Translating Isaiah 24:16

pinacled · Oct 1, 2019

pinacled said:
Ya'akov

And within his heart and a helmet of Salvation promised in hope, ya'akov bowed a number of times, along with the family of the Kingdom.

The numerical value of times is not hidden to those with both ears and eyes..

Question, brother laureate, as well as for all readers here;
How many bows had esauv recieved in whole?

LookuntoYeshua · Oct 1, 2019

pinacled said:
And within his heart and a helmet of Salvation promised in hope, ya'akov bowed a number of times, along with the family of the Kingdom.

The numerical value of times is not hidden to those with both ears and eyes..

Question, brother laureate, as well as for all readers here;
How many bows had esauv recieved in whole?

7

pinacled · Oct 1, 2019

His77 said:
7

The total in whole is 25.
7 from the husband,
Then a single bow from each of the 4 wives along with a certain number of children.
There are of course a few other variables to consider in the spirit once the children are mature.

Which is significant to the number of weeks from pesach till......?

Blessings Always

LookuntoYeshua · Oct 1, 2019

pinacled said:
The total in whole is 25.
7 from the husband,
Then a single bow from each of the 4 wives along with a certain number of children.
There are of course a few other variables to consider in the spirit once the children are mature.

Which is significant to the number of weeks from pesach till?

Blessings Always

sukkot?

pinacled · Oct 1, 2019

His77 said:
sukkot?

Amen,

Summer being near as ya'akov bowed 7 times with 7 weeks from pesach.

The fruits of abundance are found after ward.

Bless be The Holy One of Yisrayl.

pinacled · Oct 1, 2019

Laureate said:
I don't suspect everyone will be pleased with this rendering (of Isaiah 24:16), but this is how Rûʷəkʰ H'Kôʷdəsʰ has taught me to translate Hebrew (and Glean with Stammering lips);

"The earth has also been defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant.

When thus it shall be in the midst of the land among the people, there shall be as the shaking of an olive tree, and as the Gleaning grapes when the vintage is done.

They shall lift up their voice, they shall sing for the majesty of Yéhûʷəʰ, they shall cry aloud from the sea.

Wherefore glorify you Yéhûʷəʰ in the fires, even the name of Yéhûʷəʰ Alôhâyîm of Israel in the isles of the sea.

From the uttermost part of the earth have we heard songs, glorifying righteousness.

But I said, רזי לי 'My Secrects' (רזני My Princes) רזי לי 'are Emaciating Me', My Ow'wee!

בגדים בגדו ובגד בגודים בגדו

בגדים 'The Unfaithful' בגדו 'Has Pillaged Them!' ובגד 'Yea With a Troop' (ובגד 'As if it were by Gaʷd) בגודים 'the Unfaithful' בגדו 'Has Pillaged Them'.

בגדים בגדו ובגד ובגודים בגדו
בגדים 'The Treachery of the Unfaithful' בגדו 'Has' Pillaged Them', and בגדו 'Clothed Them' בגד 'With Gaʷd' בגודים בגדו 'the Treachery of the Unfaithful'.

בגדים בגדו ובגד בגודים בגדו
בג די 'Enough Spoil' מבגדו 'From The Pillaged', ובגד 'Now Pillage' בגודים 'The Pillagers, (בג דו 'Spoil Them') בגדו 'With Their Treachery' (ובגד 'Yea, Pillage' בגודים 'The Unfaithful') בגדו 'Along With Their (Treacherous) Gaʷd'. [Isaiah 24:5, & 13-16]

In response to the underlined.
Brother laureate.
Have you ever considered the emaciating gourd shadowing yonah in comparison to the number of times ya'akov be sought favor from esauv?

