What about Daniel 9

How much of Daniel was fulfilled in the 1st century?
Verses I have on another thread..........

Where is the Evidence of a Gap in the 70 weeks of Dan 9?
Dan 9:24
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Where is the Evidence of a Gap in the 70 weeks of Dan 9?
Dan 9:25

Where is the Evidence of a Gap in the 70 weeks of Dan 9?
Dan 9:26

Daniel 9:27
and a covenant<2285> he has mastery/strength<1396> to many ones<7227>, one 7,

and half/midst of the 7 he shall cause to cease<7673> sacrifice<2077> and present<4503>,

and on a wing<3671> of abominations<8251> one making desolate<8074> and unto finish<3617>

and one being decided shall be poured forth<5413> on one being desolate<8074>

Daniel 9 - Apostolic Bible Polyglot Greek-English Interlinear

9:27 2532 και And 1412 δυναμώσει he shall strengthen 1242 διαθήκην covenant 4183 πολλοίς with many 1439.1 εβδομάς [2period of sevens 1520 μία 1one]; 2532 και and 1722 εν in 3588 τω the 2255 ημίσει half 3588 της of the 1439.1 εβδομάδος period of seven 142 αρθήσεται shall be lifted away 2378 θυσία sacrifice 2532 και and 4700.2 σπονδή libation offering, 2532 και and 1909 επί upon 3588 το the 2413 ιερόν temple 946 βδέλυγμα an abomination 3588 των of the 2050 ερημώσεων desolations 1510.8.3 έσται will be; 2532 και and 2193 έως until 3588 της the 4930 συντελείας completion 2540 καιρού of time, 4930 συντέλεια completion 1325 δοθήσεται shall be given 1909 επί unto 3588 την the 2050 ερήμωσιν desolation.

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H1396 גּבר - Strong's Hebrew Lexicon

1396 gabar gaw-bar' a primitive root; to be strong; by implication, to prevail, act insolently:--exceed, confirm, be great, be mighty, prevail, put to more (strength), strengthen, be stronger, be valiant.

1. to prevail, have strength, be strong, be powerful, be mighty, be great
a. (Qal)
1. to be strong, mighty
2. to prevail
b. (Piel) to make strong, strengthen
c. (Hiphil)
1. to confirm, give strength
2. to confirm (a covenant)
d. (Hithpael)
1. to show oneself mighty
2. to act proudly (toward God)
Origin: a primitive root
TWOT: 310
Parts of Speech: Verb
TBESH:
גָּבַר
ga.var
H:V
to prevail
1) to prevail, have strength, be strong, be powerful, be mighty, be great
1a) (Qal)
1a1) to be strong, mighty
1a2) to prevail
1b) (Piel) to make strong, strengthen
1c) (Hiphil)
1c1) to confirm, give strength
1c2) to confirm (a covenant)
1d) (Hithpael)
1d1) to show oneself mighty
1d2) to act proudly (toward God)
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All of Daniel 9 fulfilled in 1st century?

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Douggg said: ↑The rules currently prohibit the full preterist view, but should be expanded to include partial preterism.

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BABerean2 said:

Unless the second Jewish temple is still standing, Christ was a "Partial-Preterist" in the Olivet Discourse.
Do you think the Olivet Discourse should be eliminated from our discussion?
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[Also BAB, could you please vote?

CF SOP:
Partial Preterism: Partial preterism holds that most eschatological prophecies, such as the destruction of Jerusalem, the Antichrists, the Great Tribulation, and the advent of the Day of the Lord as a "judgment-coming" of Christ, were fulfilled either in AD 70 or during the persecution of Christians under the Emperor Nero.
The Second coming and the resurrection of the dead, however, have not yet occurred in the partial preterist system.

BABerean2 said:

Daniel Chapter 9: Dr. Kelly Varner

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Another commentary:

Daniel 9:24-27 Commentary: Daniel 9 Miraculously Fulfilled! - Revelation Revolution

Daniel 9:24-27 Commentary: Daniel 9 Miraculously Fulfilled!

