Cardinal Müller: They have driven Jesus out of the Amazon Synod

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October 8, 2019 (L'Espresso) — The Synod on the Amazon has begun. "But it will have consequences for the universal Church," warns Cardinal Gerhard Müller, in a lengthy interview with Matteo Matzuzzi for the newspaper "Il Foglio," released on the very day of the opening of the work. "If one listens to the voices of some of the protagonists of this assembly, one understands easily that the agenda is entirely European."
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"In Germany," Müller now says — he a German as well, although he does not govern a diocese and therefore is not part of the episcopal conference — "they almost want to refound the Catholic Church. They think that Christ is just a man who lived two thousand years ago, they maintain that he was not a modern man, they are convinced that he had none of their education. They therefore think that it is necessary to fill in these gaps and that it is up to them to act. In a homily Cardinal Marx asked rhetorically: 'If Christ were here today, would he say what he said two thousand years ago?' But Christ is not an historical figure like Caesar. Jesus Christ is risen and present, he celebrates the Mass through his representative, the ordained priest. He is the subject of the Church, and his Word remains and stands true forever. Christ is the fullness of revelation, because of which there will be no other revelation. It is we who must seek to know it more and better, but we certainly cannot change it. Christ is unsurpassable and irreversible, and today this does not seem to be very clear at certain latitudes."

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Cardinal Müller: They have driven Jesus out of the Amazon Synod
 
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second paragraph from the link:

"European, and above all German. Also in Germany, in fact, there has been launched a "synodal path" that will take its cue from the Amazon in order to reform nothing less than the universal Church, a synod in which the laity will have numbers and votes on a par with the bishops, a synod whose resolutions will be "binding" and will concern the end of priestly celibacy, the ordination of women, the reform of sexual morality, and the democratization of powers in the Church."

How in the world do they think that there won't be dire consequences, if this proposal does go forward???

I can't imagine the kind of Catholic Church this proposed action would create.:crossrc:
How could they dare to do something like this?? I shake my head in sorrow at the thought of what they would create.
 
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How far will things have to go before it's a sin to attend mass in communion with Francis?
I've wondered about this a few times to be honest, but as for now I fail to see options other than a clerical schism in the Vatican. Hard to predict...

Time will tell us what is the preferable choice.
 
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"Rome will not be the one to tell us what we have to do in Germany," Munich archbishop and German episcopal conference president Cardinal Reinhard Marx had already stated between the first and second session of the synod on the family.
He sounds like Luther except Luther was more Catholic than he is.
 
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How far will things have to go before it's a sin to attend mass in communion with Francis?
I've wondered about this a few times to be honest, but as for now I fail to see options other than a clerical schism in the Vatican. Hard to predict...

Time will tell us what is the preferable choice.
Things are moving along. For now we still have to be in communion with pope Francis. And careful faithful people like cardinal Sarah and cardinal Burke are still in communion with pope Francis. When they do something to break that communion then I will start asking what I should be doing. For now I know exactly what I should be doing, and that is continuing to be a normal (not average, but normal) Catholic and praying like crazy for the whole mess. Things would have to be a lot worse before it would be a sin to be in communion with pope Francis. And yet things are developing rapidly. Just today there was another 'interview' with the pope where the interviewer said pope Francis denies that Jesus is God. OK, pretty silly, but what's next?
 
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Just today there was another 'interview' with the pope where the interviewer said pope Francis denies that Jesus is God. OK, pretty silly, but what's next?

Yeah I read that, lol. If it's true, which we have no reason to believe it isnt, then he's not even arian but totally apostate. I mean even Arius saw Christ as the redeemer of mankind.
 
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about this time one has to wonder why the Pope is still giving interviews, if they turn out like this??
There's only so far that the excuse of misinterpretation can go before it doubles back on itself and becomes truth.
 
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