1Now it displeased Jonah exceedingly, and he was grieved. אוַיֵּ֥רַע אֶל־יוֹנָ֖ה רָעָ֣ה גְדוֹלָ֑ה וַיִּ֖חַר לֽוֹ:
2And he prayed to the Lord and said, "Please, O Lord, was this not my contention while I was still on my land? For this reason I had hastened to flee to Tarshish, for I know that You are a gracious and merciful God, slow to anger, with much kindness, and relenting of evil. בוַיִּתְפַּ֨לֵּל אֶל־יְהֹוָ֜ה וַיֹּאמַ֗ר אָֽנָּ֚ה יְהֹוָה֙ הֲלוֹא־זֶ֣ה דְבָרִ֗י עַד־הֱיוֹתִי֙ עַל־אַדְמָתִ֔י עַל־כֵּ֥ן קִדַּ֖מְתִּי לִבְרֹ֣חַ תַּרְשִׁ֑ישָׁה כִּ֣י יָדַ֗עְתִּי כִּ֚י אַתָּה֙ אֵֽל־חַנּ֣וּן וְרַח֔וּם אֶ֚רֶךְ אַפַּ֙יִם֙ וְרַב־חֶ֔סֶד וְנִחָ֖ם עַל־הָֽרָעָֽה:
3And now, O Lord, take now my soul from me, for my death is better than my life." גוְעַתָּ֣ה יְהֹוָ֔ה קַח־נָ֥א אֶת־נַפְשִׁ֖י מִמֶּ֑נִּי כִּ֛י ט֥וֹב מוֹתִ֖י מֵֽחַיָּֽי:
4And the Lord said: Are you deeply grieved? דוַיֹּ֣אמֶר יְהֹוָ֔ה הַֽהֵיטֵ֖ב חָ֥רָה לָֽךְ:

5And Jonah had gone out of the city, and had stationed himself on the east of the city, and there he made himself a hut and sat under it in the shade until he would see what would happen in the city. הוַיֵּצֵ֚א יוֹנָה֙ מִן־הָעִ֔יר וַיֵּ֖שֶׁב מִקֶּ֣דֶם לָעִ֑יר וַיַּעַשׂ֩ ל֨וֹ שָׁ֜ם סֻכָּ֗ה וַיֵּ֚שֶׁב תַּחְתֶּ֙יהָ֙ בַּצֵּ֔ל עַד אֲשֶׁ֣ר יִרְאֶ֔ה מַה־יִּֽהְיֶ֖ה בָּעִֽיר:

6Now the Lord God appointed a kikayon, and it grew up over Jonah to be shade over his head, to save him from his discomfort, and Jonah was overjoyed with the kikayon. ווַיְמַ֣ן יְהֹוָֽה־אֱ֠לֹהִים קִֽיקָי֞וֹן וַיַּ֣עַל | מֵעַ֣ל לְיוֹנָ֗ה לִֽהְי֥וֹת צֵל֙ עַל־רֹאשׁ֔וֹ לְהַצִּ֥יל ל֖וֹ מֵרָֽעָת֑וֹ וַיִּשְׂמַ֥ח יוֹנָ֛ה עַל־הַקִּֽיקָי֖וֹן שִׂמְחָ֥ה גְדוֹלָֽה:

7Now God appointed a worm at the rise of dawn on the morrow, and the worm attacked the kikayon, and it withered. זוַיְמַ֚ן הָֽאֱלֹהִים֙ תּוֹלַ֔עַת בַּֽעֲל֥וֹת הַשַּׁ֖חַר לַֽמָּֽחֳרָ֑ת וַתַּ֥ךְ אֶת־הַקִּֽיקָי֖וֹן וַיִּיבָֽשׁ:
8Now it came to pass when the sun shone, that God appointed a stilling east wind, and the sun beat on Jonah's head, and he fainted, and he begged to die, and he said, "My death is better than my life." חוַיְהִ֣י | כִּזְרֹ֣חַ הַשֶּׁ֗מֶשׁ וַיְמַ֨ן אֱלֹהִ֜ים ר֚וּחַ קָדִים֙ חֲרִישִׁ֔ית וַתַּ֥ךְ הַשֶּׁ֛מֶשׁ עַל־רֹ֥אשׁ יוֹנָ֖ה וַיִּתְעַלָּ֑ף וַיִּשְׁאַ֚ל אֶת־נַפְשׁוֹ֙ לָמ֔וּת וַיֹּ֕אמֶר ט֥וֹב מוֹתִ֖י מֵֽחַיָּֽי:
9And God said to Jonah; Are you very grieved about the kikayon? And he said, "I am very grieved even to death." טוַיֹּ֚אמֶר אֱלֹהִים֙ אֶל־יוֹנָ֔ה הַֽהֵיטֵ֥ב חָֽרָה־לְךָ֖ עַל־הַקִּֽיקָי֑וֹן וַיֹּ֕אמֶר הֵיטֵ֥ב חָֽרָה־לִ֖י עַד־מָֽוֶת:
10And the Lord said: You took pity on the kikayon, for which you did not toil nor did you make it grow, which one night came into being and the next night perished. יוַיֹּ֣אמֶר יְהֹוָ֗ה אַתָּ֥ה חַ֙סְתָּ֙ עַל־הַקִּ֣יקָי֔וֹן אֲשֶׁ֛ר לֹֽא־עָמַ֥לְתָּ בּ֖וֹ וְלֹ֣א גִדַּלְתּ֑וֹ שֶׁבִּן־לַ֥יְלָה הָיָ֖ה וּבִן־לַ֥יְלָה אָבָֽד:
11Now should I not take pity on Nineveh, the great city, in which there are many more than one hundred twenty thousand people who do not know their right hand from their left, and many beasts as well? יאוַֽאֲנִי֙ לֹ֣א אָח֔וּס עַל־נִֽינְוֵ֖ה הָעִ֣יר הַגְּדוֹלָ֑ה אֲשֶׁ֣ר יֶשׁ־בָּ֡הּ הַרְבֵּה֩ מִֽשְׁתֵּֽים־עֶשְׂרֵ֨ה רִבּ֜וֹ אָדָ֗ם אֲשֶׁ֚ר לֹֽא־יָדַע֙ בֵּֽין־יְמִינ֣וֹ לִשְׂמֹאל֔וֹ וּבְהֵמָ֖ה רַבָּה:

Blessings Always

especially while facing west

pinacled · Oct 1, 2019

pinacled said:
In response to the underlined.
Brother laureate.
Have you ever considered the emaciating gourd shadowing yonah in comparison to the number of times ya'akov be sought favor from esauv?

1Now it displeased Jonah exceedingly, and he was grieved. אוַיֵּ֥רַע אֶל־יוֹנָ֖ה רָעָ֣ה גְדוֹלָ֑ה וַיִּ֖חַר לֽוֹ:
2And he prayed to the Lord and said, "Please, O Lord, was this not my contention while I was still on my land? For this reason I had hastened to flee to Tarshish, for I know that You are a gracious and merciful God, slow to anger, with much kindness, and relenting of evil. בוַיִּתְפַּ֨לֵּל אֶל־יְהֹוָ֜ה וַיֹּאמַ֗ר אָֽנָּ֚ה יְהֹוָה֙ הֲלוֹא־זֶ֣ה דְבָרִ֗י עַד־הֱיוֹתִי֙ עַל־אַדְמָתִ֔י עַל־כֵּ֥ן קִדַּ֖מְתִּי לִבְרֹ֣חַ תַּרְשִׁ֑ישָׁה כִּ֣י יָדַ֗עְתִּי כִּ֚י אַתָּה֙ אֵֽל־חַנּ֣וּן וְרַח֔וּם אֶ֚רֶךְ אַפַּ֙יִם֙ וְרַב־חֶ֔סֶד וְנִחָ֖ם עַל־הָֽרָעָֽה:
3And now, O Lord, take now my soul from me, for my death is better than my life." גוְעַתָּ֣ה יְהֹוָ֔ה קַח־נָ֥א אֶת־נַפְשִׁ֖י מִמֶּ֑נִּי כִּ֛י ט֥וֹב מוֹתִ֖י מֵֽחַיָּֽי:
4And the Lord said: Are you deeply grieved? דוַיֹּ֣אמֶר יְהֹוָ֔ה הַֽהֵיטֵ֖ב חָ֥רָה לָֽךְ:

5And Jonah had gone out of the city, and had stationed himself on the east of the city, and there he made himself a hut and sat under it in the shade until he would see what would happen in the city. הוַיֵּצֵ֚א יוֹנָה֙ מִן־הָעִ֔יר וַיֵּ֖שֶׁב מִקֶּ֣דֶם לָעִ֑יר וַיַּעַשׂ֩ ל֨וֹ שָׁ֜ם סֻכָּ֗ה וַיֵּ֚שֶׁב תַּחְתֶּ֙יהָ֙ בַּצֵּ֔ל עַד אֲשֶׁ֣ר יִרְאֶ֔ה מַה־יִּֽהְיֶ֖ה בָּעִֽיר:

6Now the Lord God appointed a kikayon, and it grew up over Jonah to be shade over his head, to save him from his discomfort, and Jonah was overjoyed with the kikayon. ווַיְמַ֣ן יְהֹוָֽה־אֱ֠לֹהִים קִֽיקָי֞וֹן וַיַּ֣עַל | מֵעַ֣ל לְיוֹנָ֗ה לִֽהְי֥וֹת צֵל֙ עַל־רֹאשׁ֔וֹ לְהַצִּ֥יל ל֖וֹ מֵרָֽעָת֑וֹ וַיִּשְׂמַ֥ח יוֹנָ֛ה עַל־הַקִּֽיקָי֖וֹן שִׂמְחָ֥ה גְדוֹלָֽה:

7Now God appointed a worm at the rise of dawn on the morrow, and the worm attacked the kikayon, and it withered. זוַיְמַ֚ן הָֽאֱלֹהִים֙ תּוֹלַ֔עַת בַּֽעֲל֥וֹת הַשַּׁ֖חַר לַֽמָּֽחֳרָ֑ת וַתַּ֥ךְ אֶת־הַקִּֽיקָי֖וֹן וַיִּיבָֽשׁ:
8Now it came to pass when the sun shone, that God appointed a stilling east wind, and the sun beat on Jonah's head, and he fainted, and he begged to die, and he said, "My death is better than my life." חוַיְהִ֣י | כִּזְרֹ֣חַ הַשֶּׁ֗מֶשׁ וַיְמַ֨ן אֱלֹהִ֜ים ר֚וּחַ קָדִים֙ חֲרִישִׁ֔ית וַתַּ֥ךְ הַשֶּׁ֛מֶשׁ עַל־רֹ֥אשׁ יוֹנָ֖ה וַיִּתְעַלָּ֑ף וַיִּשְׁאַ֚ל אֶת־נַפְשׁוֹ֙ לָמ֔וּת וַיֹּ֕אמֶר ט֥וֹב מוֹתִ֖י מֵֽחַיָּֽי:
9And God said to Jonah; Are you very grieved about the kikayon? And he said, "I am very grieved even to death." טוַיֹּ֚אמֶר אֱלֹהִים֙ אֶל־יוֹנָ֔ה הַֽהֵיטֵ֥ב חָֽרָה־לְךָ֖ עַל־הַקִּֽיקָי֑וֹן וַיֹּ֕אמֶר הֵיטֵ֥ב חָֽרָה־לִ֖י עַד־מָֽוֶת:
10And the Lord said: You took pity on the kikayon, for which you did not toil nor did you make it grow, which one night came into being and the next night perished. יוַיֹּ֣אמֶר יְהֹוָ֗ה אַתָּ֥ה חַ֙סְתָּ֙ עַל־הַקִּ֣יקָי֔וֹן אֲשֶׁ֛ר לֹֽא־עָמַ֥לְתָּ בּ֖וֹ וְלֹ֣א גִדַּלְתּ֑וֹ שֶׁבִּן־לַ֥יְלָה הָיָ֖ה וּבִן־לַ֥יְלָה אָבָֽד:
11Now should I not take pity on Nineveh, the great city, in which there are many more than one hundred twenty thousand people who do not know their right hand from their left, and many beasts as well? יאוַֽאֲנִי֙ לֹ֣א אָח֔וּס עַל־נִֽינְוֵ֖ה הָעִ֣יר הַגְּדוֹלָ֑ה אֲשֶׁ֣ר יֶשׁ־בָּ֡הּ הַרְבֵּה֩ מִֽשְׁתֵּֽים־עֶשְׂרֵ֨ה רִבּ֜וֹ אָדָ֗ם אֲשֶׁ֚ר לֹֽא־יָדַע֙ בֵּֽין־יְמִינ֣וֹ לִשְׂמֹאל֔וֹ וּבְהֵמָ֖ה רַבָּה:

Blessings Always

especially while facing west

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pinacled · Oct 1, 2019

With a single consceince upon what is Holy.
I dare u laureate to respond accordingly

Where do you store a treasure?

pinacled · Oct 1, 2019

Of all the brilliant minds,
I assumed laureate would of seen the 400 men of esauv and the 30 in betrayal with a kiss..

pinacled · Oct 6, 2019

Question for both laureate and all readers here in fellowship.