Evidence of the Divine: The Miraculous Fulfillment of Daniel 9!
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Fulfilled! Daniel 9:24-27 Commentary: Summary and Highlights

In the following preterist commentary on Daniel 9:24-27, every prophecy is explained and found to be literally fulfilled.

While praying for Israel’s forgiveness an angel revealed to Daniel the year in which God would forgive the sins of his people.1 Then in Daniel 9:26-27, the angel goes on to accurately foretell of events concerning Israel’s seven-year long war with Rome (Iyyar of A.D. 66 to the fall of Masada on Passover of A.D. 74): “The people of the ruler who will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. . . . He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’ In the middle of the ‘seven’ he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on a wing of the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation. . . .” During this war, the Roman army destroyed Jerusalem and its sanctuary forever putting “an end to sacrifice and offering.” Then in fulfillment of Daniel 9:27, the Romans worshiped Caesar in the Temple.

The following may seem unbelievable. However, all information is taken from unbiased historical records and is easily verifiable. Sources listed at the end.


The burning of Jerusalem and its Temple in A.D. 70

Evidence of the Divine: The Miraculous Fulfillment of Daniel 9!


24“Seventy ‘sevens’ are decreed for your people and your holy city to finish transgression, to put an end to sin, to atone for wickedness, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal both vision and prophecy and to anoint the most holy.

Fulfilled! A Realized Eschatological View and Commentary of Daniel 9:24: The Meaning of the Seventy Sevens of Daniel 9:24 . . .
The units used in this chapter are years. Therefore, the sevens in this verse are seven years.2 Ancient Jews charted time with two separate calendars, one dictated by the moon’s rotation around the earth and the other by the earth’s rotation around the sun.3 The months of the lunar year alternate between twenty-nine and thirty days with twelve months in a year. Thus each year averaged 354 days. In order to prevent seasonal overlap, approximately every three years another month was added to the calendar. The Jews also appeared to have used another slightly more accurate calendar. This solar calendar had twelve months each with thirty days for a total of 360 days in a year. This 360 day solar calendar is sometimes called the prophetic calendar because of its occasional implicit appearance in the Bible (Genesis 7:11,24; 8:3-4; Daniel 7:25; Revelation 11:2-3; 12:6; 13:5-7). This 360 day solar calendar year was also used in ancient Egypt and Babylon, two countries in which Jews spent considerable time. It seems that the Jews may have adopted this calendar from Egypt or possibly earlier from Abraham who was from Ur of the Chaldees (Babylon). Recall that Daniel wrote this chapter as a Jewish exile in Babylon. Coincidence? This 360 day solar calendar was used by two major Jewish sects: the Samaritans and the Essenes.4 As will be shown shortly, I believe Daniel is about to use both of these calendars in order to predict the exact year in which God would forgive the sins of the world and thus “bring in everlasting righteousness” as predicted in v. 24 through the forgiveness of sin that comes through faith in Christ (1 Corinthians 1:30).


Velázquez, Diego. Cristo de San Plácido. Museo del Prado.

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Daniel 9:24-27 Commentary: Daniel 9 Miraculously Fulfilled! - Revelation Revolution

In v. 25, Daniel is told that the countdown of the 70 sevens would start at the decree to rebuild Jerusalem. This order was issued by the king Artaxerxes in 444 B.C.5

The central premise of this verse is that the Jewish priests would have 70 X 7 or 490 years from the issuing of the decree to rebuild Jerusalem in which to offer sacrifice “to atone for wickedness.”

According to Leviticus 25:40 after every forty-nine years, the Jewish people were to celebrate a Year of Jubilee. This year was to be announced on the tenth day of the seventh month. This was the Day of Atonement. It was only on this day of the year that the high priest was allowed to enter the Holy of Holies. Once inside, the high priest would sprinkle the blood of a goat and a bull inside the Most Holy Place. This was done as an offering for the sins of Israel (Leviticus 16, Exodus 29). This act would announce the fiftieth year, also known as the Year of Jubilee. During this year, all debts were to be cancelled (Leviticus 25:8-17). The 70 sevens or 490 years are ten Year of Jubilee’s. According to this verse, on the tenth and final Year of Jubilee, God would cancel mankind’s debt of sin, forgiving his people forever.


