Do you ever get tired of fat salaried pastors telling everyone else how they should 'serve' for free

justme6272 said:

No, I'm only going to multiply it by 2 at most. I live in a large metro area and protestant churches stopped meeting Sunday nights decades ago, with maybe one service mid-week, so that's two total.
You're joking, right? That doesn't even happen in small churches, much less the ones you describe that are so big they supposedly meet 4 times per week. No, that's what all the assistant pastors do, with each assistant getting their own secretary.
I'll pass on the book since I'm sure he doesn't explain how he can show up to 'work' at 10 am, take a 90 minute lunch, and leave at 4 pm while having such a heavy burden of so much responsibility on his shoulders.

If pastors ever form a union, you might be qualified as their bargaining representative. Did you ever belong to a union?

Even if all the things you describe were true and legitimate full-time job functions, the pastor is still going to complain about not enough volunteer service from others while he gets paid for everything he does. Maybe we should divide the pastor's salary by each hour he puts in, then pay the volunteers that much per hour.

Then he'll get up and complain about the complainers, which means he's no better than they are cause he's complaining. But that's another topic. It all falls under the heading of 'what's good enough for you isn't good enough for me' hypocrisy.

I'll take it that your answer to my original post is a resounding NO, even though you never actually answer the question, it's pretty obvious. Are you a pastor? Is there one in your family? Why the bias? Why the support of hypocrisy?

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justme6272 said:

You're joking, right? That doesn't even happen in small churches, much less the ones you describe that are so big they supposedly meet 4 times per week.

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bekkilyn said:

If you are expecting your part-time pastor to be working full time hours, then you are being unrealistic.

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Dave-W said:

Anyone who would write such a post as this certainly has NO IDEA what goes into pastoring a congregation of any size. It is not part time. It is more like 80 hours a week.

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justme6272 said:

Especially when the part-time pastor is seen coming into the office at 10 am, taking a leisurely 90 minute lunch at noon, then leaving the office at 4. And you'd never see them volunteering if they were to quit. They'd sit at home on Sunday morning updating their resumes for the next PAID ministry position which they apparently feel they are entitled to cause they went to seminary and therefore fall into another category than the layperson who has been studying their Bible their entire lives and also knows it forward and backward but perhaps aren't as 'eloquent' at putting a sermon together. Nor is the pastor's schedule booked solid with counseling sessions like some sort of high priced psychologist.

"But....but...they have families to support!"

So do the part-time volunteers. They have other jobs. A few relatively rare pastors of smaller churches may work full-time at other jobs, like school teacher, but still get paid by the church. They aren't volunteering.

Everything everyone is doing can be made to be part-time. It's called LESS THAN 40 HOURS OF WORK PER WEEK!

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justme6272 said:

Especially when the part-time pastor is seen coming into the office at 10 am, taking a leisurely 90 minute lunch at noon, then leaving the office at 4. And you'd never see them volunteering if they were to quit. They'd sit at home on Sunday morning updating their resumes for the next PAID ministry position which they apparently feel they are entitled to cause they went to seminary and therefore fall into another category than the layperson who has been studying their Bible their entire lives and also knows it forward and backward but perhaps aren't as 'eloquent' at putting a sermon together. Nor is the pastor's schedule booked solid with counseling sessions like some sort of high priced psychologist.

"But....but...they have families to support!"

So do the part-time volunteers. They have other jobs. A few relatively rare pastors of smaller churches may work full-time at other jobs, like school teacher, but still get paid by the church. They aren't volunteering.

Everything everyone is doing can be made to be part-time. It's called LESS THAN 40 HOURS OF WORK PER WEEK!

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justme6272 said:

Especially when the part-time pastor is seen coming into the office at 10 am, taking a leisurely 90 minute lunch at noon, then leaving the office at 4. And you'd never see them volunteering if they were to quit. They'd sit at home on Sunday morning updating their resumes for the next PAID ministry position which they apparently feel they are entitled to cause they went to seminary and therefore fall into another category than the layperson who has been studying their Bible their entire lives and also knows it forward and backward but perhaps aren't as 'eloquent' at putting a sermon together. Nor is the pastor's schedule booked solid with counseling sessions like some sort of high priced psychologist.

"But....but...they have families to support!"

So do the part-time volunteers. They have other jobs. A few relatively rare pastors of smaller churches may work full-time at other jobs, like school teacher, but still get paid by the church. They aren't volunteering.

Everything everyone is doing can be made to be part-time. It's called LESS THAN 40 HOURS OF WORK PER WEEK!

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Hammster said:

Yeah. I’m not sure why anyone would assume that all pastors are the same. My elders don’t reflect what’s described in the OP.

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justme6272 said:

Especially when the part-time pastor is seen coming into the office at 10 am, taking a leisurely 90 minute lunch at noon, then leaving the office at 4. And you'd never see them volunteering if they were to quit. They'd sit at home on Sunday morning updating their resumes for the next PAID ministry position which they apparently feel they are entitled to cause they went to seminary and therefore fall into another category than the layperson who has been studying their Bible their entire lives and also knows it forward and backward but perhaps aren't as 'eloquent' at putting a sermon together. Nor is the pastor's schedule booked solid with counseling sessions like some sort of high priced psychologist.

"But....but...they have families to support!"

So do the part-time volunteers. They have other jobs. A few relatively rare pastors of smaller churches may work full-time at other jobs, like school teacher, but still get paid by the church. They aren't volunteering.

Everything everyone is doing can be made to be part-time. It's called LESS THAN 40 HOURS OF WORK PER WEEK!

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RBPerry said:

Bingo!, We have all seen it over and over. You must remember that is between the Pastor and God. Too many church members put a pastor on a pedestal and the church board doesn't hold him accountable.

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topher694 said:

Don't buy into that op garbage, it's all bitterness and conjecture.

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RBPerry said:

I have no way of knowing her motives, but I have seen a few pastors that get paid very well and do very little as the op has stated. I've also known pastors that gave some much more than most would expect and for very little. God will sort all that out, I'm not their judge but some things are just obvious. As for me if God called me to preach at a church for free I would do it.

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topher694 said:

Don't buy into that op garbage, it's all bitterness and conjecture.

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RBPerry said:

Hit post before finishing my post, comes with age. Wife and I drove two hours so I could fill in for the pastor, poor church, free will offering was eighteen dollars. I asked the deacon to give it to someone in need. However, I'm retired and have a good retirement so someone needed that money more than me. Also, I'm not an ordained pastor, but I am an Evangelist because I love to share God's love.

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