Did ya'akov and esauv ever bond with avraham the grandfather 3 generations elder during their life?

Laureate · Oct 7, 2019

pinacled said:
In response to the underlined.
Brother laureate.
Have you ever considered the emaciating gourd shadowing yonah in comparison to the number of times ya'akov be sought favor from esauv?

1Now it displeased Jonah exceedingly, and he was grieved. אוַיֵּ֥רַע אֶל־יוֹנָ֖ה רָעָ֣ה גְדוֹלָ֑ה וַיִּ֖חַר לֽוֹ:
2And he prayed to the Lord and said, "Please, O Lord, was this not my contention while I was still on my land? For this reason I had hastened to flee to Tarshish, for I know that You are a gracious and merciful God, slow to anger, with much kindness, and relenting of evil. בוַיִּתְפַּ֨לֵּל אֶל־יְהֹוָ֜ה וַיֹּאמַ֗ר אָֽנָּ֚ה יְהֹוָה֙ הֲלוֹא־זֶ֣ה דְבָרִ֗י עַד־הֱיוֹתִי֙ עַל־אַדְמָתִ֔י עַל־כֵּ֥ן קִדַּ֖מְתִּי לִבְרֹ֣חַ תַּרְשִׁ֑ישָׁה כִּ֣י יָדַ֗עְתִּי כִּ֚י אַתָּה֙ אֵֽל־חַנּ֣וּן וְרַח֔וּם אֶ֚רֶךְ אַפַּ֙יִם֙ וְרַב־חֶ֔סֶד וְנִחָ֖ם עַל־הָֽרָעָֽה:
3And now, O Lord, take now my soul from me, for my death is better than my life." גוְעַתָּ֣ה יְהֹוָ֔ה קַח־נָ֥א אֶת־נַפְשִׁ֖י מִמֶּ֑נִּי כִּ֛י ט֥וֹב מוֹתִ֖י מֵֽחַיָּֽי:
4And the Lord said: Are you deeply grieved? דוַיֹּ֣אמֶר יְהֹוָ֔ה הַֽהֵיטֵ֖ב חָ֥רָה לָֽךְ:

5And Jonah had gone out of the city, and had stationed himself on the east of the city, and there he made himself a hut and sat under it in the shade until he would see what would happen in the city. הוַיֵּצֵ֚א יוֹנָה֙ מִן־הָעִ֔יר וַיֵּ֖שֶׁב מִקֶּ֣דֶם לָעִ֑יר וַיַּעַשׂ֩ ל֨וֹ שָׁ֜ם סֻכָּ֗ה וַיֵּ֚שֶׁב תַּחְתֶּ֙יהָ֙ בַּצֵּ֔ל עַד אֲשֶׁ֣ר יִרְאֶ֔ה מַה־יִּֽהְיֶ֖ה בָּעִֽיר:

6Now the Lord God appointed a kikayon, and it grew up over Jonah to be shade over his head, to save him from his discomfort, and Jonah was overjoyed with the kikayon. ווַיְמַ֣ן יְהֹוָֽה־אֱ֠לֹהִים קִֽיקָי֞וֹן וַיַּ֣עַל | מֵעַ֣ל לְיוֹנָ֗ה לִֽהְי֥וֹת צֵל֙ עַל־רֹאשׁ֔וֹ לְהַצִּ֥יל ל֖וֹ מֵרָֽעָת֑וֹ וַיִּשְׂמַ֥ח יוֹנָ֛ה עַל־הַקִּֽיקָי֖וֹן שִׂמְחָ֥ה גְדוֹלָֽה:

7Now God appointed a worm at the rise of dawn on the morrow, and the worm attacked the kikayon, and it withered. זוַיְמַ֚ן הָֽאֱלֹהִים֙ תּוֹלַ֔עַת בַּֽעֲל֥וֹת הַשַּׁ֖חַר לַֽמָּֽחֳרָ֑ת וַתַּ֥ךְ אֶת־הַקִּֽיקָי֖וֹן וַיִּיבָֽשׁ:
8Now it came to pass when the sun shone, that God appointed a stilling east wind, and the sun beat on Jonah's head, and he fainted, and he begged to die, and he said, "My death is better than my life." חוַיְהִ֣י | כִּזְרֹ֣חַ הַשֶּׁ֗מֶשׁ וַיְמַ֨ן אֱלֹהִ֜ים ר֚וּחַ קָדִים֙ חֲרִישִׁ֔ית וַתַּ֥ךְ הַשֶּׁ֛מֶשׁ עַל־רֹ֥אשׁ יוֹנָ֖ה וַיִּתְעַלָּ֑ף וַיִּשְׁאַ֚ל אֶת־נַפְשׁוֹ֙ לָמ֔וּת וַיֹּ֕אמֶר ט֥וֹב מוֹתִ֖י מֵֽחַיָּֽי:
9And God said to Jonah; Are you very grieved about the kikayon? And he said, "I am very grieved even to death." טוַיֹּ֚אמֶר אֱלֹהִים֙ אֶל־יוֹנָ֔ה הַֽהֵיטֵ֥ב חָֽרָה־לְךָ֖ עַל־הַקִּֽיקָי֑וֹן וַיֹּ֕אמֶר הֵיטֵ֥ב חָֽרָה־לִ֖י עַד־מָֽוֶת:
10And the Lord said: You took pity on the kikayon, for which you did not toil nor did you make it grow, which one night came into being and the next night perished. יוַיֹּ֣אמֶר יְהֹוָ֗ה אַתָּ֥ה חַ֙סְתָּ֙ עַל־הַקִּ֣יקָי֔וֹן אֲשֶׁ֛ר לֹֽא־עָמַ֥לְתָּ בּ֖וֹ וְלֹ֣א גִדַּלְתּ֑וֹ שֶׁבִּן־לַ֥יְלָה הָיָ֖ה וּבִן־לַ֥יְלָה אָבָֽד:
11Now should I not take pity on Nineveh, the great city, in which there are many more than one hundred twenty thousand people who do not know their right hand from their left, and many beasts as well? יאוַֽאֲנִי֙ לֹ֣א אָח֔וּס עַל־נִֽינְוֵ֖ה הָעִ֣יר הַגְּדוֹלָ֑ה אֲשֶׁ֣ר יֶשׁ־בָּ֡הּ הַרְבֵּה֩ מִֽשְׁתֵּֽים־עֶשְׂרֵ֨ה רִבּ֜וֹ אָדָ֗ם אֲשֶׁ֚ר לֹֽא־יָדַע֙ בֵּֽין־יְמִינ֣וֹ לִשְׂמֹאל֔וֹ וּבְהֵמָ֖ה רַבָּה:

Blessings Always

especially while facing west

The Gourd is twofold as is the Worm;

In one sense the Gourd represents the Keiki (Children) of Îsʰraəl, and Yonah is the Worm, ironically Yonah also represents the Gourd, and the Pride (of those who do not know their right from their left), is the Worm eating away at him, they are the members of his own flesh and blood that wish he were dead;

Îsʰraəl was raised to provide comfort, but the Pride of Adam rose in his heart, and attacked him, and carried him off to Assyria, where he became the Worm that ate away Assyria, (who was also a Birthright raised to bring Comfort).

From where I stand, I see One Man troubled with his own inability to get it right, to the point of preferring death over life.

We are Alôhâyîm, and before we cross over we are resolute in our purpose to be perfect, and anything that falls short of it is unacceptable.

So when we find ourselves on the other side of the veil making a debauchery of our purpose we are not happy to say the least.

pinacled · Oct 7, 2019

Laureate said:
The Gourd is twofold as is the Worm;

In one sense the Gourd represents the Keiki (Children) of Îsʰraəl, and Yonah is the Worm, ironically Yonah also represents the Gourd, and the Pride (of those who do not know their right from their left), is the Worm eating away at him, they are the members of his own flesh and blood that wish he were dead;

Îsʰraəl was raised to provide comfort, but the Pride of Adam rose in his heart, and attacked him, and carried him off to Assyria, where he became the Worm that ate away Assyria, (who was also a Birthright raised to bring Comfort).

