click to expand...

Evolution is merely what we observe happening. Evolutionary theory is the theory that best explains what we see. There is no controversy about it happening; we see it happening. The problem for creationists is that many of them don't know what it is.

"A change in allele frequencies in a population over time."

Few creationists would deny that. Many of them now even admit the fact of speciation; some, like AIG and the ICR even admit evolution of higher taxa like genera and families.

A few creationists deny agencies of evolution like natural selection or increasing fitness in a population.

Most creationists deny some consequences of evolution like common descent. Unless you know what the theory is, and make clear what about evolution you object to, you're kinda spinning your wheels. Can you tell us about it.

Student of Yah said:

Psalms and Isaiah are 3500+ years old, speaking about Constellations that Science did not begin observing until Galileo (one of the bigger names).

Click to expand...

That seems unlikely, since all cultures have stories about constellations. Which ones do you think went unnoticed until Galileo?

Today

Click to expand...

, those same Constellations that David and Isaiah spoke of by calling out their names (not locations, just the names), are the same names being used "currently" for the Constellations we continue observing.

Click to expand...

Actually, many of the objects in the heavens are known by their Arabic names. During the dark ages, Islamic astronomers made many discoveries; we often adopted their names for such features.

Everytime an Amway devotee tells me "just watch the video", I know what that's all about. Tell us what, in your opinion, is the best evidence in the video. That you've expressed some erroneous beliefs about the subject suggests the video isn't very good.

If you don't understand it well enough to explain it here, what makes you think it's right?

The Barbarian said:

That seems unlikely, since all cultures have stories about constellations. Which ones do you think went unnoticed until Galileo?

Click to expand...

i have no doubt that other Ancient Cultures and Societies observed the various, random, and then spot on duplicated patterns within this very same Galaxy.

But the Bible, being more than just a "Historical Lineage Record," includes the Creator (or Speaker Whom Commanded the Universe and All to be brought into existence). The Creator set the terminology of the outer limits and beyond, Adam set the terminology over the other living creatures. And somehow, Science has kept its own terms similar.

Actually, many of the objects in the heavens are known by their Arabic names. During the dark ages, Islamic astronomers made many discoveries; we often adopted their names for such features.

Click to expand...

Indeed, before the spread of the Muslim Faith from Mohammed' view of Abraham's views, the Middle East was a thriving Culture of Observations, Philosophies, Intelligent Banter, Mathematics, Sciences, and full of ideas of the "What ifs..."

a very Open-Minded Society...

definitely no longer like that any more...

The Barbarian said:

Evolution is merely what we observe happening. Evolutionary theory is the theory that best explains what we see. There is no controversy about it happening; we see it happening. The problem for creationists is that many of them don't know what it is.

Click to expand...

I had to take Science 101/102 for my degree because they were infrastructuring Science and Mathematics when I attended University studies. i'll never forget being instructed to look over our Science Manuels quickly. The first thing stated in the Preface was a disclaimer concerning Charles Darwin. That disclaimer made the claim:

we should never take the "Family Tree" and idealisms of Darwin's Evolution Theory as absolute fact. We should take his example of how he structured his Research and Study in order to achieve our own Theories.

it was then and there I made my own conclusions and have never regretted them since!!

Barbarian observes:
Evolution is merely what we observe happening. Evolutionary theory is the theory that best explains what we see. There is no controversy about it happening; we see it happening. The problem for creationists is that many of them don't know what it is.

Student of Yah said:

I had to take Science 101/102 for my degree because they were infrastructuring Science and Mathematics when I attended University studies. i'll never forget being instructed to look over our Science Manuels quickly. The first thing stated in the Preface was a disclaimer concerning Charles Darwin. That disclaimer made the claim:

we should never take the "Family Tree" and idealisms of Darwin's Evolution Theory as absolute fact. We should take his example of how he structured his Research and Study in order to achieve our own Theories.

Click to expand...

The (obviously non-scientist) who wrote that, confused evolution (which we directly observe) with evolutionary theory, (which best explains what we observe) with consequences of evolution (like common descent). As I said, he obviously didn't know what evolution is. It's a common creationist issue.

Barbarian asks:
That seems unlikely, since all cultures have stories about constellations. Which ones do you think went unnoticed until Galileo?

Student of Yah said:

i have no doubt that other Ancient Cultures and Societies observed the various, random, and then spot on duplicated patterns within this very same Galaxy.

Click to expand...

So none then? Doesn't that suggest that your initial statement is wrong?

Actually, many of the objects in the heavens are known by their Arabic names. During the dark ages, Islamic astronomers made many discoveries; we often adopted their names for such features.

