Is land restoration a part of the new covenant?

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Hello, Yes the land of Israel is part of the new covenant...the old covenant has no effect on the condition of the land because it was given by God as a promise to Abraham and to his seed (singular ) but also his children ie (children of the promise ) both Israel and Gentiles...

A good verse to start with is Ephesians 2:12,13....and verse 19...

Ephesians 2:12,13...Remember that at time you (gentiles ) were separate from Christ, EXCLUDED from CITIZENSHIP in Israel and Foreigners to the covenants of the Promise, (Covenant made with Abraham ) without hope and without God in the world. But now in Christ Jesus you (gentiles ) who once far away have been brought near by the blood of Christ.

Verse 19...
Consequently, you (gentiles ) are NO longer Foreigners and strangers but fellow Citizens with God's people (Israel ) and also member of His household..

So both gentiles and Israel are fellow citizens in Israel...

Christ is the singular offspring to whom the plural promises of Abraham were spoken to (galatians 3:16). So the land promise is fulfilled in Christ having all authority over heaven and earth. For if the whole world is his, then the land of Israel is as well.

Next, Scripture never states we have citizenship in the land of Israel. Gentiles are brought near the commonwealth. Thus Gentiles are fellow citizens with the Jews.

Ephesians 2:11-13 Therefore remember that formerly you who are Gentiles in the flesh and called uncircumcised by the so-called circumcision (that done in the body by human hands)— remember that at that time you were separate from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers to the covenants of the promise, without hope and without God in the world. But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near through the blood of Christ.

And where exactly is the citizenship/commonwealth of Israel: in heaven

Philippians 3:20 But our citizenship is in heaven, and we eagerly await a Savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ,

Galatian 4:25-26 Now Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia;e she corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children. But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother.

Hebrews 12:22 But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to innumerable angels in festal gathering
 
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To me, replacement theology is utterly flawed as it supposes that Israel in a position of CURRENTLY rejecting Christ can/ will never come to him in the same way that someone who is currently an atheist (and therefore also currently rejects Christ) can/ will never come to him. And yet, that very transformation happens every day.

Where did you get this supposition from? I would whole heartedly disagree.

Supersessionism is the belief that the new covenant replaced the old covenant. That the wild olive branches that were grafted in replaced the broken off natural branches. But this does not preclude natural branches from being grafted in again.

Supersessionism believes does not believe the church replaced Israel, but that the Church is Israel: Jew and gentiles who have been grafted into the commonwealth.



 
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You reject that the new covenant replaces the old covenant, and that the wild branches replaced the broken off natural branches?
Which “old covenant?” Mosaic? Davidic? Abrahamic? Noahic? Adamic?

As to the branches of Rom 11, gentiles are added into the tree, and the text says the natural branches still have their place and can be grafted back at any point. Also please note the difference in terminology, gentile branches are CUT from the wild tree, meaning they can be grafted in anywhere; while the Jewish branches are BROKEN meaning they can ONLY be grafted back to the point where they were broken from. A bit of horticulture that Paul’s audience would have been familiar with.
 
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Which “old covenant?” Mosaic? Davidic? Abrahamic? Noahic? Adamic?

As to the branches of Rom 11, gentiles are added into the tree, and the text says the natural branches still have their place and can be grafted back at any point. Also please note the difference in terminology, gentile branches are CUT from the wild tree, meaning they can be grafted in anywhere; while the Jewish branches are BROKEN meaning they can ONLY be grafted back to the point where they were broken from. A bit of horticulture that Paul’s audience would have been familiar with.

Mosaic covenant. As that is the clear reference in the NT as to what is superseded by the new covenant (Hebrews 8:6-13, 2 corinthians 3:7-11, Hebrews 10:9).

So you would agree then that the wild branches replaced the broken off branches?

Then you will say, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.” That is true. They were broken off because of their unbelief, but you stand fast through faith. So do not become proud, but fear.
Romans 11:19-20 - Bible Gateway passage: Romans 11:19-20 - English Standard Version

If Israel and the church are separate entities, what is the natural tree that the natural branches were broken off and the wild branches were grafted onto? Are the branches that are not on the natural still God’s people, despite unbelief?
 
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OK. And as I have shown, the promise of the land was to Abraham, making the lack of Mosaic covenant irrelevant to the restoration of the land under the New Covenant.