Jewish high priest

In this prophecy, Daniel reveals the final year in which God would accept the blood of bulls and goats as an offering for the sins of His people. Keep in mind that Daniel is thinking in Jewish years. In this prophecy, Daniel uses the 354 day lunar year. Converting 490 Jewish lunar years into modern years is a simple calculation:



Therefore there are to be 475 years from the decree to rebuild Jerusalem in 444 B.C. until the high priest was to make his final acceptable sacrifice on the Day of Atonement.

475 years – 444 B.C. = A.D. 31.

Because there is no year zero, one year must be added to the total:

A.D. 31 + 1year = A.D. 32

Thus A.D. 32 is the final year in which God would honor the blood of bulls and goats as a sin offering. This would be the final year in which “your people [the Jews] and your holy city [Jerusalem]” were “to atone for wickedness.” As stated earlier, after every 7 X 7 or 49 years there was to be a Year of Jubilee in which all debts were to be cancelled and all slaves were to be set free.6 The Year of Jubilee began on the fiftieth year. Therefore the next year, A.D. 33, was the tenth and final Year of Jubilee. On this special Year of Jubilee, God finally “set the captives free,” canceling the debt of sin that had enslaved humanity since the time of Adam.


Scott, William Bell. The Rending of the Veil. 1869.

What is meant by “anoint the most holy” in v. 24? Because of differences in Daniel 9:24 between various ancient manuscripts there is some debate as to whether what is anointed in Daniel 9:24 is a person, the Messiah, or a place, the Holy of Holies of the Temple. And because of these notable discrepancies in ancient manuscripts some translations of the Bible translate v. 24 in order to suggest that what is anointed is a person and some translate v. 24 so as to refer to Holy of Holies of the Temple.7 Either interpretation is plausible as the Most Holy is a name for the inner sanctuary of the Temple. However, the Messiah is the Anointed One and “the Holy One of God” (Luke 4:34). Furthermore, “’most holy’ is applied to a person at least once elsewhere in the OT (1 Chr 23:13, as accurately translated in the NASB).”8 I believe either translation works well.

According to v. 24, after the high priest had offered the last acceptable animal sacrifice for sin in A.D. 32, a new high priest was to be anointed. The first high priest, Aaron, was anointed with oil before he began his ministry (Exodus 29:1-7). I believe this oil symbolizes the Holy Spirit. Having been anointed with the Holy Spirit (Luke 3:22), Jesus, the new high priest, offered His own blood as a sin offering in A.D. 33, the tenth and final Year of Jubilee. According to the Gospel accounts, immediately after Jesus’ breathed His last, the curtain blocking the entrance to the Most Holy Place was torn (Matthew 27:51). The fact that the curtain had been torn is a sign that Jesus had entered the Most Holy Place something only the high priest was allowed to do (Hebrews 9:7). Having entered the Holy of Holies, Jesus offered his own blood as a permanent sacrifice, one that would not have to be repeated year after year.


Doré, Gustave. The Darkness at the Crucifixion. 1867.

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Daniel 9:24-27 Commentary: Daniel 9 Miraculously Fulfilled! - Revelation Revolution

I believe the anointing of the most holy place in v. 24 may also refer to the anointing of Jesus Christ himself. In John 2:19-21 Jesus refers to His body as the Temple. Perhaps the anointing of the most holy place of the Temple refers to Christ’s anointing when He was crowned with all power and authority upon His ascension into heaven in A.D. 33? Shortly after His death and resurrection, Jesus was taken up to heaven in a cloud (Acts 1:9-11). This same event appears to be described in Daniel 7:13-14:

“In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence. He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all nations and peoples of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed.