Indeed, before the spread of the Muslim Faith from Mohammed' view of Abraham's views, the Middle East was a thriving Culture of Observations, Philosophies, Intelligent Banter, Mathematics, Sciences, and full of ideas of the "What ifs..."

Click to expand...

Fact is, when Europe was in the Dark Ages, Muslim astronomers, mathematicians, physicians, and other scientists were openly investigating the nature of our world and made advances from which Europe later borrowed to ignite the rise of Christian Europe in the sciences. It's why math and astronomy have so many Arabic terms, and how we learned about the scientific method first codified by Al-Haytham.

Dennis12 said:

I like 8:35 on the video.

Click to expand...

But you can't explain it? How so?

Barbarian, if you feel God used Evolution to bring forth life, why would God inspire the writer of the Creation story to claim man was formed directly from the bacteria laden dirt combined with the Spit of God to form (clay) man?

there are no relative assumptions here from the Word of God.

so, if you were to align Science to God's Word on the issue of how we ended up here, it will not align [anywhere] concerning Evolution.

So tell me, how is it you feel we are here via Evolution, but simultaneously, you cannot back Evolution by God and His Word?

Student of Yah said:

Barbarian, if you feel God used Evolution to bring forth life, why would God inspire the writer of the Creation story to claim man was formed...

Click to expand...

Have you considered that Genesis is not a scientific description, but a dramatical half-poetry, half-prose story written for a primitive society?

solid_core said:

Have you considered that Genesis is not a scientific description, but a dramatical half-poetry, half-prose story written for a primitive society?

Click to expand...

i have considered that life existed already in human form when the time of Adam was put into action by God. God created a specific Lineage from Adam that goes directly to the One Person designated to be the Savior of All Humanity!!

and that literary pose you speak of, would fall in Books written and mentioned within the kjv bible, like Book of Jasher, Enoch, and many many others (when Our Lord and Savior quotes, as did David and Joshua from these (now Books)), they are CREDIBLE no matter what that Demonic Council Claims!!

something else those within mathematics will relay to anyone, but the term "Randomness" exists for one sole Purpose and Reason...

...mathematically, Evolution can be defined basically perfectly, but when it hits a "Dead End," this is [factually] where Evolution ends, meaning it does not coexist with life like evolving does.

When studies hit dead ends, we tend to see the term [Randomness] in place to keep this "False Idea" alive.

Mathematics "[does not]" Lie!!

the Theory of Evolution is factually mathematically full of Lies!!

Student of Yah said:

something else those within mathematics will relay to anyone, but the term "Randomness" exists for one sole Purpose and Reason...

...mathematically, Evolution can be defined basically perfectly, but when it hits a "Dead End," this is [factually] where Evolution ends, meaning it does not coexist with life like evolving does.

When studies hit dead ends, we tend to see the term [Randomness] in place to keep this "False Idea" alive.

Mathematics "[does not]" Lie!!

Click to expand...

There is "joke" within academia:

biologists < chemists < physicists < mathematicians < God.

Of course, academics are too smart to believe in the Most High God, but it highlights the philosophical strength of pure mathematics.

Kaon said:

There is "joke" within academia:

biologists < chemists < physicists < mathematicians < God.

Of course, academics are too smart to believe in the Most High God, but it highlights the philosophical strength of pure mathematics.

Click to expand...

also what most people do not know, is that the fields of Science and Mathematics were originally separate ideas not [as we know today](Scientific Math).

the merge was after Mathematician and obvious Astrophysicist Galileo finally proved a Scientific Theory is not a "Theory" without proof. Word of Mouth does not cut it. While at same time, in his own studies, Galileo documented his observations of the Constellations and Galaxy with "Patterns, Formulas and other Mathematical Practices."

Galileo did also say:

Mathematics is the Alphabet by which God created the Universe!!
and he also said,
the opinions of a thousand within Science are not worth their value!!

interestingly, not long after Galileo went on to meet his God and Maker, Science and Mathematics merged Philosophically...imagine that!!

Kaon said:

There is "joke" within academia:

biologists < chemists < physicists < mathematicians < God.

Of course, academics are too smart to believe in the Most High God, but it highlights the philosophical strength of pure mathematics.

Click to expand...

let's do some addition here:

the post i quoted ^

+

Galileo did also say:

Mathematics is the Alphabet by which God created the Universe!!

=

Science proves the existence of God by way of using God's Alphabet, Mathematics, in everything they prove to disprove the notion of God.

it's rather comical to watch the likes of neil degrasse tyson claim each discovery lessens the idea of God's existence....where Galileo claims just the opposite occurs because the discovery is being enabled by God's Language, Mathematics...