I absolutely agree that the addition of the mosaic covenant does not annul the promises made to Abraham and his offspring.in other words the addition or removal of the mosaic covenant doesn’t affect the promises made to Abraham and his offspring. Paul confirms this:

This is what I mean: the law, which came 430 years afterward, does not annul a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to make the promise void.
Galatians 3:17 - Bible Gateway passage: Galatians 3:17 - English Standard Version

And why doesn’t the addition of the mosaic covenant annul the Abrahamic promises? Because, as Paul makes it absolutely clear, the promises made to Abraham and to his offspring are to Jesus. Thus the land promise is to Jesus. The failure of Israel to obey the mosaic covenant doesn’t affect these promises to Jesus

Now the promises were made to Abraham and to his offspring. It does not say, “And to offsprings,” referring to many, but referring to one, “And to your offspring,” who is Christ.
Galatians 3:16 - Bible Gateway passage: Galatians 3:16 - English Standard Version
 
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So, in other words the literal reading of Joshua 21:34, which clearly and explicitly states God gave all the land that was promised to the fathers, to the nation of Israel is incorrect? The line that "not one of all of the Lord's good promises to the house of Israel failed" is incorrect as well.
This issue has been chewed over before and you still drag it out as though those who point out prophesies about a future time when the Lord's people will finally, occupy all of the holy Land, are liars.
YOU Claninja, are the one who has failed to see the scriptures that show the ancient Israelites never did exclusively occupy all of that area from the Nile to the Euphrates.
Judges 1:19-34 plainly says how many aliens remained there, under vassalage. And Judges 2:20-23 says that the Lord purposely left them there to test the Israelites. A test that they abysmally failed. Including Solomon.

The holy Land will be cleared and cleansed, Deuteronomy 32:34-43, and the Lord's faithful Christian peoples will live there. This will be the culmination of God's Plan to have a people there who will be His witnesses and His Light to the nations.
Great will be that time!
 
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Christ is the singular offspring to whom the plural promises of Abraham were spoken to (galatians 3:16). So the land promise is fulfilled in Christ having all authority over heaven and earth. For if the whole world is his, then the land of Israel is as well.

Next, Scripture never states we have citizenship in the land of Israel. Gentiles are brought near the commonwealth. Thus Gentiles are fellow citizens with the Jews.

Ephesians 2:11-13 Therefore remember that formerly you who are Gentiles in the flesh and called uncircumcised by the so-called circumcision (that done in the body by human hands)— remember that at that time you were separate from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers to the covenants of the promise, without hope and without God in the world. But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near through the blood of Christ.

And where exactly is the citizenship/commonwealth of Israel: in heaven

Philippians 3:20 But our citizenship is in heaven, and we eagerly await a Savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ,

Galatian 4:25-26 Now Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia;e she corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children. But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother.

Hebrews 12:22 But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to innumerable angels in festal gathering
Hello,
Yes, the promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed (Christ ), and the land is one of the promises, also one of the promise is Abraham's children will dwell there as well (Israel and Gentiles )...Genesis 17:5....I have made you (Abraham ) a father of many nations...
So, in order to belong to the land you (Israel and Gentiles ) must be Abraham seed, Galatians 3:29...If you belong to Christ (seed), then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise...

Yes, the whole earth belong to the Lord...because He created it..BUT Israel is Holy to the Lord because He chose it...a Holy nation...the only nation mentioned in the bible is Holy to the Lord...Exodus 19:6, 1 Peter 2:9 etc

Philippians 3:20...but our citizenship is in heaven. And we eagerly await a Savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ.

  • As I mentioned earlier that we must belong to Christ in order to belong to the land or heirs of the promise... Galatians 3:29
  • So we belong to Christ by belong or part of His family (Christ husband, Church or heavenly Jerusalem-bride)
  • The location of the Church or the heavenly Jerusalem HERE on Earth is Mount Zion in Israel..
As you quoted already from Hebrews 12:22,23...But you have come to Mount Zion, the City of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem.
You have come to thousands upon thousands of angels in joyful assembly, the Church of the firstborn, whose name are written in heaven...

So, Mount Zion in Israel is the place on earth where the heavenly Jerusalem or the Holy City will be sitting Revelation 21...and also where his people will be (church-both Israel and gentiles ).



 
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Now the promises were made to Abraham and to his offspring. It does not say, “And to offsprings,” referring to many, but referring to one, “And to your offspring,” who is Christ.
Galatians 3:16 - Bible Gateway passage: Galatians 3:16 - English Standard Version

Whoa, have to correct you here on some basic language. The word offspring is both singular and plural, so you cannot leap to Christ being a singular reference here.
'Offsprings' does not exist in English, the plural IS offspring.

offspring
noun
  1. a person's child or children.
    "the offspring of middle-class parents"
    • an animal's young.
    • the product or result of something.
      "German nationalism was the offspring of military ambition
 
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This issue has been chewed over before and you still drag it out as though those who point out prophesies about a future time when the Lord's people will finally, occupy all of the holy Land, are liars.

Not one person on this entire forum has been able to provide scripture from the NT that explicitly and clearly states land restoration to the physical land of Israel is a part of the new covenant.

