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Nope, the so called "post" Christian era is a direct , practical, unaviodably natural result of Christianity being robbed of a scriptural vision of the future. And; having that vision erroneously replaced with the apocalyptic prophecy of the last two ages. ...................
Again. What prophecy that pertains to this age am I referring to? Here are just 3 chapters of a hundred plus. The Bride of Christ
It pertained to the 1st century age and generation culminating in 70ad...........

The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD
Proof that Matthew 24 was fully fulfilled in 70 AD!
Also see:
Rapture refuted

Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized- Poll Thread

Matthew 24:3
Yet of Him sitting on the Mount of the Olives, the Disciples came toward to Him according to own saying "be telling to us!
when shall these be being?
and what the sign of Thy parousia<3952> and full-consummation<4930> of the Age?

Mark 13
3 And of sitting of Him into the Mount of the Olives over against the Temple,
Peter and James and John and Andrew inquired<1905> of Him according to own
4 Tell us! when these shall be?
and what the sign whenever may be being about<3195> all these to be fully-consummated<4931>.
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"THIS GENERATION" in Bible

Matthew 24:34
Amen I am saying to ye, not no may be passing-away the generation, this-one, till ever all these may be becoming.

amhn legw umin ou mh parelqh h genea auth ewV an panta tauta genhtai

Mark 13:30
Amen I am saying to ye not no may be passing-away the generation, this-one unto of which any these all may be becoming
Luke 21:32
“Amen I am saying to ye, not no may be passing-away the generation, this-one, till ever all things may be becoming.
 
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It pertained to the 1st century age and generation culminating in 70ad...........

The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD
Proof that Matthew 24 was fully fulfilled in 70 AD!
Also see:
Rapture refuted

Matthew 24:3
Yet of Him sitting on the Mount of the Olives, the Disciples came toward to Him according to own saying "be telling to us!
when shall these be being?
and what the sign of Thy parousia<3952> and full-consummation<4930> of the Age?

Mark 13
3 And of sitting of Him into the Mount of the Olives over against the Temple,
Peter and James and John and Andrew inquired<1905> of Him according to own
4 Tell us! when these shall be?
and what the sign whenever may be being about<3195> all these to be fully-consummated<4931>.
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"THIS GENERATION" in Bible

Matthew 24:34
Amen I am saying to ye, not no may be passing-away the generation, this-one, till ever all these may be becoming.

amhn legw umin ou mh parelqh h genea auth ewV an panta tauta genhtai

Mark 13:30
Amen I am saying to ye not no may be passing-away the generation, this-one unto of which any these all may be becoming
Luke 21:32
“Amen I am saying to ye, not no may be passing-away the generation , this-one, till ever all things may be becoming.
I didn’t mean we are in the end times because Christians have accepted false prophecy in the guise of end time prophecy teachings. I put the word post in parentheses because this is just a temporary phenomena. Temporary in the sense that it will only last until Christians generally re awaken to the good news prophecy that applies to this age. Then they will overcome this .”post christian” era of the last century. God will see to it. As per his Word.
 
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I didn’t mean we are in the end times because Christians have accepted false prophecy in the guise of end time prophecy teachings. I put the word post in parentheses because this is just a temporary phenomena. Temporary in the sense that it will only last until Christians generally re awaken to the good news prophecy that applies to this age. Then they will overcome this .”post christian” era of the last century. God will see to it. As per his Word.
Hello Daniel.
I wish more Bible versions would use that phrase.........

Strong's Concordance with Hebrew and Greek Lexicon

2097. euaggelizo from 2095 and 32;
to announce good news ("evangelize") especially the gospel:--declare, bring (declare, show) glad (good) tidings, preach (the gospel).
2095. eu neuter of a primary eus
(good); (adverbially) well:--good, well (done)
32. aggelos from aggello (probably derived from 71; compare 34)
(to bring tidings); a messenger; especially an "angel"; by implication, a pastor:--angel, messenger.

Genesis 1:1 (YLT)
G2097
εὐαγγελίζω (euaggelizō) occurs 61 times in 52 verses
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"DAYS OF VENGEANCE" Isaiah 61:2 and Luke 21:22 Revelation

Isaiah 61:2
To proclaim the year of the good pleasure of Yahweh,
And the day of vengeance<5359> of our 'Elohiym, To comfort all mourners.