In Daniel 7:13-14 Jesus is led into the presence of God on a cloud to receive His kingdom. As implied by the fact that Jesus entered heaven in a cloud in Acts 1:9-11, the anointing of Christ mentioned in Daniel 7:13-14 appears to have occurred immediately after Jesus’ death, resurrection and subsequent ascension in A.D. 33 (Acts 7:55).9

During this final Year of Jubilee, the Messiah had fulfilled the hope of the prophets freeing mankind from their bondage to sin and bringing forgiveness to all God’s people both past, present and future. This perfect sacrifice had fulfilled the prophetic meaning of the Law making the continued practice of animal sacrifice obsolete, redundant and meaningless. But did Jesus actually die in A.D. 33? In the next verse, Daniel uses the Jewish solar calendar to predict the year of the Messiah’s death.

But before discussing this verse, let us first turn our attention to what is meant in v. 24 by the phrase “to seal both vision and prophecy”? According to v. 24 vision and prophecy were to remain sealed during the 490 Jewish years mentioned above. What does this mean? There are some preterists who believe that the seventy-sevens were fulfilled in A.D. 70. These preterists then use the sealing of vision and prophecy in v. 24 at the end of the seventy-sevens as evidence of this view generally without offering any Biblical evidence to support this contention. Interestingly, the expression “to seal vision and prophecy” and related expressions used elsewhere in the Bible has nothing to do at all with the fulfillment of prophecy. As will be shown below, when v. 24 says to “seal both vision and prophecy” this expression refers to the sealing of the scroll which was presumably the source of all Daniel’s prophetic visions. This scroll was sealed at the end of the Book of Daniel and opened at the time of the end. Daniel 12:4 reads, “Daniel, roll up and seal the words of the scroll until the time of the end.” This scroll remained sealed until the time of the end when it was finally opened by the sacrificial Lamb at the beginning of Revelation. The opening of the scroll sealed at the end of the Book of Daniel was opened by Jesus after His sacrificial death as implied in Revelation 5:1-9:

Then I saw in the right hand of him who sat on the throne a scroll with writing on both sides and sealed with seven seals. And I saw a mighty angel proclaiming in a loud voice, “Who is worthy to break the seals and open the scroll?” But no one in heaven or on earth or under the earth could open the scroll or even look inside it. I wept and wept because no one was found who was worthy to open the scroll or look inside. Then one of the elders said to me, “Do not weep! See, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has triumphed. He is able to open the scroll and its seven seals.” Then I saw a Lamb, looking as if it had been slain, standing at the center of the throne, encircled by the four living creatures and the elders. The Lamb had seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God sent out into all the earth. He went and took the scroll from the right hand of him who sat on the throne. And when he had taken it, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb. Each one had a harp and they were holding golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of God’s people. And they sang a new song, saying: “You are worthy to take the scroll and to open its seals, because you were slain, and with your blood you purchased for God persons from every tribe and language and people and nation.

In the verses above one can see that the scroll which is also the source of the visions of Revelation was opened around the time of Jesus’ sacrificial death and as a consequence of this act. It is the opening of this scroll which was sealed at the end of the Book of Daniel and whose seals were broken at the start of Revelation which is referred to in the sealing of vision and prophecy in Daniel 9:24. Recall that Daniel 12:4 and 12:9 say that the scroll that was the source of Daniel’s visons throughout the Book of Daniel was to remain sealed until the time of the end. In fulfillment of Daniel 12:4 and 12:9, the remaining information in the heavenly scroll mentioned in Daniel 12 remained sealed or unrevealed until this prophetic information was later revealed to the Apostle John at the time of the end. The remaining information of the scroll sealed at the end of the Book of Daniel was opened by Jesus Christ in Revelation 5-6 and subsequently came to compose John’s series of visions recorded in the Book of Revelation.

