When was hell created?

Lion Bravehart said:

Does anyone know when hell was created? Bible reference would be fantastic if you don't mind Tyvm!

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Hello, I think hell was created or prepared when lucifer became satan or devil...Matthew 25:41..."Then He will say to those on His left, depart from me, you who are cursed, into eternal fire prepared for devil and his angels.

are you talking about the fire and brimstone hell? i think that's in the center of the earth. it's lava, the lake of fire.

pasifika said:

Hello, I think hell was created or prepared when lucifer became satan or devil...Matthew 25:41..."Then He will say to those on His left, depart from me, you who are cursed, into eternal fire prepared for devil and his angels.

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The Lake of Fire is not being used yet. For it says that all who are now in Hell will be thrown into the Lake of Fire.



Hell (Hades) is the waiting cell for those awaiting the final judgment.

genez said:

The Lake of Fire is not being used yet. For it says that all who are now in Hell will be thrown into the Lake of Fire.

"And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire.
This is the second death.' Rev 20:14​

Hell (Hades) is the waiting cell for those awaiting the final judgment.

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Okay thanks for pointing that out.

RaymondG said:

Some would say that the idea that, with all the Jesus went through, most people will still enter a hell, would be diminishing the cross. Therefore those who dont believe in the hell of torment, would have a better chance of giving the Cross all power........as opposed to those who believe it will save a few....

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The problem with this argument is that if one really understands the full magnitude of what the atonement entailed (the full weight of the wrath of God is the "hell of torment") and that's precisely what Jesus endured.

That fact impressed upon the few that are chosen (out of the many that are called) makes them more apt to give the cross all the power, precisely because not only do they believe in the hell of torment; but they are profoundly convicted that they, the few that are chosen, deserve that hell of torment, just as much as the many that are called.

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vinsight4u said:

2 Peter 2:4 For if God did not spare the angels when they sinned, but cast them deep into hell, placing them in chains of darkness to be held for judgment;

This verse has "deep", but the KJV has "down".

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This might help better understand... The following was taken from notes of someone in my church from lessons given by our pastor who taught us from the Greek.

2 Pet 2:4

4~~ For if - and it is true -
The God did not spare the angels that sinned,
but incarcerated/cast them down to Tartarus {tartaroo},
and delivered them into 'pits of gloom'/ 'chains of darkness' . . .
to be constantly guarded with reference/unto judgment. (Mat 25:41)


{Note: Tartaroo is the Greek word for one section of 'hell' in the center of the Earth. There are three sections of hell.

1. Paradise - where Old Testament Saints stayed before the
ascension of Christ. They are now all in heaven and this
Paradise is empty. There is another garden area in heaven
called 'paradise' today.

2. Torments - this is where all unbelievers go until Judgment Day
at the Great White Throne of Christ. After judgment, prophecy
tells us all will be condemned and thrown into the Lake of Fire.

3. Tartarus - Tartarus is the prison section where the fallen
angels who left their second heaven home and procreated
with women in Genesis 6 were thrown in captivity until
Judgment day. They are still there today.

grace and peace...

yeshuaslavejeff said:

re post 73:
Too much error to even try to correct it in this thread, and apparently not the willingness needed first either.
Suffice it to realize angels never took human women as their wives.
Start thus with a truth, instead of a false premise, and keep seeking the truth, to find it.

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I expected better, and more from you considering what you post on the forums - but you have shown me the veracity and meaning of put all trust in the Most High God only. Not just today; I have been paying attention to your posts, and slowly backing away (just like you probably do my posts). So, what I am saying has been a while coming.

In fact, in a bitter-sweet way many people on these forums are reinforcing the strength of the Word of God through shattering my expectations - namely about trust in men, and engagement of folly.

You did precisely what people accuse all of us of doing - just saying people are wrong, and hoping that will substantiate things. It doesn't bother me except the investment I put into engaging with you. Eventually, when denominations mean nothing and dogma is as strong as the entity it possesses, where will you be, and how will you stand? You had better hope the dogma you stand on will save you.

This is the age where people will call you a demon for suggesting you should be obedient to the Most High God, and when direct statements of the Most High God, and His Word (even the etymology that specifically highlights language) are ignored. I am telling you all of this because you are responsible for what you think you know, and what you say. Choose to ignore it as usual, or actually come to a thinking nexus like you charge me and others.