Luk 4:18
'The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, Because He did anoint me; To proclaim good news to the poor, Sent me to heal the broken of heart, To proclaim to captives deliverance, And to blind receiving of sight, To send away the bruised with deliverance,

Luke 21:
22 That days of vengeance<1557> these are, of the to be fulfilled<4130> all the having been written
23 “But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days!
For there will be great Distress in the land and Wrath<3709> upon this people.
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Mat 24:14
and this good news of the reign shall be proclaimed in all the world, for a testimony to all the nations; and then shall the end arrive.
1Pe 4:17
because it is the time of the beginning of the judgment from the house of God, and if first from us, what the end of those disobedient to the good news of God?

Rom 1:16
for I am not ashamed of the good news of the Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation to every one who is believing, both to Jew first, and to Greek.

2Co 4:4
in whom the god of this age did blind the minds of the unbelieving, that there doth not shine forth to them the enlightening of the good news of the glory of the Christ, who is the image of God;

Eph 1:13
in whom ye also, having heard the word of the truth -- the good news of your salvation -- in whom also having believed, ye were sealed with the Holy Spirit of the promise,
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Last time used:
Rev 14:6
And I saw another messenger flying in mid-heaven, having good news age-during to proclaim to those dwelling upon the earth, and to every nation, and tribe, and tongue, and people,
 
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The proper explanation is simple. The 70 weeks finished 3 1/2 years after the crucifixion. Can someone explain why they believe the 70th week ends in AD 70? I suspect it is to do with verse 26 of Dan. 9. But there is a better way of interpreting that verse.
I may be posting prematurely, because I've only read your OP, Christian Gedge. I'm a preterist, but I also agree that the timeline of Daniel ends 3 1/2 years after the crucifixion. I understand these to be the years (in the illustration below).

I've read that the forty years AFTER the "seventy weeks of Daniel" were a transition time between two distinct epochs (as the number 40 often represents in the Bible):

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Daniel’s Seventy Weeks – The Preterist Archive of Realized Eschatology

Augustine: Letters on Matthew 24 and “The End of the World” (400-430)
Augustine: Letters on Matthew 24 and “The End of the World” (400-430)

By Augustine of Hippo
0400-430
“all the signs that the gospel discloses above to its readers have been for the most part realized.”

I think that the one about the weeks of Daniel in particular should be understood in terms of time that is already past. He was correct to tell the Jews that the times were completed, because their times came to an end thirty-five or forty years after he preached.

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To his most blessed lord, Hesychius, Augustine sends greetings.

1. Since your son and our fellow priest Cornutus, from whom I received the letter of Your Reverence by which you were so kind as to visit my lowly self, is returning to Your Holiness, I am by my reply fulfilling my duty of greeting you in turn, while strongly commending myself to your prayers, which are most acceptable to the Lord, my lord and most blessed brother. Concerning the prophetic statements or predictions about which you wanted me to write some thing, I thought it better to send to Your Beatitude explanations of the same words by the holy Jerome, a most learned man, taken from his works, in case you do not have them. If you have them, however, and they do not satisfy your questions, I ask you not to hesitate to write back to me what you thinks of them and how you yourself understand those prophetic utterances. For I think that the one about the weeks of Daniel in particular should be understood in terms of time that is already past. For I do not dare to calculate the time of the coming of the savior that is expected in the end, nor do I think that any prophet has determined ahead of time the number of years before that event but rather that what the Lord said holds true, No one can know the times that the Father determined by his own authority (Acts 1: 7).

2. As for what he says in another passage, Concerning that day and hour, however, no one knows (Mt 4:36; Mk 13:32), there are some who interpret this so that they think that they can calculate the times; it is only the exact day and hour that no one can know. I omit here the way the scriptures are also accustomed to use “day” or “hour” in place of “time.” But surely what was said about not knowing the times was spoken with perfect clarity. For, when the Lord was questioned about this by his disciples, he said, No one can know the times that the Father has established by his own authority (Acts 1:7). For he did not say “day” or “hour” but times, which usually does not refer to a short stretch, like “day” or “hour,” especially if we look at the Greek words. For we know that the same book in which this was written was translated into ours from that language, even though it could not be exactly expressed in Latin. For in Greek we read at this point, ποϖοϖ ιϕ Καιποϖ. Our books translate both ξποϖοω; and Καιποϖ as “times,” though these two words have a significant difference between them.