In fact all those posting on here seem to ignore the OP and switch the topic.

YOU Claninja, are the one who has failed to see the scriptures that show the ancient Israelites never did exclusively occupy all of that area from the Nile to the Euphrates.
Judges 1:19-34 plainly says how many aliens remained there, under vassalage. And Judges 2:20-23 says that the Lord purposely left them there to test the Israelites. A test that they abysmally failed. Including Solomon.

What scripture promises that it would only "exclusively" be Israelites living in the land of Israel under the mosaic covenant? Aren't there multiple OT laws that have to do with how to treat foreigners who reside among the Israelites in the land? Leviticus 19:33-34 is just one that comes to mind.


Scripture states the complete polar opposite of you. It literally states that God gave ALL THE LAND he had sworn to their fathers to Israel and they possessed it. Should we trust your argument, which his polar opposite of scripture?

Joshua 21:43 Thus the LORD gave Israel all the land He had sworn to give their fathers, and they took possession of it and settled there.

Additionally, scripture even states that Solomon had dominion from the border of Egypt to the Euphrates, which is what was promised.

1 kings 4:21-24 And Solomon reigned over all the kingdoms from the Euphrates to the land of the Philistines, as far as the border of Egypt. These kingdoms offered tribute and served Solomon all the days of his life.
Solomon’s provisions for a single day were thirty corsb of fine flour, sixty corsc of meal, ten fat oxen, twenty range oxen, and a hundred sheep, as well as deer, gazelles, roebucks, and fattened poultry. For Solomon had dominion over everything west of the Euphratesd —over all the kingdoms from Tiphsah to Gaza—and he had peace on all sides

The holy Land will be cleared and cleansed, Deuteronomy 32:34-43, and the Lord's faithful Christian peoples will live there. This will be the culmination of God's Plan to have a people there who will be His witnesses and His Light to the nations.
Great will be that time!

The land was cleared and cleansed in order to be given its sabbath rests as prescribed by the mosaic covenant.

2 chronicles 36:21 So the land enjoyed its Sabbath rest all the days of the desolation, until seventy years were completed, in fulfillment of the word of the LORD through Jeremiah.

So where is land restoration found in the new covenant?
 
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Yes, the promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed (Christ ), and the land is one of the promises, also one of the promise is Abraham's children will dwell there as well (Israel and Gentiles )...Genesis 17:5....I have made you (Abraham ) a father of many nations...
So, in order to belong to the land you (Israel and Gentiles ) must be Abraham seed, Galatians 3:29...If you belong to Christ (seed), then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise...

What NT verse states Israel and gentiles will be restored to the present physical land of Israel to substantiate your interpretation?

I would argue that as Christ was made Lord and given all authority over heaven and earth (matthew 28:18), and given all dominion (Ephesians 1:20-21), at his resurrection and ascension to heaven, then it is in heaven, and not on the present physical land of Israel, that the believer is co-heir with Christ with and his authority.

I still have found no NT verse that promises land restoration to the present land of Israel under the new covenant.

Yes, the whole earth belong to the Lord...because He created it..BUT Israel is Holy to the Lord because He chose it...a Holy nation...the only nation mentioned in the bible is Holy to the Lord...Exodus 19:6, 1 Peter 2:9 etc

I agree. And where is Jesus currently in that the earth, which includes the land of Israel, is His?

Philippians 3:20...but our citizenship is in heaven. And we eagerly await a Savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ.

  • As I mentioned earlier that we must belong to Christ in order to belong to the land or heirs of the promise... Galatians 3:29
  • So we belong to Christ by belong or part of His family (Christ husband, Church or heavenly Jerusalem-bride)
  • The location of the Church or the heavenly Jerusalem HERE on Earth is Mount Zion in Israel..
As you quoted already from Hebrews 12:22,23...But you have come to Mount Zion, the City of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem.
You have come to thousands upon thousands of angels in joyful assembly, the Church of the firstborn, whose name are written in heaven...

So, Mount Zion in Israel is the place on earth where the heavenly Jerusalem or the Holy City will be sitting Revelation 21...and also where his people will be (church-both Israel and gentiles ).

I actually agree with a lot of this. The Heavenly Jerusalem is the New covenant with all those who are in Christ.

But I would disagree that the mount zion referred to in the passage is the literal place in present day Israel, for the author of Hebrews specifically states that you have NOT come to a mountain that can be TOUCHED.

Hebrews 12:18 For you have not come to a mountain that can be touched and that is burning with fire; to darkness, gloom, and storm.

