Future New World Order One World Government...in the Bible?

parousia70 said:

The only Bible verse I know of that prophesies a "one world government" is this one:

Isaiah 9:7
Of the increase of His government and peace
There will be no end,
Upon the throne of David and over His kingdom,
To order it and establish it with judgment and justice
From that time forward, even forever.
The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.

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parousia70,

1. It is true of a complete one world government across the whole earth will be the millennial Kingdom and the New Heaven and the New Earth.

2. The world empire’s covered basically the then known civilized world in those particular regions which were the Middle East regions not the whole earth.
In Paul’s day Romans’ 1:8; faith spoken throughout the whole world is a syndedoche, a part of the whole. It didn’t cover all the world as in the other parts of the earth.
Even when the Antichrist reigns in the beast kingdom with all the technology at his disposal will not rule over the whole complete earth.
Even if he was to he still knows he will lose at Armageddon against Christ and his armies. Jerry Kelso

jerry kelso said:

V8; God gave Israel the spirit of slumber
even in Paul’s day is why Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Hebrews 8:6-12 hadn’t been fulfilled then and is still not.

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The author of the Book of Hebrews quoted the Uppercase text from the promise of the New Covenant in Jeremiah 31:31-34.
Notice the word "now" in the text below, which was written during the first century.


Heb 8:6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises.
Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second.
Heb 8:8 Because finding fault with them, He says: "BEHOLD, THE DAYS ARE COMING, SAYS THE LORD, WHEN I WILL MAKE A NEW COVENANT WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AND WITH THE HOUSE OF JUDAH—
Heb 8:9 NOT ACCORDING TO THE COVENANT THAT I MADE WITH THEIR FATHERS IN THE DAY WHEN I TOOK THEM BY THE HAND TO LEAD THEM OUT OF THE LAND OF EGYPT; BECAUSE THEY DID NOT CONTINUE IN MY COVENANT, AND I DISREGARDED THEM, SAYS THE LORD.
Heb 8:10 FOR THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AFTER THOSE DAYS, SAYS THE LORD: I WILL PUT MY LAWS IN THEIR MIND AND WRITE THEM ON THEIR HEARTS; AND I WILL BE THEIR GOD, AND THEY SHALL BE MY PEOPLE.
Heb 8:11 NONE OF THEM SHALL TEACH HIS NEIGHBOR, AND NONE HIS BROTHER, SAYING, 'KNOW THE LORD,' FOR ALL SHALL KNOW ME, FROM THE LEAST OF THEM TO THE GREATEST OF THEM.
Heb 8:12 FOR I WILL BE MERCIFUL TO THEIR UNRIGHTEOUSNESS, AND THEIR SINS AND THEIR LAWLESS DEEDS I WILL REMEMBER NO MORE."
Heb 8:13 In that He says, "A NEW COVENANT," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.


Heb 10:16 "THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THEM AFTER THOSE DAYS, SAYS THE LORD: I WILL PUT MY LAWS INTO THEIR HEARTS, AND IN THEIR MINDS I WILL WRITE THEM,"
Heb 10:17 then He adds, "THEIR SINS AND THEIR LAWLESS DEEDS I WILL REMEMBER NO MORE."
Heb 10:18 Now where there is remission of these, there is no longer an offering for sin.

We understand why you are attempting to deny the New Covenant fulfillment at Calvary.
An understanding of the New Covenant kills your Two Peoples of God doctrine.

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jerry kelso said:

V8; God gave Israel the spirit of slumber
even in Paul’s day is why Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Hebrews 8:6-12 hadn’t been fulfilled then and is still not.

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jerry,

What historical defenders of the true faith prior to the 19th century denied that Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Hebrews 8:6-12 have been fulfilled?

Names and quotes, please.

BABerean2 said:

The author of the Book of Hebrews quoted the Uppercase text from the promise of the New Covenant in Jeremiah 31:31-34.
Notice the word "now" in the text below, which was written during the first century.


Heb 8:6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises.
Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second.
Heb 8:8 Because finding fault with them, He says: "BEHOLD, THE DAYS ARE COMING, SAYS THE LORD, WHEN I WILL MAKE A NEW COVENANT WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AND WITH THE HOUSE OF JUDAH—
Heb 8:9 NOT ACCORDING TO THE COVENANT THAT I MADE WITH THEIR FATHERS IN THE DAY WHEN I TOOK THEM BY THE HAND TO LEAD THEM OUT OF THE LAND OF EGYPT; BECAUSE THEY DID NOT CONTINUE IN MY COVENANT, AND I DISREGARDED THEM, SAYS THE LORD.
Heb 8:10 FOR THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AFTER THOSE DAYS, SAYS THE LORD: I WILL PUT MY LAWS IN THEIR MIND AND WRITE THEM ON THEIR HEARTS; AND I WILL BE THEIR GOD, AND THEY SHALL BE MY PEOPLE.
Heb 8:11 NONE OF THEM SHALL TEACH HIS NEIGHBOR, AND NONE HIS BROTHER, SAYING, 'KNOW THE LORD,' FOR ALL SHALL KNOW ME, FROM THE LEAST OF THEM TO THE GREATEST OF THEM.
Heb 8:12 FOR I WILL BE MERCIFUL TO THEIR UNRIGHTEOUSNESS, AND THEIR SINS AND THEIR LAWLESS DEEDS I WILL REMEMBER NO MORE."
Heb 8:13 In that He says, "A NEW COVENANT," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.