The Greeks call Καιποϖ certain times, not the times that pass in the course of events but the times in events that are felt to be auspicious or inauspicious for something, for example, the harvest, vintage, heat, cold, peace, war, and any like these. But they call stretches of time ξποϖοω;.

3. And the apostles certainly did not ask this in the sense that they wanted to know the one last day or hour, that is, a small part of the day, but whether it was now the auspicious time for the kingdom of Israel to be restored. At that point they heard, No one can know the times that the Father has determined by his own authority, that is, ξπβϖοϖ ιϕ Κχυποϖ. But if in Latin we said “times and auspicious moments,” we would not express in that way what was said. For, whether the times are auspicious or inauspicious, they are called Καυποι, but to calculate the times, that is, ποϖοϖλ, in order to know when the end of this world or the coming of Christ will be, seems to me to be nothing else than to want to know what he himself said that no one can know...........

47. For by means of an oath the Lord also promised not the Romans but all nations to the offspring of Abraham. [48] Because of that promise it has already come about that some nations that are not subject to Roman rule have received the gospel and have been united to the Church, which is bearing fruit and increasing in the whole world. [49] For it still has room to increase until it becomes what was foretold of Christ through Solomon, who symbolized him, He will have dominion from sea to sea and from the river to the ends of the earth (Ps 72:8)—from the river, that is, where he was baptized because he began to preach the gospel from there, [50] but from sea to sea there is spread out the whole world with all the nations, because the world is girded by the sea called Ocean. But how will that prophecy otherwise be fulfilled, All the nations whom you have made will come and worship before you, O Lord (Ps 86:9)? For they will not come by migrating from their own places but by believing in their own places. The Lord, to be sure, said of believers, No one can come to me unless it has been given him by my Father (Jn 6:66). The prophet, however, says, And they will worship him, each from his own place, all the islands of the nations (Zep 2:11 ). He said all the

47. See Mt 24:14.

48. See Gn 22:16-18; 26:3-4.

49. See Col 1:6.

50. Set Mt 3:13-16; Mk 1:9; Lk3:21.

islands as if to say “even all the islands,” showing from this that there will be no land left where the Church does not exist, since no island will be left. Some of them are located even in Ocean, and we have learned that some of them have already received the gospel. And so even in each individual island there are being fulfilled the words, He will have dominion from sea to sea (Ps 72:8), the sea by which each island is girt. It is the same way in the whole world, which is in a sense like the largest island of all because Ocean girds it. And we know that the Church has arrived in the East at its shores, and to whatever shores of it she has not come, she will come as she bears fruit and increases. [51]..................................

49. How, then, was this preaching completed by the apostles since there are still nations—and this is completely certain for us—in which it is now beginning and in which it has not yet begun to be completed? And so it was not said to the apostles, You will be my witnesses in Jerusalem and in all of Judea and Samaria and to the end of the earth (Acts 1:8), as if they alone to whom he was then speaking were going to complete so great a task. Rather, who can fail to under stand that, just as he seems to have said to them alone, See, I am with you up to the end of the world (Mt 28:20), he nonetheless promised it to the whole Church, which, as some die and others are born, will last here until the end of the world. In the same way he said to them what does not at all pertain to them, and yet it was said to them as if it even pertained to them alone, When you see all these things, know that he is near, right at the door (Mt 24:33; Mk 1 3:29). For to whom does this pertain but to those who will be living in the body when all these things will

51. See Col 1:6.

52. See Ps 86:9.

53. See Mt 24:31; Mk 13:27.

54. See Eph l:4.

be accomplished? How much more does that hold for what was largely to be done by them, though the same action was continued also by their successors? 50. The apostle said, Have they not heard? Their voice has gone out through the whole earth, and their words have reached the ends of the world. (Rom 10: 1 8; Ps 19:5) Though he used verbs in the past tense, yet he said what was going to be, not what was already done and completed. In the same way the prophet, whom he used as a witness, did not say, “It will go out through the whole earth,” but, Their voice has gone out, though of course this had not yet happened. In the same way scripture said, They have pierced my hands and feet (Ps 22: 17), which we know happened long afterward. But so that we do not suppose that these ways of speaking are found only in the prophets and not also in the apostles, did not the same apostle say, It is the Church of the living God, a pillar and foundation of the truth. And undoubtedly it is a great sacrament of piety that has been revealed in the flesh, has been justified in the spirit, was seen by the angels, preached to the nations, believed throughout the world, and assumed into glory (1 Tm 3:15-16)? It is evident, of course, that what he put in the last place has not yet been realized. How much less was that the case when he said these things?...............................