According to Revelation 5:1-9, it was Jesus’ sacrificial death in A.D. 33 that qualified Him to open the scroll which presumably was opened at around the time of His death, though the resulting plagues that resulted from the opening of the scroll did not begin to transpire until the Jewish War. The fact that the scroll sealed at the end of the Book of Daniel is the same scroll opened in Revelation 6 is evidenced by the fact that the symbolism and messages recorded in the Book of Daniel and the Book of Revelation are so similar that both books appear to be something like two parts of the same book. As stated above, the scroll mentioned in Daniel and Revelation appears to have been opened shortly after the death of Christ in A.D. 33 according to Revelation 5:1-9. As is discussed above, A.D. 33 is the end of the 490 years of Daniel 9:24. Though the scroll mentioned in v. 24 was sealed at the end of the Book of Daniel which conservative scholars date sometime around 539 B.C., the scroll continued to remain sealed from 444 B.C., at the start of the 490 years, until A.D. 33 when it was presumably opened shortly after the sacrificial death of Christ, the Lamb of Revelation 5:6-7.

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Fulfilled! The “A.D. 70 Doctrine” View, Interpretation, Exposition and Commentary of Daniel 9:25-26: The Meaning of the Seven Sevens and Sixty-Two Sevens of Daniel 9:25-26 . . .

The “seven ‘sevens,’ and sixty-two ‘sevens.’” are (7 X 7) + (62 X 7) or 483 years. I believe the 483 years in this verse are Jewish solar years (originally Egyptian and Babylonian solar years) each with 360 days. The first step in making sense of this prophecy is to convert the Jewish solar calendar into modern years:



Like the prophecy in v. 24, the countdown to the year of the Messiah’s death again starts at the order to rebuild Jerusalem. As stated above, this decree was issued by Artaxerxes in 444 B.C. Therefore the Messiah would be killed 476 years after the decree of Artaxerxes.

476 years – 444B.C. = A.D. 32

Since there is no year zero, one year must be added to the date above:

A.D. 32 + 1 year = A.D. 33




Tiberius Caesar

Fulfilled! Daniel 9:25-26 Commentary: Daniel Correctly predicts that the Messiah was to be killed in A.D. 33.
Therefore according to Daniel, the Messiah was to be killed in A.D. 33. Is there any evidence that Jesus had, in fact, died in A.D. 33? There are several things to consider when answering this question. According to the Gospels, Jesus died during the reign of Pontius Pilate. Pilate ruled from A.D. 26 to A.D. 36, therefore Jesus must have been crucified within this ten year period. Assuming Jesus died on a Friday on the fourteenth of Nisan,10 according to modern astronomy, the only years during Pilate’s reign in which the fourteenth of Nisan certainly fell on a Friday are in A.D. 30, A.D. 33 and A.D. 36.11 A.D. 36 seems to be the least plausible of the three options since it assumes that Jesus had a six year ministry, an assumption with no supporting evidence in the Gospel accounts.12 Luke 3:23 indicates that Jesus was about thirty years old when He began His ministry: “Now Jesus himself was about thirty years old when he began his ministry.” Jesus is believed to have been born sometime between 4 and 6 B.C.13 If Jesus died in A.D. 36, then unless Jesus had a six year ministry He would have been closer to forty when He began to publically preach and heal.

At the opposite extreme is the year A.D. 30. Though supported by many scholars, this date also has its weaknesses. According to Luke 3:1-2, John the Baptist began his ministry on the fifteenth year of Tiberius’ reign which corresponds with A.D. 28 or A.D. 29. If Jesus died in A.D. 30, this leaves a ministry of only about one year despite the fact that the Gospel of John lists the passage of three Passovers throughout the course of Jesus’ ministry (John 2:13; 6:4; 11:55). A ministry of just over three years better explains the evidence. This leaves A.D. 33 as what seems to be the most likely year of Jesus’ crucifixion.14


Scapegoat

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Fulfilled! Daniel 9:27 Commentary: Daniel 9:27 may have also been Fulfilled in Jesus’ Earthly Ministry.