I would argue the temple in Ezekiel is the body of Christ in the New covenant. This is where God dwells with His people forever. This is where the soles of his feet are and the place of his throne is

Ezekiel 43:7 and He said to me, “Son of man, this is the place of My throne and the place for the soles of My feet, where I will dwell among the Israelites forever

So where is God's footstool? Earth. Where is God's throne? Heaven.
Thus the Ezekiel temple is the body of Christ in the new covenant that consists of those who are in the flesh on earth and those who have ascended to heaven. Thus God dwells with us forever, whether in the body on earth or home with the Lord in heaven.

Isaiah 66:1 This is what the LORD says: “Heaven is My throne,
and earth is My footstool. What kind of house will you build for Me?

we can confirm this by using scripture to interpret scripture.

1.) Both the New Jerusalem and the Body of Christ are the Bride of the lamb

Revelation 20:9-10 Then came one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls full of the seven last plagues and spoke to me, saying, “Come, I will show you the Bride, the wife of the Lamb.” And he carried me away in the Spirit to a great, high mountain, and showed me the holy city Jerusalem coming down out of heaven from God,

Ephesians 5:31-32 Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.” This mystery is profound, and I am saying that it refers to Christ and the church.

2.)Both the New Jerusalem and the Body of Christ are built on the foundations of the prophets

Revelation 21:14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and on them were the twelve names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.

Ephesians 2:20 built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone

3.) Both the New Jerusalem and the Body of Christ are where God dwells with his people.
Revelation 21:3 Behold, the dwelling place of God is with man. He will dwell with them, and they will be his people, and God himself will be with them as their God

Ephesians 2:21 In him you also are being built together into a dwelling place for God by the Spirit.

2 Corinthians 6:16 What agreement has the temple of God with idols? For we are the temple of the living God; as God said, “I will make my dwelling among them and walk among them, and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

4.) Both the New Jerusalem and the Ezekiel temple having water flowing from them
Revelation 22:1-2 Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, bright as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb through the middle of the street of the city.

Ezekiel 47:1-2 Then he brought me back to the door of the temple, and behold, water was issuing from below the threshold of the temple toward the east (for the temple faced east). The water was flowing down from below the south end of the threshold of the temple, south of the altar

5.) Both the New Jerusalem and the Ezekiel temple have trees growing on either side of the river producing fruit every month and have leaves for healing

Ezekiel 47:12 And on the banks, on both sides of the river, there will grow all kinds of trees for food. Their leaves will not wither, nor their fruit fail, but they will bear fresh fruit every month, because the water for them flows from the sanctuary. Their fruit will be for food, and their leaves for healing.”

Revelation 22:2 On either side of the river stood a tree of life, bearing twelve kinds of fruit and yielding a fresh crop for each month. And the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations.

6.) Both the New Jerusalem and the Ezekiel temple are where God's throne is

Revelation 22:3 No longer will there be any curse. The throne of God and of the Lamb will be within the city, and His servants will worship Him

Ezekiel 43:6-7 While the man was standing beside me, I heard someone speaking to me from inside the temple, and He said to me, “Son of man, this is the place of My throne and the place for the soles of My feet, where I will dwell among the Israelites forever.

7.) Both the New Jerusalem and the Jerusalem of the Ezekiel temple have 12 gates (3 on each side) with the names of the 12 tribes of Israel.

Revelation 21:12-13 The city had a great and high wall with twelve gates inscribed with the names of the twelve tribes of Israel, and twelve angels at the gates. There were three gates on the east, three on the north, three on the south, and three on the west.

Ezekiel 48:33-35 These will be the exits of the city: Beginning on the north side, which measures 4,500 cubits long, the gates of the city will be named after the tribes of Israel. On the north side there will be three gates: the gate of Reuben, the gate of Judah, and the gate of Levi.
On the east side, which will be 4,500 cubits long, there will be three gates: the gate of Joseph, the gate of Benjamin, and the gate of Dan. On the south side, which will be 4,500 cubits long, there will be three gates: the gate of Simeon, the gate of Issachar, and the gate of Zebulun. And on the west side, which will be 4,500 cubits long, there will be three gates: the gate of Gad, the gate of Asher, and the gate of Naphtali. The perimeter of the city will be 18,000 cubitsh , and the name of the city from that day on will be: THE LORD IS THERE.”
 
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This issue has been chewed over before and you still drag it out as though those who point out prophesies about a future time when the Lord's people will finally, occupy all of the holy Land, are liars.
The holy Land will be cleared and cleansed, Deuteronomy 32:34-43, and the Lord's faithful Christian peoples will live there. This will be the culmination of God's Plan to have a people there who will be His witnesses and His Light to the nations.
Great will be that time!
Both the Land and Temple were cleansed in the 70AD holocaust in Jerusalem.........

