Romans 6 is a perfect example of missing critical truth!

BCsenior said:

I know you don't, but you do believe in cessationism!
At least you believe in something! ... even though it is false doctrine!

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I used to be Pentecostal but ......

yeshuaslavejeff said:

for further personal (not on this thread) development: >>>

"Search only for illness caused cocaine "vs" sugar?"
"What Do Sugar and Cocaine Have In Common?
What Do Sugar and Cocaine Have In Common?
The Effects of Sugar. Eating sugary foods makes people hungry and tired, and causes them to gain weight. Refined sugar is void of minerals needed for enzymes, can cause mineral deficiencies, interferes with the actions of calcium and magnesium, increases inflammation, increases erratic brain cell firing, and has been implicated in aggression.

"Is Sugar More Addictive Than Cocaine? | Here & Now
Is Sugar More Addictive Than Cocaine?
He recently published a comprehensive review of dozens of studies in which he contends that sugar is more dangerous than salt when it comes to risk for heart disease.

"Study Shows Sugar is More Addictive Than Cocaine ...
Study Shows THIS Common Food Additive is More Addictive than Cocaine!
The Human Brain On Sugar. When a person attempts to cut off their sugar addiction, it can be tough. Food manufacturers are smart. They know that's how the brain works and so they cram their products to the brim with refined sugar for the sake of profit. And the profits are huge - in the billions for companies like Coca Cola."

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You still have not explained why eating sugar is a transgression of the law?

BCsenior said:

Surely, all BACs believe they have God in them!
It's not this truth to which you refer ...
it's the power of "God in us" that you wish to stress!
Am I correct?

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It's all there in Isaiah 11...

Six of the seven have nothing to do with power.

And these are not spiritual gifts... they come as a package deal with His indwelling when we are born again.

dqhall said:

I have read books by doctors: Ornish, Esselstyn, Greger, Campbell, Fuhrman, et alia.

Dr. Michael Greger wrote about his 65 year old grandmother being sent home to die after her coronary bypasses clogged with plaque. She went to an inpatient clinic operated by Dr. Robert Pritikin and went on a modified primarily plant based, low fat diet with exercise. She lost weight and continued her strict diet; living well into her 90’s. (“How Not to Die,” by Dr. Michael Greger.)

Dr. Dean Ornish teaches a low fat, no added sugar or salt, vegan diet. He reversed his own heart disease and provided angiogram evidence to show arteries of his patients’ arteries becoming unblocked. Without a strict program of diet and exercise, people only get worse. From, “Preventing and Reversing Heart Disease,” by Dr. Dean Ornish.

I lost about 25 lbs and lowered my blood pressure. I spent many hours trying to perfect my diet through reading books, articles and clinical study results.

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Most people would struggle to maintain any form of a healthy diet. I have seen hundreds of people after having heart surgery relapse back into their older and unhealthy dietary habits.

Most people cannot maintain a regular exercise regime. I think the figures are close to ninety percent of the population that does not follow a regular exercise schedule.

Anyone proclaiming regular exercise and a healthy diet combined are talking to a very small group of people in society.

BCsenior said:

If you really were Pentecostal (baptized with the Holy Spirit),
I don't see how you could be against it now.

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I was saved and filled with the Spirit apart from any church involvement. From there I began looking for a church and ended up in an AoG church learning their ways. Myer Pearlman, Dake Bible, Derek Prince, Gordon Lindsay, etc. Going on Calvinist witch hunts, and the like. But the Lord delivered me out of it all to where I am today. I began a teenage Arminian, Dispensationalist Pentecostal. Today I'm in agreement with the first 3 points of Calvinism, Amillennial, cessationist, Early english Baptist of the London Confession sort.

BCsenior said:

Thanks for the testimony!
What do you mean by "filled with the Spirit"?
Almost all non-pentecostal/charismatics believe they are!
And, if you don't mind ...
What other than "Going on Calvinist witch hunts" were you delivered from?
Thanks.