Modern scholars believe that Jesus’ ministry as it is recorded in the Gospels was also three and a half years long. At the end of Jesus’ three and a half year ministry, Jesus was crucified as a sacrifice for sin. After Jesus’ death and resurrection, those ceremonial aspects of the Law regarding animal sacrifice were fulfilled at the cross. Thus in the middle of the “seven” or three and a half years into His ministry, Jesus “put an end to sacrifice and offering.”27 I believe that the story does not end there. What about the seven year covenant mentioned in v. 27? I believe that the final three and a half year period comprising the seven year interval mentioned in v. 27 seems to have been fulfilled in the three and a half year ministry of the two witnesses of Revelation 11. How could the final three and a half years of v. 27 be fulfilled in the earthly ministry of the two witnesses? See the preterist commentary on Revelation 11 for a comprehensive explanation.

The next chapter, Daniel 11, is perhaps the most controversial chapter in the entire book. Secular scholarship has long used this chapter as evidence of a second century date of composition for the book as a whole. The accuracy of the prophecies recorded in this chapter have long been regarded by modern scholars as having been too accurate to have been the result of guesswork on the part a sixth century Jewish seer. By all accounts these predictions proceed flawlessly up until v. 36. Did Daniel make his first mistake while describing the life of Antiochus Epiphanes? Or was another king in mind?
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Douggg said: ↑
The rules currently prohibit the full preterist view, but should be expanded to include partial preterism.

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BABerean2 said:

Unless the second Jewish temple is still standing, Christ was a "Partial-Preterist" in the Olivet Discourse.
Do you think the Olivet Discourse should be eliminated from our discussion?
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BABerean2 said:

Mat 24:1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
And some people on this forum claim not to be a Dispensationalist, but they still promote the basics of the doctrine.

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Now I wonder who those could be ......

Didn't the buildings in the Temple include the Sanctuary?

Guess what is being measured in Revelation 11:1

Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized- Poll Thread

Matthew 24:1
And Jesus coming out, departed from the Temple.
And His Disciples approached Him to show to Him the buildings of the Temple.
Mark 13:1
And He going forth out of the Temple,
one of His Disciples is saying to Him “Teacher! behold! what manner of stones and what manner of buildings”
Luke 21:5
and of some saying concerning the Temple,
that to goodly stones and votive-offerings<334> it has been adorned<2885>
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What about Revelation 11:1-2 SANCTUARY, COURT AND HOLY CITY

Revelation 11:
1 And was given to me a reed like-as rod saying "rouse! and measure! the Sanctuary<3485> of God and the Altar[Golden Altar] and those worshiping in it
2 and the Court/fold<833>[Priests/Lavar/Altar of Sacrifice] outside of the Sanctuary, be casting-out!<1544> out-side<1854> and no it thou should be measuring, that it was given to the Gentiles/Nations.
And the holy City they shall be treading<3961>forty two months.
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BABerean2 said:

Rev 11:19 And opened was the sanctuary of God in the heaven, and there was seen the ark of His covenant in His sanctuary, and there did come lightnings, and voices, and thunders, and an earthquake, and great hail.
YLT
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Now you're finally using the correct word in Revelation..............
You should use YLT more often as I mentioned in another post.............

Remember this exchange we had on another thread concerning "Temple" and "Sanctuary"?

What about Revelation 11:1-2 SANCTUARY, COURT AND HOLY CITY

BABerean2 said:

The location of the temple at the beginning of Revelation chapter 11 is found later in the passage.
Rev 11:1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.
Rev 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.
Rev 11:19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.
Is earthly Jerusalem the "holy city" in Revelation 11?
The answer is found below.
Rev 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
There are two cities described below by the Apostle Paul.

Gal 4:25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
Gal 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

Which one is the "holy city" found in Revelation 11:1?

Rev 11:1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.