Heb 10:16 "THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THEM AFTER THOSE DAYS, SAYS THE LORD: I WILL PUT MY LAWS INTO THEIR HEARTS, AND IN THEIR MINDS I WILL WRITE THEM,"
Heb 10:17 then He adds, "THEIR SINS AND THEIR LAWLESS DEEDS I WILL REMEMBER NO MORE."
Heb 10:18 Now where there is remission of these, there is no longer an offering for sin.

We understand why you are attempting to deny the New Covenant fulfillment at Calvary.
An understanding of the New Covenant kills your Two Peoples of God doctrine.

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baberean2,

1. I already debunked your Hebrews 8:6 and the word “now” in post 81.

2. Verse 6 is not in Jeremiah 31:31-34.
Hebrews 8:1-5; go with v6. It shows why Christ is not the same type of High Priest as the Old Testament High Priest.
And it shows why he has obtained a more excellent ministry and the mediator of the New Covenant that was built on better promises.

3. V 7 proves the 1st covenant was replaced by the 2nd covenant.

4. The New Covenant prophesied stated in Jeremiah was the thing that came to pass at Calvary.
The New Covenant was for the whole world John 3:16.
It didn’t come to pass for the nation of Israel because they rejected Christ Matthew 23:37-39
A comparison is Acts 2:17 when the Holy Spirit was poured out as in Joel but the whole prophecy of Joel 2 was not fulfilled.
There was no signs and wonders and it was to be before the great and notable day of the Lord which never happened Joel 2:20.

5. When Calvary happened the church age began officially Ephesians 2:14-15 though it didn’t manifest till Acts 10.
The church wasn’t a plan b, it was predestined Ephesians 1:4 chosen before the foundation of the world v5 predestined to the adoption Romans 8:28 called according to his purpose v29 foreknew and predestination 1 Peter 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father....

6. Hebrews 8:8 was spoken to Jewish Christians who understood the eternal covenants for their nation 2 Samuel 7:13-16; 1 Chronicles 28:1-8.
For finding fault with them were the Jews who rejected God in Jeremiah’s day and in Jesus day.
The days will come when he would make a New Covenant with the house of Israel and the House of Judah unlike the Old Covenant.
This didn’t happen at Calvary and neither did v10-12. Why?

7. The church age began because it was chosen before the foundation of the world Ephesians 1:4 Israel as a nation rejecting Christ was prophesied Isaiah 53:1-7 is such a picture and Matthew 23:37-39 proves that Israel’s kingdom program of the Davidic Covenant ended for that time and Jesus proved that by his prophecy of the temple and the nation destroyed in 70 A. D. in Matthew 24:1-2 and the New Covenant came for the whole world John 3:16.
Peter addressed the men of Judea and all that dwelt at Jerusalem Acts 2:14; to explain what was happening concerning the Holy Spirit falling with other people outside of Israel; v22; men of Israel a history lesson and what has led up to that moment.
This has nothing to do with the Davidic covenant coming to pass with the Jewish nation or that the nation as a whole received the New Covenant.
Jeremiah 31:31-34 could not have been fulfilled because of the scriptures I gave including the Davidic kingdom didn’t come to pass.

8. Jeremiah 31:36-37 says plainly that the seed of Israel will never cease or never be cast off.
This was not talking about the Church of today.
Your spiritual Israel theory that uses replacement theology is a farce and a lie and you cannot prove it.

9. berean, you have sunk to the lowest with the lying inference that I don’t believe the New Covenant was fulfilled at Calvary.
You know I believe that the New Covenant happened at Calvary and I have never said differently. I said it again in this post and many times before.
The New Covenant was going to happen and had to happen for Christ was prophesied to be the final sacrifice that started with Genesis 3:15.

10. The 2 people’s doctrine is a making of your own teachers. I already debunked that notion.
All believers will be saved by the New Covenant in the millennial kingdom and will be one.
The difference of rulership positions are designed and commissioned by God to Israel and the church age saints will be much to do by stewardship etc.
That doesn’t make 2 people’s of God in your scenario.
Quit posting such deception. Jerry Kelso

jerry kelso said:

Jeremiah 31:31-34 could not have been fulfilled because of the scriptures I gave including the Davidic kingdom didn’t come to pass.