From where I stand, I see One Man troubled with his own inability to get it right, to the point of preferring death over life.

We are Alôhâyîm, and before we cross over we are resolute in our purpose to be perfect, and anything that falls short of it is unacceptable.

So when we find ourselves on the other side of the veil making a debauchery of our purpose we are not happy to say the least.

Ah,
Yet truth lies in stones of righteousness.

As I was once in pain and suffering in my early youth it seemed as if forgiveness was far from perfection.
I once had an ideal what perfection entailed.
Precision was once my own personal self discipline in life and art.
Then The Lord introduced me to a very kind person who asked me to explore the very gift of art that the Lord so wonderfully instilled in me.
I learned that perfection such as precise symmetry and measure were like a blade to a canvass. Once I let go of the ridgity of such an ideal goal of attaining perfection the eyes of my heart were opened.

In a sense I agree with the representation of the worm that you have explained..
A worm is external just as a fruit is to a tree.
Like leaven in the air is to bread and leaves.

Once a person realizes this Truth with The Ruach Hakodesh giving comfort. A son or daughter will find fellowship with Yeshua and be given a strength to abstain from all appearances of the evil one, "elihu(satan).

Blessings Always

pinacled · Oct 7, 2019

Laureate said:
The Gourd is twofold as is the Worm;

In one sense the Gourd represents the Keiki (Children) of Îsʰraəl, and Yonah is the Worm, ironically Yonah also represents the Gourd, and the Pride (of those who do not know their right from their left), is the Worm eating away at him, they are the members of his own flesh and blood that wish he were dead;

Îsʰraəl was raised to provide comfort, but the Pride of Adam rose in his heart, and attacked him, and carried him off to Assyria, where he became the Worm that ate away Assyria, (who was also a Birthright raised to bring Comfort).

From where I stand, I see One Man troubled with his own inability to get it right, to the point of preferring death over life.

We are Alôhâyîm, and before we cross over we are resolute in our purpose to be perfect, and anything that falls short of it is unacceptable.

So when we find ourselves on the other side of the veil making a debauchery of our purpose we are not happy to say the least.

The gourd reminds me of a lesson in unforgiveness like the fruition of edom from esauv.
Where instruction is given in the Royal Torah to abstain from marking the flesh(bread/fruit) with death.
I hear certain scars during suffering for righteousness to be a mark of unleavened bread as ole sh'aul spoke of bearing.

Blessed be The Holy One

Laureate · Oct 7, 2019

pinacled said:
With a single consceince upon what is Holy.
I dare u laureate to respond accordingly

Where do you store a treasure?

Please pardon my tardy, and absent presence in the forum, I am a one man operation here on the farm where I prep cook, serve, and provide shelter for well over a hundred mouths, and that is just a fraction of my responsibilities, how I find time to communicate with anyone outside of my immediate life is miraculous. ❤

Please do not take my scarce presence personally. ❤

When I am afforded the time, it will be my pleasure to give your posts my full undivided attention, and a response where it is applicable, but at the moment, I have one too many crisis occurring simultaneously, and they beckoned for my attention.

pinacled · Oct 7, 2019

Laureate said:
Please pardon my tardy, and absent presence in the forum, I am a one man operation here on the farm where I prep cook, serve, and provide shelter for well over a hundred mouths, and that is just a fraction of my responsibilities, how I find time to communicate with anyone outside of my immediate life is miraculous. ❤

Please do not take my scarce presence personally. ❤

When I am afforded the time, it will be my pleasure to give your posts my full undivided attention, and a response where it is applicable, but at the moment, I have one too many crisis occurring simultaneously, and they beckoned for my attention.

The school of thought I come from places time like patience with a conversation in oil.

Blessings Always

LookuntoYeshua · Oct 8, 2019

pinacled said:
Question for both laureate and all readers here in fellowship.