As for you and me - this is our last interaction. It is too late to debate just for to fun like a ridiculously cliche sophomore with no worries, and go back and forth without any hope of positive enrichment. None of this is a game; you believe in demons but not other "fanciful" stuff directly mentioned in the same text? It would take years to explain that irony to you, because I know how and who you are. That is why I am conceding, and ending our exchanges.

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pasifika said:

Hello, I think hell was created or prepared when lucifer became satan or devil...Matthew 25:41..."Then He will say to those on His left, depart from me, you who are cursed, into eternal fire prepared for devil and his angels.

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If it's an 'eternal fire', would that possibly suggest it is in fact eternal - without beginning or end?

If that's the case, it must be of the same essence as God Himself, for only God is eternal. And since Jesus is the a to z, and he is God's salvation, it must be the holy saving fire of God, His pre-existent abundant nature of grace and mercy.

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vinsight4u said:

The Abyss, the Bottomless Pit, Tartarus, Hades, Torment, Hell, Gehenna, and the Lake of Fire | All Power to the Lamb



Paul and the OT show that -others have no hope.
the dead in Christ will rise - but others - have no hope


This part at the site shown above is supposed to be by Enoch and tells how
some in one area of hell will only be in the lake of fire for a specific amount
of time, but others there for eternity to be tormented.

I'm only trying to show that hell was believed to be down - under the earth.

Revelation shows that only those with their names found written in the book
of life can enter into the city.

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You brought up Enoch; good luck defending your spiritual character.

yeshuaslavejeff said:

oops, no. Not "one must have the truth before finding the truth"
nor "The PHarisee had the truth"
is true.

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I agree.....yet feel you are choosing to miss clear messages to quarrel over wordings.
How does your statement reconcile with this statement you made below?:

yeshuaslavejeff said:

Without the truth, don't expect to find the truth,

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The pharisee believed they had the truth......and this is why they dismiss the Truth....they thought they had it already....or else they would not have crucified our Lord.

yeshuaslavejeff said:

Again oops?, no.
It is not that "all truth will be revealed by the one who is Truth",
rather it is hidden as He Says, from the educated ones.... (and others?) ....
and revealed as it is His Good Pleasure So to DO, "to little children"....


Non sequitur. (doesn't follow from topic nor from Scripture as stated here)

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There are no oops. You already have the truth....so you are supposed to dismiss anything that sounds contrary to it. My words are not for you.

Lion Bravehart said:

I do believe that Adam's actions doomed everyone to hell, because his action brought everyone out of the garden of Eden, symbolic of the presence of God. The Psalmist declared this truth grievingly as he says "Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin my mother conceived me." -Ps. 51:5

And to answer your second part, if the cross of Christ had not been there, there would be no power indeed. But as it stands and is a part of His glorious Gospel. It is the power of God!

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So by your own words.....Adam had the power to affect everyone without their knowledge or consent. And the cross/Christ requires knowledge and consent to affect anyone.....else it would have no affect at all...

Im ok with your belief in this......I would just refrain from using the verse which equates Adams actions to Jesus'....for it does little to support your view.

The Righterzpen said:

The problem with this argument is that if one really understands the full magnitude of what the atonement entailed (the full weight of the wrath of God is the "hell of torment") and that's precisely what Jesus endured.

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You speak well of the magnitude of what Jesus did......then you say it will only benefit a few.....and for the majority.....it would be as though nothing happened at all.... Think about that.
Then you say all Adam did was eat a fruit.....and that was enough to doom all humanity without their knowledge or consent.

If one were to believe Jesus has all power and His work was great......wouldnt your assertion give them a little pause....since it was not able to trump the effect of one who ate a fruit?
Was Adams disobedience more powerful than Jesus' obedience? even unto the death of the cross?

The Righterzpen said:

That fact impressed upon the few that are chosen (out of the many that are called) makes them more apt to give the cross all the power, precisely because not only do they believe in the hell of torment; but they are profoundly convicted that they, the few that are chosen, deserve that hell of torment, just as much as the many that are called.

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Adam brought in the age of hell.....the notion that we much all suffer this fake because of his action.
Jesus introduce us to the kingdom of heaven....and the notion that through Him.....we can enter this kingdom here and now.

Whose report are we to believe.? which idea is more important for us to focus on and believe? Which has more power?

RaymondG said:

Why do you believe that one should take hell seriously? Would not taking Heaven, or the work on the cross seriously, be good enough?

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If one just pooh-poohs away hell, they also diminish the cross and heaven! For the one who spoke of heaven and the cross also declared the reality of the lake of fire and hell/grave/hades. If He lied on one- why should we believe him on the rest? Personal feelings?