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If the author of the Book of Hebrews quoted Jeremiah 31:31-34 word-for-word within Hebrews 8:6-13, either you are confused, or he is confused...



The New Covenant: Bob George


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BABerean2 said:

If the author of the Book of Hebrews quoted Jeremiah 31:31-34 word-for-word within Hebrews 8:6-13, either you are confused, or he is confused...



The New Covenant: Bob George

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When were you ever in the old covenant? The old covenant was the Mt. Sinai covenant between God and the children of Israel.

BABerean2 said:

If the author of the Book of Hebrews quoted Jeremiah 31:31-34 word-for-word within Hebrews 8:6-13, either you are confused, or he is confused...



The New Covenant: Bob George

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baberean2,

1. You stay confused and blind because you will not accept the truth and that is your choice.

2. The reason the author of Hebrews quoted Jeremiah 31:31-34 is so those Jewish Christians would realize that their covenants through Abraham and David that are unconditional would eventually be realized and that the Old Covenant was made old by the New Covenant and was ready to vanish away in their memory. This will happen for Israel on the Day of the Lord.

2. I have proved time and time again that Israel as a nation has not received the New Covenant because the Davidic Covenant concerning the KoH reign and you cannot prove me wrong.
That is why you have to spiritualize different passages to make your position work.

3. Why do you think Christ told the disciples that the restoration of the kingdom was not for them to know the times and seasons right before he ascended back to Heaven?
If Jeremiah 31:34 happened in the early church then why wasn’t Israel’s sin remembered no more because many of the Jews were still in sin and Paul quoted Jesus in Acts 28:25-28 in which the Jewish nation rejected Jesus Matthew 23:37-39.
You can disagree and put up your scripture but you can’t prove by the proper context. Jerry Kelso

BABerean2 said:

We understand why you are attempting to deny the New Covenant fulfillment at Calvary.
An understanding of the New Covenant kills your Two Peoples of God doctrine.

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The elect refers to the children of Israel - Israel. Israel, as whole, has not received the New Covenant. The Jews who have embraced the gospel are under the election of grace. If a person was never under the Mt Sinai covenant, they were never a part of the elect to start with.

"Two Peoples of God" is a misnomer, and a created term.

Many are called, but few are chosen - refers to Jews and Gentiles who hear the gospel and embrace it.

jgr said:

jerry,

What historical defenders of the true faith prior to the 19th century denied that Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Hebrews 8:6-12 have been fulfilled?

Names and quotes, please.

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jgr,

1. The author of Hebrews who I believe was Paul the apostle.

2. Hebrews 10:12-17; from the time of the cross he sat down on the right hand of God. From that time expecting till his enemies be made his footstool. He perfected them that are sanctified. The Holy Ghost being a witness after that before this is the covent that I will make with them(Israel) after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts and in their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
And their iniquities will I remember no more.
This is part of Jeremiah 31:31-34 prophecy and the time factor is when Christ makes his enemies his footstool verse13; 1 Corinthians 15:24-25 which is still future when the kingdom will be delivered up to God the Father.
V 25 says, he(Christ) must reign till he hath put all enemies under his feet. Jerry Kelso

jerry kelso said:

jgr,

1. The author of Hebrews who I believe was Paul the apostle.

2. Hebrews 10:12-17; from the time of the cross he sat down on the right hand of God. From that time expecting till his enemies be made his footstool. He perfected them that are sanctified. The Holy Ghost being a witness after that before this is the covent that I will make with them(Israel) after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts and in their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
And their iniquities will I remember no more.
This is part of Jeremiah 31:31-34 prophecy and the time factor is when Christ makes his enemies his footstool verse13; 1 Corinthians 15:24-25 which is still future when the kingdom will be delivered up to God the Father.
V 25 says, he(Christ) must reign till he hath put all enemies under his feet. Jerry Kelso

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jerry,

Evidently you were unable or unwilling to understand the question, so I'll refine and simplify it to help you:

What post-apostolic historical defenders of the true faith between the first century and the 18th century denied that Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Hebrews 8:6-12 have been fulfilled?

In other words, who in that post-apostolic period agreed with your denial of fulfillment?

Names and quotes, please.

Does that help?

jgr said:

jerry,

Evidently you were unable or unwilling to understand the question, so I'll refine and simplify it to help you:

What post-apostolic historical defenders of the true faith between the first century and the 18th century denied that Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Hebrews 8:6-12 have been fulfilled?

In other words, who in that post-apostolic period agreed with your denial of fulfillment?

Names and quotes, please.

Does that help?

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jgr, you are getting sidetracked.

Daniel 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

Understanding of the time of the end prophecies have been sealed until the time of the end arrives, denoted by many running to and fro, knowledge increased.

