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I'm graciously asking for advice on a struggle that I can't seem to shake.

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My wife and I serve as volunteer ministry leaders in a church of about 200. We've been at the church for about 5 yrs. Our pastor started this church about 10 years ago. The pastor and I are fairly close, talking/texting a few times a week.

About a month ago at a small group (with our pastor present) my wife shared that she was struggling with some career ambiguity/satisfaction, the idea of getting older, and some hopes and dreams not coming to fruition. She communicated in such a way that it didn't come across as emotionally-charged, excessively heavy or emergent. More like, "This is what's on my heart right now."

Last week, my wife received a text message from our pastor which read, "Hey, let's get together, just the two of us, I want to know whats on your heart. ;)"

She shard the text with me and we discussed at depth. Candidly, I was surprised that he engaged 1:1, the playful context of the message, and that he didn't give me a heads up since we are so close.

We ultimately agreed that the intent was likely positive but the approach was somewhat off. Since it was a single incident we chalked it up to a bad choice and decided to cover it in grace and move on. He and I interacted Sunday as normal and my wife tried to respectfully steer clear as to not get in a conversation that could take him off his game him right before service.

Yesterday she received another text of a similar nature. I confess that I am now feeling protective and a little hurt that there has been no mention of his interaction with her to me even though we've had many conversations since. I still believe his intentions are good but I am confused and struggling with this adverse approach to what seems to be commonly accepted practices of healthy ministry relationships and appropriate male-female interactions.

At this point I believe we have to engage somehow but I want to do that respectfully and in a manner that protects my wife, the pastor, the church and the ministry.

The questions...

I know with a degree of certainty that other pastors whom I'm connected with or have served with in the past would not put themselves in such a position with another female, even with the best of intentions. I confess that I am more conservative on this matter and understand that there are other approaches. Even in the ministry we steward, I disciple the men 1:1 and she disciples the women 1:1. In instances where there is a need we attempt to meet it together. I can personally say that I have never approached a female to meet 1:1 and do my best to not open doors that could lead to those situations.

1. Am I being oversensitive, overly-conservative, jealous, or obstructive?

2. How should pastors (and other ministers) appropriately minister to opposite genders in the church or ensure that their spiritual development needs are being met?
I am impressed with the way that you've handled it thus far but feel you need to find a way to confront it so other members of your church are protected from his sin. Just sweeping it under the rug helps no one.

Is there someone in your Church who has authority over this pastor? If so, maybe you should contact them and show them the texts so they can make the decision on the appropriate actions.

God be with you.
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I'm not familiar with flirting at all, so I'm not likely to sense anything other than the clear impropriety. What advice would you give for how to handle the questions he will be asked for why he left? Is the sense of the sentence enough to reveal the details to those members who ask? If he is wrong it will be tragic. I think for sure it should be brought privately to the elders.

The wink drips with flirting. Professional texts should be free of that kind of thing. As others would say, get out asap. He has clear intentions.
 
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maybe your wife could say to him that she doesnt feel comfortable with him being a pastor, to meet with him one on one as she doesnt want to put him or herself in a situation that may give the appearance of something inappropriate.

if the pastor is clueless which it does sound a bit like he is, then her saying this should be enough rebuke for him to realise it is inappropriate behavior for a pastor.
 
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I'm graciously asking for advice on a struggle that I can't seem to shake.

The background...

My wife and I serve as volunteer ministry leaders in a church of about 200. We've been at the church for about 5 yrs. Our pastor started this church about 10 years ago. The pastor and I are fairly close, talking/texting a few times a week.

About a month ago at a small group (with our pastor present) my wife shared that she was struggling with some career ambiguity/satisfaction, the idea of getting older, and some hopes and dreams not coming to fruition. She communicated in such a way that it didn't come across as emotionally-charged, excessively heavy or emergent. More like, "This is what's on my heart right now."

Last week, my wife received a text message from our pastor which read, "Hey, let's get together, just the two of us, I want to know whats on your heart. ;)"

She shard the text with me and we discussed at depth. Candidly, I was surprised that he engaged 1:1, the playful context of the message, and that he didn't give me a heads up since we are so close.