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I used to say I received the Baptism of the Holy Spirit when God saved me. But the filling of the Holy Spirit is more precise. Only the Apostles had the Baptism, and those they laid their hands on who then spoke in tongues. Of course there were two outpourings giving the same results. But the rest received the Holy Spirit filling without speaking in tongues. This is an entirely different topic and best to open a new thread if we want to look into it.

BCsenior said:

Welcome to ... The Second Death in the Lake of Fire
IMO, the following is Father God speaking to EVERYONE (BACs included) ...
Revelation 21:
7 He who overcomes shall inherit all things, and I will be his God and he shall be My son.
8 But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers,
idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone,
which is the second death.”

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And who is he who overcomes? The one who has, by grace through faith, been placed in the Great Overcomer, Jesus Christ, the Saviour. He is our redemption, justification and sanctification (1 Corinthians 1:30) . He is the believer's very life (Colossians 3:4; John 15:5). In him, all born-again children of God are overcomers.

This is where you and I differ most widely. You think you've got something to add to Christ, to his perfection and work at Calvary. Under the guise of the pursuit of holiness, you set yourself next to Christ, as co-Saviour, contributing your flawed, paltry self-effort to his glorious and finished atonement as the Lamb of God.

I, on the other hand, understand that the hymn writer was correct when he wrote, "Nothing in my hand I bring, only to thy cross I cling." I am acceptable to God only and ever because I am in Christ. He is the only reason God accepts me. God's standard is perfection and no one but Christ can meet that standard. To think, then, as you do that I can contribute to his perfection, make it more complete, and thus make myself more acceptable to God is to diminish Christ and blasphemously elevate myself.

BCsenior said:

The aiki, and many others, do NOT understand who the "overcomers" are!
They are NOT those spoken of in 1 John 5:4-5
... for those folks have ONLY overcome "the world".
Jesus expects far more ...
Revelation 3:
21 To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me on My throne,
as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.

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Can you die for the sins of the whole world? No. Can any believer do so? Absolutely not. Who, then, can be like Christ, overcoming sin, the devil and death itself on the cross? No one. And this is why we need to be "in him," clothed in his perfect righteousness, washed and renewed by his Spirit.

If there is one who does not understand what it means to "overcome," it is you BCsenior. Not content to be deceived yourself, you work to make others likewise deceived, preaching a false and blasphemous works-salvation. Be warned: God will reward you according to your deeds.

BCsenior said:

Sorry, I'm not an OT guy.
IMO, the reason that you have some spiritual misunderstandings
is that you are too involved in the OT and not involved enough in the NT.

The old covenant is history (NO, obsolete) ... we are in the new covenant.
What is necessary that is missing in the NT that is found in the OT?
Perhaps, you are aware of something?

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Actually I am in the NT a lot more, but took five and a half years reading nothing but Bible - no Christian books - nothing. Then I attended a non-denominational Bible College.

I highly recommend reading the whole of God's Word not just the NT. There in much more than History in there, you will encounter Jesus in the OT again and again if you read with the help of the Holy Spirit.

BCsenior said:

Okay, good ... Can you come up with an answer for this? ...
What is necessary that is missing in the NT that is found in the OT?

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Not what someone else was /is/ referring to,
but most people everywhere today never realize (as they did in OT and NT) being echad with the Son and with the Father.

(might be part of , as the title says, "missing critical truth" ?)

BCsenior said:

This is unbelievable!
You are making up your own doctrine about who an overcomer is!
None of your 3 references above mention "overcoming" at all.

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As some say,
as seen on the internet daily,
"truth is stranger than fiction" ..... (and, btw, a LOT MORE RARE)

BCsenior said:

Okay, good ... Can you come up with an answer for this? ...
What is necessary that is missing in the NT that is found in the OT?

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The answer of found here: 2 Tim 3:16

16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for instruction, for conviction, for correction, and for training in righteousness, 17 so that the man of God may be complete, fully equipped for every good work.…

One needs to be versed in the Whole of God's Word to be Fully Equipped.

By the way Paul was referring to the OT at that time.

Are we to be accountable to the Whole Bible or just the NT ??