The Preterist Gap

John 2:
14 and He found in the Temple those selling oxen and sheep and doves, and the money-changers sitting,
15 and having made a whip<5416> of small cords, He put all forth out of the Temple, also the sheep, and the oxen;
and of the money-changers he poured out the coins, and the tables he overthrew,
[Nahum 3:2/Reve 18:11-13]

Final cleansing in 70AD

Revelation 18:
11 And the merchants of the land are lamenting and are mourning over Her,
that their cargo no-one is buying not-still

13 and cinnamon and incenses and attars and frankincense
and wine and oil and flour and grain
and beasts and sheep
and of horses and of chariots
and of bodies and souls of men.
[Nahum 3:2/John 2:14]
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Eze 20:38
I will purge the rebels from among you, and those who transgress against Me; I will bring them out of the country where they dwell, but they shall not enter the land of Israel. Then you will know that I am the LORD.

Ezekiel 39:…11And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will give Gog a noted place for a sepulchre in Israel: the valley of the passengers on the east of the sea, which shall cause astonishment in them that pass by: and there shall they bury Gog, and all his multitude, and it shall be called the valley of the multitude of Gog. 12And the house of Israel shall bury them for seven months to cleanse the land.
13And all the people of the land shall bury him, and it shall be unto them a noted day, wherein I was glorified, saith the Lord God.…
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According to Ezekiel 39, it took 7 months to cleanse and bury them after the end of the 7yr 1st century Jewish Rebellion in Israel that killed myriads of Jews [1 million alone in Jerusalem/Judeah]?

Visual Timeline of the Roman-Jewish War ARTchive @ PreteristArchive.com, The Internet's Only Balanced Look at Preterist Eschatology and Preterism
"..probably the greatest single slaughter in ancient history."
ROMAN SIEGE AND SACK OF JERUSALEM

The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD
Proof that Matthew 24 was fully fulfilled in 70 AD!
Also see:
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The Temple now presented little more than a heap of ruins ; and the Roman army as in triumph on the event, came and reared their ensigns against a fragment of the eastern gate, and, with sacrifices of thanksgiving, proclaimed the imperial majesty of Titus, with every possible demonstration of joy.

Of the Jews destroyed during the siege, Josephus reckons not less than ONE MILLION AND ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND, to which must be added, above TWO-HUNDRED AND THIRTY-SEVEN THOUSAND who perished in other places, and innumerable multitudes who were swept away by famine, and pestilence, and of which no calculation could be made. Not less than two thousand laid violent hands upon themselves. Of the captives the whole was about NINETY-SEVEN THOUSAND. Of the Two great leaders of the Jews, who had both been made prisoners, John was doomed to a dungeon for life ; while Simon, together with John, in triumph at Rome was scourged, and put to death as a malefactor.

In executing the command of Titus, relative to the demolition of Jerusalem, the Roman soldiers not only threw down the buildings, but even dug up their foundations, and so completely levelled the whole circuit of the city, that a stranger would scarcely have known that it had ever been inhabited by human beings. Thus was this great City, which only five months before, had been crowded with nearly two millions of people, who gloried in its impregnable strength, entirely depopulated, and levelled with the ground. And thus, also was our LORD'S prediction, that her enemies should "lay her even with the ground," and "should not leave in her one stone upon another, " (Luke xix. 44.) most strikingly and fully accomplished ! -- This fact is confirmed by Eusebius, who asserts that he himself saw the city lying in ruins ; and Josephus introduces Eleazer as exclaiming "Where is our great city, which, it was believed, GOD inhabited ? It is altogether rooted and torn up from its foundations ; and the only monument of it that remains, is the camp of its destroyers pitched amidst its reliques !"
 
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Whoa, have to correct you here on some basic language. The word offspring is both singular and plural, so you cannot leap to Christ being a singular reference here.

I wasn't aware that the Bible was originally written in the English language.

Interestingly enough, in the Hebrew language, in which the Bible was originally written, there are plural and singular forms of offspring. Additionally, in the Greek language (LXX) there are plural and singular forms of offspring.

Hebrew:


זַרְעֲכֶ֔ם- Plural
Singluar - לְזַרְעֲךָ֗

Greek

σπέρματι - Singular
σπέρμασιν - Plural

In both the Hebrew manuscripts and the Septuagint, offspring is in the singular form in regards to the recipient of the promises of Abraham. Thus the promises are to a singular seed. Paul confirms that the singular form of offspring points to Christ.

Galatians 3:16 Now the promises were made to Abraham and to his offspring. It does not say, “And to offsprings,” referring to many, but referring to one, “And to your offspring,” who is Christ

'Offsprings' does not exist in English, the plural IS offspring.

I agree. But did you know the plural form of Offspring exists in the Hebrew and greek languages, which is what the Bible was originally written in?
 
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Both the Land and Temple were cleansed in the 70AD holocaust in Jerusalem.........
So in your view, destruction and death by war equals cleansing?
That you are wrong is proved by how it took 1900 + years before a part of Israel returned to a small part of the holy Land.