We ultimately agreed that the intent was likely positive but the approach was somewhat off. Since it was a single incident we chalked it up to a bad choice and decided to cover it in grace and move on. He and I interacted Sunday as normal and my wife tried to respectfully steer clear as to not get in a conversation that could take him off his game him right before service.

Yesterday she received another text of a similar nature. I confess that I am now feeling protective and a little hurt that there has been no mention of his interaction with her to me even though we've had many conversations since. I still believe his intentions are good but I am confused and struggling with this adverse approach to what seems to be commonly accepted practices of healthy ministry relationships and appropriate male-female interactions.

At this point I believe we have to engage somehow but I want to do that respectfully and in a manner that protects my wife, the pastor, the church and the ministry.

The questions...

I know with a degree of certainty that other pastors whom I'm connected with or have served with in the past would not put themselves in such a position with another female, even with the best of intentions. I confess that I am more conservative on this matter and understand that there are other approaches. Even in the ministry we steward, I disciple the men 1:1 and she disciples the women 1:1. In instances where there is a need we attempt to meet it together. I can personally say that I have never approached a female to meet 1:1 and do my best to not open doors that could lead to those situations.

1. Am I being oversensitive, overly-conservative, jealous, or obstructive?

2. How should pastors (and other ministers) appropriately minister to opposite genders in the church or ensure that their spiritual development needs are being met?

If you and your wife are ok with this .... just have your wife respond ...

"I would like to meet with you and bring my husband to the meeting as well so he may also know what my struggles are and lend his support as well."

Which is all true ... isn't it? or If it is in fact true?
 
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Hi comfy,

Thanks for your reply:
This can apply.

Even so > a predatory person can act the nice guy with a husband while fishing behind his back.

It appears the couple does not know the pastor well enough to be sure of what is going on.

Agreed. However, one, especially a believer, should not unrighteously condemn another either. All I encouraged, as a first step, is to ask the questions that need to be asked in this situation. Either the wife or the husband can approach the pastor with their concerns as to the propriety of such a meeting and where and how he intends to meet. If the pastor's response to any of these probing questions is, well no, I'd really like to meet with your wife alone without any sort of nearby witnesses, then I would agree that this is likely a dangerous situation. The pastor might, however, answer that he appreciated their concern for any meeting to be all above board and then either ask the two, as a couple to come in and see him, or assure them both that he has no intentions of having a closed door private meeting with his wife. That she had expressed some concerns and he just wanted to follow up with her, but if she is uncomfortable I completely understand and we certainly don't have to have any further discussion, she and I. I am glad that you responded and I completely understand your concerns and applaud you both for looking out for the sanctity of your marriage.

That way, they can all still be friends and get their concerns worked out with accurate knowledge and not just guessing what the pastor's intentions are. At this point that's all we have been offered is that the couple are curious as to the pastor's intentions and how they should handle this situation. However, I fully understand and agree that there are fellowship leaders who can take advantage of their position and attempt to force their will on women. But we shouldn't 'assume' that to be the intention of every pastor who asks to meet a female parishoner before finding out what kind of meeting is being asked for.

God bless,
In Chirst, ted
 
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If you trust your wife I'd have her meet him to find out his intentions. Maybe somehow he was led to believe you are the source of her depression so wants to make sure your wife is safe. But it is strange he texted her twice. If she meets him privately you could be waiting nearby, ready to swoop in when she texts you. If he does hit on her he needs to be reported to his superiors, or exposed to the elders if this church is his private fiefdom. If he hits on her Id go to the mattresses.
If you never get to the bottom of this you'll always be suspicious of him going forward.
 
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The wink drips with flirting. Professional texts should be free of that kind of thing. As others would say, get out asap. He has clear intentions.
Maybe it was a mistake. It happens to me all the time when quoting scripture:
2 cor 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight:)
 
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Maybe it was a mistake. It happens to me all the time when quoting scripture:
2 cor 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight:)

You see? there is goes again : "(For we walk by faith, not by sight ':' ')'
have to separate the two mark, or sites and phones put faces in your words.......
 
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