The elect are Israel, the ones who agreed to the covenant with God in the desert. It is not talking about the church in Zechariah 12.

Zechariah 12:2 Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem.

3 And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces,

Douggg said:

The elect refers to the children of Israel - Israel. Israel, as whole, has not received the New Covenant. The Jews who have embraced the gospel are under the election of grace.

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Your claim above falls apart in the passage below on the Day of Pentecost, when Peter addressed the crowd as "all the house of Israel", and about 3,000 Israelites accepted the New Covenant fulfilled by the blood of Christ at Calvary, and in Romans 9:27 which reveals there is no "whole", but only a "remnant".

Act 2:36 "Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ."
Act 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, "Men and brethren, what shall we do?"
Act 2:38 Then Peter said to them, "Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Act 2:39 For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call."
Act 2:40 And with many other words he testified and exhorted them, saying, "Be saved from this perverse generation."
Act 2:41 Then those who gladly received his word were baptized; and that day about three thousand souls were added to them.

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jerry kelso said:

I have proved time and time again that Israel as a nation has not received the New Covenant because the Davidic Covenant concerning the KoH reign and you cannot prove me wrong.

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Rom 9:27 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:


G2640
κατάλειμμα
kataleimma
kat-al'-ime-mah
From G2641; a remainder, that is, (by implication) a few: - remnant.
Total KJV occurrences: 1

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Douggg said:

jgr, you are getting sidetracked.

Daniel 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

Understanding of the time of the end prophecies have been sealed until the time of the end arrives, denoted by many running to and fro, knowledge increased.

The elect are Israel, the ones who agreed to the covenant with God in the desert. It is not talking about the church in Zechariah 12.

Zechariah 12:2 Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem.

3 And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces,

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If you're denying the fulfillment as well, Douggg, then I would ask you the same question:

What post-apostolic historical defenders of the true faith between the first century and the 18th century denied that Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Hebrews 8:6-12 have been fulfilled?

In other words, who in that post-apostolic period agreed with your denial of fulfillment?

Names and quotes, please.

jgr said:

If you're denying the fulfillment as well, Douggg, then I would ask you the same question:

What post-apostolic historical defenders of the true faith between the first century and the 18th century denied that Jeremiah 31:31-34 and Hebrews 8:6-12 have been fulfilled?

In other words, who in that post-apostolic period agreed with your denial of fulfillment?

Names and quotes, please.

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Israel has not embraced the gospel yet. They are looking for someone else to be their King of Israel messiah, son of David.

It will not be until after they go through that big error of thinking the Antichrist is the messiah, that they will embrace the gospel.

The understanding to the time of the end has been sealed until our day. So your question is irrelevant.

BABerean2 said:

Your claim above falls apart in the passage below on the Day of Pentecost, when Peter addressed the crowd as "all the house of Israel", and about 3,000 Israelites accepted the New Covenant fulfilled by the blood of Christ at Calvary, and in Romans 9:27 which reveals there is no "whole", but only a "remnant".

Act 2:36 "Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ."
Act 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, "Men and brethren, what shall we do?"
Act 2:38 Then Peter said to them, "Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Act 2:39 For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call."
Act 2:40 And with many other words he testified and exhorted them, saying, "Be saved from this perverse generation."
Act 2:41 Then those who gladly received his word were baptized; and that day about three thousand souls were added to them.

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It is common knowledge to the whole world that Israel, the Jews, have rejected the gospel. They will not embrace the gospel until the middle of the 7 years.

In Revelation 12:10, with a time, times, half times remaining for Satan. Which will be the third woe to the inhabiters of the earth.

Rejoice ye heavens - plural - Satan will be cast down to earth from the second heaven.

12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

Douggg said:

It is common knowledge to the whole world that Israel, the Jews, have rejected the gospel. They will not embrace the gospel until the middle of the 7 years.

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The man in the video below was an Orthodox Jew who found the promise of the New Covenant in his Hebrew scriptures. (Jeremiah 31:31-34)
He is now my Brother, in Christ.
Either you are confused, or his conversion to Christ never happened.

Apparently, he did not know about your "common knowledge".
Neither did his brother, or father.



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Douggg said:

Israel has not embraced the gospel yet. They are looking for someone else to be their King of Israel messiah, son of David.

It will not be until after they go through that big error of thinking the Antichrist is the messiah, that they will embrace the gospel.

The understanding to the time of the end has been sealed until our day. So your question is irrelevant.

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The question is irrelevant only to those unable to provide an answer.

But there is an answer, and a simple and unsurprising one:

None.

There is no post-apostolic recognized historical defender of the true faith for eighteen centuries who denied the fulfillment of the aforestated Scriptures.

Such denial is the exclusive invention of dispensational modernism.

It is a betrayal of the prophetic faith of the fathers.