Your preterist notions are hopelessly wrong.
We Christians DO have a future, when the Lord will bless all His faithful people, as they live in peace and prosperity in all of the holy Land.

In the forthcoming cleansing of the holy Land, The whole land will be consumed [by fire] for He will make a sudden and terrible end to all who live in the holy Land. Zephaniah 1:18b
The Land will be desolated and all that lives on it will die, all the animals, birds, even the fishes in the seas. Hosea 4:3
Not happened yet, but wait for the Day!
 
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Not one person on this entire forum has been able to provide scripture from the NT that explicitly and clearly states land restoration to the physical land of Israel is a part of the new covenant.
I HAVE done this. You just either missed it, or ignored it.

The many prophesies that tell about the gathering of His people into all of the holy Land, soon after the Lord has cleared and cleansed that entire area, by His terrible day of fiery wrath; do mostly mention Israel or Israelites, which confuses people who wrongly think the Jewish State of Israel is the only Israel.
But prophesies like Ezekiel 34:11-16, Isaiah 35:1-10, do not mention Israel, they DO support the truth that every faithful Christian will live in peace and prosperity in all of the holy Land during the end times. Also Romans 9:24-26 clearly states that Christians will be called the sons of the Living God, in the same place as ancient Israel was rejected. Isaiah 66:18b-21, Revelation 5:9-10

Scriptural proofs that God’s holy people, the faithful Christians are living in the holy Land before Jesus Returns:

Revelation 13:7 He was allowed to wage war on Gods people and to defeat them....

As described in Zechariah 14:1-2 A day is coming that the Lord will gather armies to make war on Jerusalem and it will be conquered. Half of the people will leave and half must remain.
These two groups of the Christian peoples are shown again in Daniel 11:32 and Revelation 12:14 and 17

Daniel 7:25 ....the holy people will be delivered into his power for 3½ years. Referring to the Anti-Christ leader of the One World Govt.

Daniel 11:27 and 2 Thessalonians 2:4 show that this must take place in the holy Land.
 
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What scripture promises that it would only "exclusively" be Israelites living in the land of Israel under the mosaic covenant? Aren't there multiple OT laws that have to do with how to treat foreigners who reside among the Israelites in the land? Leviticus 19:33-34 is just one that comes to mind.
There is a difference between those foreigners who choose to join Israel, [or become Christian] and become true believers; Israelites by faith.
Or; those people groups who keep to their own religions and cause disruption and backsliding among the Israelites.

I view your picking on this issue as a red herring.
Additionally, scripture even states that Solomon had dominion from the border of Egypt to the Euphrates, which is what was promised.
Sure he did.
But many other people groups lived there too and Solomon married foreign wives, who led him astray, to his eternal shame.
So where is land restoration found in the new covenant?
Jeremiah 30 to 33 consists of prophesies that remain unfulfilled, incl the New Covenant; Jeremiah 31:31-34, and the restoration of the holy Land with all of His faithful people living there. Jeremiah 33:1-26
In these prophesies, it is Judah and Israel mentioned, but since Jesus came ethnicity has no bearing on who is a true Israelite. FAITH in Jesus, belief in God and keeping the Commandments are the ONLY criteria. Ephesians 2:11-18

Note in Jeremiah 33:3 If you call to Me, I shall answer and tell you about great and mysterious things, about which you are still unaware.
 
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LittleLambofJesus said:
Both the Land and Temple were cleansed in the 70AD holocaust in Jerusalem.....
So in your view, destruction and death by war equals cleansing?That you are wrong is proved by how it took 1900 + years before a part of Israel returned to a small part of the holy Land.
Yep..thus saith the LORD concerning 1st century Jerusalem:

Luke 21:
22 That days of vengeance<1557> these are, of the to be fulfilled<4130> all the having been written
23 “But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days!
For there will be great Distress in the land and Wrath upon this people.

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Revelation 6:6
And I hear a voice in midst of the four living-ones saying: "measure of grain/wheat a denari and three measures of barley a denari, and the oil and the wine no you should be injuring".


The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD
.........Meanwhile the horrors of famine grew still more melancholy and afflictive.
At the recital of this melancholy and affecting occurrence, the whole city stood aghast, and poured forth their congratulations on those whom death had hurried away from such heartrending scenes.[Revelation 9:3]
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Revelation 9:6
And in those days the men shall be seeking the death, and not no shall be finding it;
and shall be desiring/yearning<1937> to be dying, and the death is fleeing from them.


Revelation 18:8
Thru this in one day shall be arriving<2240> Her blows, death and sorrow<3997> and famine<3042>.
And in fire She shall be utterly burned,

that strong Lord the GOD, the One judging Her.
 