Did ya'akov and esauv ever bond with avraham the grandfather 3 generations elder during their life?

By trusting, Avraham obeyed, after being called to go out to a place which God would give him as a possession; indeed, he went out without knowing where he was going. 9 By trusting, he lived as a temporary resident in the Land of the promise, as if it were not his, staying in tents with Yitz’chak and Ya‘akov, who were to receive what was promised along with him. 10 For he was looking forward to the city with permanent foundations, of which the architect and builder is God.

pinacled · Oct 9, 2019

Laureate said:
Please pardon my tardy, and absent presence in the forum, I am a one man operation here on the farm where I prep cook, serve, and provide shelter for well over a hundred mouths, and that is just a fraction of my responsibilities, how I find time to communicate with anyone outside of my immediate life is miraculous. ❤

Please do not take my scarce presence personally. ❤

When I am afforded the time, it will be my pleasure to give your posts my full undivided attention, and a response where it is applicable, but at the moment, I have one too many crisis occurring simultaneously, and they beckoned for my attention.

In the spirit of patience and hope I adore the measure of gifts offered from your heart toward the Will Of Yeshua.

My concern is the influence the gourd has had on your life..

Have you ever considered ya'akov to be relative to yonah in warning his brother?

Perhaps yonah may of lacked in knowledge of Torah yet still listened to Our Lord of Lights voice in his heart while observing the corruptable gourd..
What you may of missed is that while the gourd wasted away, yonah still had the voice of The Eternal Lord instructing him well after such.

Blessings Always

pinacled · Oct 9, 2019

Question for all readers;

Have you ever considered yonah to be a representation of ya'akov and the gourd to represent esauv.?

Daniel Marsh · Oct 10, 2019

Laureate said:
I don't suspect everyone will be pleased with this rendering (of Isaiah 24:16), but this is how Rûʷəkʰ H'Kôʷdəsʰ has taught me to translate Hebrew (and Glean with Stammering lips);

"The earth has also been defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant.

When thus it shall be in the midst of the land among the people, there shall be as the shaking of an olive tree, and as the Gleaning grapes when the vintage is done.

They shall lift up their voice, they shall sing for the majesty of Yéhûʷəʰ, they shall cry aloud from the sea.

Wherefore glorify you Yéhûʷəʰ in the fires, even the name of Yéhûʷəʰ Alôhâyîm of Israel in the isles of the sea.

From the uttermost part of the earth have we heard songs, glorifying righteousness.

But I said, רזי לי 'My Secrects' (רזני My Princes) רזי לי 'are Emaciating Me', My Ow'wee!

בגדים בגדו ובגד בגודים בגדו

בגדים 'The Unfaithful' בגדו 'Has Pillaged Them!' ובגד 'Yea With a Troop' (ובגד 'As if it were by Gaʷd) בגודים 'the Unfaithful' בגדו 'Has Pillaged Them'.

בגדים בגדו ובגד ובגודים בגדו
בגדים 'The Treachery of the Unfaithful' בגדו 'Has' Pillaged Them', and בגדו 'Clothed Them' בגד 'With Gaʷd' בגודים בגדו 'the Treachery of the Unfaithful'.

בגדים בגדו ובגד בגודים בגדו
בג די 'Enough Spoil' מבגדו 'From The Pillaged', ובגד 'Now Pillage' בגודים 'The Pillagers, (בג דו 'Spoil Them') בגדו 'With Their Treachery' (ובגד 'Yea, Pillage' בגודים 'The Unfaithful') בגדו 'Along With Their (Treacherous) Gaʷd'. [Isaiah 24:5, & 13-16]

Isaiah 24:16 Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)
16 We hear songs of praise for God from every place on earth.
They praise the God who does what is right.
But I say, “Enough!
I have had enough.
What I see is terrible.
Traitors are turning against people and hurting them.”

pinacled · Oct 14, 2019

Daniel Marsh said:
Isaiah 24:16 Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)
16 We hear songs of praise for God from every place on earth.
They praise the God who does what is right.
But I say, “Enough!
I have had enough.
What I see is terrible.
Traitors are turning against people and hurting them.”

Wild and youthful grapevines with thorns and no fruits

Translating Isaiah 24:16

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