(KJV+) AndG2532 there was givenG1325 meG3427 a reedG2563 like untoG3664 a rod:G4464 andG2532 theG3588 angelG32 stood,G2476 saying,G3004 Rise,G1453 andG2532 measureG3354 theG3588 templeG3485 of God,G2316 andG2532 theG3588 altar,G2379 andG2532 them that worshipG4352 therein.G1722 G846
Rev 11:19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.
(KJV+) AndG2532 theG3588 templeG3485 of GodG2316 was openedG455 inG1722 heaven,G3772 andG2532 there was seenG3700 inG1722 hisG848 templeG3485 theG3588 arkG2787 of hisG848 testament:G1242 andG2532 there wereG1096 lightnings,G796 andG2532 voices,G5456 andG2532 thunderings,G1027 andG2532 an earthquake,G4578 andG2532 greatG3173 hail.G5464
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LittleLambofJesus said:

As I have just shown, the word "Temple" is never once used in Revelation.
Use a better Bible version like YLT which renders words like Age, Land/World, Gehenna, Temple, Sanctuary more accurately.
G1067 (YLT)

Matthew 23:33 "Serpents! offspring of vipers! how? ye may be fleeing from the judging<2920> of the Gehenna <1067>

OC Jerusalem and Lake of Fire

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BABerean2 said:

You are attempting to re-define words to make your doctrine work.

Rev 11:1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.
(KJV+) AndG2532 there was givenG1325 meG3427 a reedG2563 like untoG3664 a rod:G4464 andG2532 theG3588 angelG32 stood,G2476 saying,G3004 Rise,G1453 andG2532 measureG3354 theG3588 templeG3485 of God,G2316 andG2532 theG3588 altar,G2379 andG2532 them that worshipG4352 therein.G1722 G846



Rev 11:19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

(KJV+) AndG2532 theG3588 templeG3485 of GodG2316 was openedG455 inG1722 heaven,G3772 andG2532 there was seenG3700 inG1722 hisG848 templeG3485 theG3588 arkG2787 of hisG848 testament:G1242 andG2532 there wereG1096 lightnings,G796 andG2532 voices,G5456 andG2532 thunderings,G1027 andG2532 an earthquake,G4578 andG2532 greatG3173 hail.G5464


G3485 =The inner sanctuary of the Temple
ναός
naos
nah-os'
From a primary word ναίω naiō (to dwell); a fane, shrine, temple: - shrine, temple. Compare G2411.
Total KJV occurrences: 46



G2411 =The Temple Complex
ἱερόν
hieron
hee-er-on'
Neuter of G2413; a sacred place, that is, the entire precincts (whereas G3485 denotes the central sanctuary itself) of the Temple (at Jerusalem or elsewhere): - temple.
Total KJV occurrences: 71


Early Church Father Cyprian quoted from the Textus Receptus about 250 AD.

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LittleLambofJesus said: ↑
Now you're finally using the correct word in Revelation..............
You should use YLT more often as I mentioned in another post.............

Remember this exchange we had on another thread concerning "Temple" and "Sanctuary"?

What about Revelation 11:1-2 SANCTUARY, COURT AND HOLY CITY
And remember that the same word in Revelation 11:19 kills your 70 AD doctrine, no matter which translation is used.

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BABerean2 said:

And remember that the same word in Revelation 11:19 kills your 70 AD doctrine, no matter which translation is used.
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Nope, it confirms it......good try tho.......
Why were you so bent on translation the word as "Temple"......because it kills your futurism doctrine.........

Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized
Matt 24:1 Temple, Buildings

What about Revelation 11:1-2 SANCTUARY, COURT AND HOLY CITY

Luke 21:5 and of some saying concerning the Temple,
that to goodly stones and votive-offerings<334> it has been adorned<2885>

Revelation 11:
1 And was given to me a reed like-as rod saying "rouse! and measure! the Sanctuary<3485> of God and the Altar[Golden Altar] and those worshiping in it
2 and the Court/fold<833>[Priests/Lavar/Altar of Sacrifice] outside of the Sanctuary, be casting-out!<1544> out-side<1854> and no it thou should be measuring, that it was given to the Gentiles/Nations.
And the holy City they shall be treading<3961>forty two months.
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