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I HAVE done this. You just either missed it, or ignored it.

The many prophesies that tell about the gathering of His people into all of the holy Land, soon after the Lord has cleared and cleansed that entire area, by His terrible day of fiery wrath; do mostly mention Israel or Israelites, which confuses people who wrongly think the Jewish State of Israel is the only Israel.
But prophesies like Ezekiel 34:11-16, Isaiah 35:1-10, do not mention Israel, they DO support the truth that every faithful Christian will live in peace and prosperity in all of the holy Land during the end times.

OT verses are not the NT. These verse are both from pre-exilic prophets. Per OP, Please provide NT passages that clearly and specifically mention land restoration for God's people under the new covenant.

Also Romans 9:24-26 clearly states that Christians will be called the sons of the Living God, in the same place as ancient Israel was rejected.

This was already fulfilled the 1st century. God declared gentiles his people to Peter in Joppa, which was in the land of Israel.

Acts 10:1-3 At Caesarea there was a man named Cornelius, a centurion in what was called the Italian Regiment. He and all his household were devout and God-fearing. He gave generously to the people and prayed to God regularly. One day at about the ninth hour,a he had a clear vision of an angel of God who came to him and said, “Cornelius!

Acts 10:5 Now send men to Joppa to call for a man named Simon who is called Peter

Acts 10:15 The voice spoke to him a second time: “Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.”

Acts 10:34 Then Peter began to speak: “I now truly understand that God does not show favoritism, but welcomes those from every nation who fear Him and do what is right.


OT, pre-exilic prophet, not NT scripture.


These verses do not mention land restoration.

Revelation 5:9-10 And they sang a new song: “Worthy are You to take the scroll and open its seals, because You were slain, and by Your blood You purchased for God those from every tribe and tongue and people and nation. You have made them into a kingdom, priests to serve our God,and they will reignb upon the earth.”

Scriptural proofs that God’s holy people, the faithful Christians are living in the holy Land before Jesus Returns:

Revelation 13:7 He was allowed to wage war on Gods people and to defeat them....

That verse states nothing about land restoration being a part of the new covenant.

As described in Zechariah 14:1-2 A day is coming that the Lord will gather armies to make war on Jerusalem and it will be conquered. Half of the people will leave and half must remain.
These two groups of the Christian peoples are shown again in Daniel 11:32 and Revelation 12:14 and 17

Daniel 7:25 ....the holy people will be delivered into his power for 3½ years. Referring to the Anti-Christ leader of the One World Govt.

Daniel 11:27 and 2 Thessalonians 2:4 show that this must take place in the holy Land.

The OP is not if there are people living in the promise land prior to the coming of Christ. The OP is where is land restoration mentioned as a part of the new covenant.

You, nor anyone else on this forum, has provided one verse from the NT that clearly or explicitly mentions land restoration as a part of the new covenant for God's people.
 
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This was already fulfilled the 1st century. God declared gentiles his people to Peter in Joppa, which was in the land of Israel.
Romans 9:24-26 is talking about ALL Christians, we all achieve righteousness through our faith. Romans 9:30
We will gather in all of the holy Land, to be the people God always wanted there, but has never yet had. It is the culmination of the whole story from Abraham. John sees us there in Revelation 7:9; the people who stood strong in their faith through the disaster of the Sixth Seal. Revelation 7:14
Do you think the holy Land is no longer of any consequence?

The New Covenant as described in Jeremiah 31:30-40 DOES promise Land restoration.
Jeremiah 31:38 The days are coming, when Jerusalem will be rebuilt to the Lords honor..
 
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What NT verse states Israel and gentiles will be restored to the present physical land of Israel to substantiate your interpretation?

I would argue that as Christ was made Lord and given all authority over heaven and earth (matthew 28:18), and given all dominion (Ephesians 1:20-21), at his resurrection and ascension to heaven, then it is in heaven, and not on the present physical land of Israel, that the believer is co-heir with Christ with and his authority.

I still have found no NT verse that promises land restoration to the present land of Israel under the new covenant.



I agree. And where is Jesus currently in that the earth, which includes the land of Israel, is His?



I actually agree with a lot of this. The Heavenly Jerusalem is the New covenant with all those who are in Christ.

But I would disagree that the mount zion referred to in the passage is the literal place in present day Israel, for the author of Hebrews specifically states that you have NOT come to a mountain that can be TOUCHED.

Hebrews 12:18 For you have not come to a mountain that can be touched and that is burning with fire; to darkness, gloom, and storm.

I would argue the temple in Ezekiel is the body of Christ in the New covenant. This is where God dwells with His people forever. This is where the soles of his feet are and the place of his throne is

Ezekiel 43:7 and He said to me, “Son of man, this is the place of My throne and the place for the soles of My feet, where I will dwell among the Israelites forever

So where is God's footstool? Earth. Where is God's throne? Heaven.
Thus the Ezekiel temple is the body of Christ in the new covenant that consists of those who are in the flesh on earth and those who have ascended to heaven. Thus God dwells with us forever, whether in the body on earth or home with the Lord in heaven.

Isaiah 66:1 This is what the LORD says: “Heaven is My throne,
and earth is My footstool. What kind of house will you build for Me?

we can confirm this by using scripture to interpret scripture.

1.) Both the New Jerusalem and the Body of Christ are the Bride of the lamb

Revelation 20:9-10 Then came one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls full of the seven last plagues and spoke to me, saying, “Come, I will show you the Bride, the wife of the Lamb.” And he carried me away in the Spirit to a great, high mountain, and showed me the holy city Jerusalem coming down out of heaven from God,

Ephesians 5:31-32 Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.” This mystery is profound, and I am saying that it refers to Christ and the church.

2.)Both the New Jerusalem and the Body of Christ are built on the foundations of the prophets

Revelation 21:14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and on them were the twelve names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.

Ephesians 2:20 built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone

3.) Both the New Jerusalem and the Body of Christ are where God dwells with his people.
Revelation 21:3 Behold, the dwelling place of God is with man. He will dwell with them, and they will be his people, and God himself will be with them as their God

Ephesians 2:21 In him you also are being built together into a dwelling place for God by the Spirit.

2 Corinthians 6:16 What agreement has the temple of God with idols? For we are the temple of the living God; as God said, “I will make my dwelling among them and walk among them, and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

4.) Both the New Jerusalem and the Ezekiel temple having water flowing from them
Revelation 22:1-2 Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, bright as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb through the middle of the street of the city.

Ezekiel 47:1-2 Then he brought me back to the door of the temple, and behold, water was issuing from below the threshold of the temple toward the east (for the temple faced east). The water was flowing down from below the south end of the threshold of the temple, south of the altar

5.) Both the New Jerusalem and the Ezekiel temple have trees growing on either side of the river producing fruit every month and have leaves for healing

Ezekiel 47:12 And on the banks, on both sides of the river, there will grow all kinds of trees for food. Their leaves will not wither, nor their fruit fail, but they will bear fresh fruit every month, because the water for them flows from the sanctuary. Their fruit will be for food, and their leaves for healing.”

Revelation 22:2 On either side of the river stood a tree of life, bearing twelve kinds of fruit and yielding a fresh crop for each month. And the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations.

6.) Both the New Jerusalem and the Ezekiel temple are where God's throne is

Revelation 22:3 No longer will there be any curse. The throne of God and of the Lamb will be within the city, and His servants will worship Him

Ezekiel 43:6-7 While the man was standing beside me, I heard someone speaking to me from inside the temple, and He said to me, “Son of man, this is the place of My throne and the place for the soles of My feet, where I will dwell among the Israelites forever.

7.) Both the New Jerusalem and the Jerusalem of the Ezekiel temple have 12 gates (3 on each side) with the names of the 12 tribes of Israel.

Revelation 21:12-13 The city had a great and high wall with twelve gates inscribed with the names of the twelve tribes of Israel, and twelve angels at the gates. There were three gates on the east, three on the north, three on the south, and three on the west.

Ezekiel 48:33-35 These will be the exits of the city: Beginning on the north side, which measures 4,500 cubits long, the gates of the city will be named after the tribes of Israel. On the north side there will be three gates: the gate of Reuben, the gate of Judah, and the gate of Levi.
On the east side, which will be 4,500 cubits long, there will be three gates: the gate of Joseph, the gate of Benjamin, and the gate of Dan. On the south side, which will be 4,500 cubits long, there will be three gates: the gate of Simeon, the gate of Issachar, and the gate of Zebulun. And on the west side, which will be 4,500 cubits long, there will be three gates: the gate of Gad, the gate of Asher, and the gate of Naphtali. The perimeter of the city will be 18,000 cubitsh , and the name of the city from that day on will be: THE LORD IS THERE.”
Hello, just a couple of points...
  • Hebrews 12:18...is referring to mount Sinai, NOT mount Zion...

I think you've Already found the answer to your Own question in OP, "whether the land restoration part of the new covenant " ....According to the verse you quote in Ezekiel 43:7..(As the Lord said to the prophet Ezekiel)...He said "Son of man, this is the place of My throne and place for the soles of My feet. This is where I live among the Israelites forever...

By linking the Body of Christ which is the Church in the New Covenant to the temple in Ezekiel 43 as referring to the Same thing also you have 7points to support your interpretation....

You have put the location of the Body of Christ (Church) or the New Jerusalem to the location of the Temple in Ezekiel 43...Which is in Israel....
 
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