51 . Much less should we be surprised that he also used verbs of the present tense in the statement, which you likewise mentioned that he made, On account of the hope that has been stored away for us, of which you have heard before in the word of the truth, that is, of the gospel that has come among you, as it is also bearing fruit and increasing in all the world (Col 1 :5-6), although the gospel had not yet taken hold of the whole world. But he said that it was bearing fruit and increasing in the whole world in order to signify how far it would go by bearing fruit and increasing. If, then, we do not know when, as the Church bears fruit and increases, the whole world will be absolutely filled from sea to sea,55 we undoubtedly do not know when the end will be; it will, of course, not be before that......................

55. See Ps 72:8; Sir 44:23; Amos 8:12.

good servants who carefully and soberly manage their master’s household, desiring ardently the coming of their master, awaiting him with vigilance, and loving him faithfully, even if one of them thinks that the master will come sooner and another that he will come later, while the third admits his ignorance about this. And though they are all in accord with the gospel, because they all long for the coming of the Lord, desire it, and vigilantly await it, [56] let us still see which of them is more fully in accord with the gospel.

53. One says, “Let us watch and pray because the Lord is going to come sooner.” The second says, “Let us watch and pray because this life is both short and uncertain, though the Lord is going to come later.” The third says, “Let us watch and pray, because this life is both short and uncertain, and we do not know the time when the Lord will come.” The gospel says, Pay attention; watch and pray, for you do not know when the time may be (Mt 1 3:3). I ask you, what else do we hear this third person say but what we hear the gospel say? All, in fact, because of their desire for the kingdom of God, want what the first one said to be true, but the second denies this, while the third does not deny either of them but admits that he does not know which of them is speaking the truth. Hence, if what the first one predicted comes about, the second and third will rejoice with him. For all of them long for the coming of the Lord. [57] And so they will exult because what they long for has come sooner. But if this does not happen and what the second said instead begins to appear to be true, we would have to fear that, amid these delays, those who believed what the first one said may be disturbed and begin to think that the coming of the Lord will not be late but will not be at all.

And you see what great harm that is for souls. But if they are people of such great faith that they change their views to the predictions of the second person and faithfully and patiently await the Lord, even though he is slow in coming, there will nonetheless be an abundance of reproaches, insults, and scorn from their enemies, who will turn many weak persons away from the Christian faith, saying that the promise of the kingdom is as false as the promise that it was going to come quickly. But if those who believe what the second one says, namely, that the Lord is going to come more slowly, find out that this is false when the Lord comes sooner, those who believed him will by no means be disturbed in their faith but will rejoice over their unexpected joy.

54. Hence, one who says that the Lord will come sooner says what is more desirable but is in danger if mistaken. Would, then, that it be true, because it will cause trouble if it is not. But the one who says that the Lord will come later, and yet believes, hopes, and loves his coming, even if he is mistaken about his slow ness, is of course mistaken, though happily so. For he will have greater patience if this is the case and greater joy if it is not. And for this reason the first one is

56. See 2 Tm 4:8.

57. See 2 Tm 4:8.

58. See 2 Tm 4:8.
 
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Sorry, the Bible does not prophesy the end of the earth as we know it. Just the end of ages and nations. Which is the paramount issue.

The end time prophecies that are being referred to here are the end of the Old covenant age and ancient Israel. Then much later the end of the age of the four gentiles empires. That did not happen until what had been the capitol of the Roman Empire since 333ad, Constantinople was conquered in 1453 ad and the last Roman Emperor killed.

Here is why these indisputable facts are so important. The body of Bible prophecy about this age. The age that was to come after the age of the four gentile empires is not only greater in volume than the body of end time prophecy. But. It is to dictate the vision of the future to Christians by being the basis of their faith and labors.
But a great vail and darkness has descended over the eyes of believers in the last century due to their erroneous application of the end time prophecies of the last two ages in this age.

That is the reality. But God’s prescription and agenda for the world moves on and grows regardless of his children’s ignorance. Here is just a tiny sampling of the prophecies about this promised age we live in. If your interested.
The Bride of Christ

Matthew 24, Luke 21 and Mark 13 are broken up into three sections, the end of the temple, the Great Tribulation, and the end of the age - the second coming of Christ. When was the sun darkened, and the stars fell? The moon turned to blood would be a blood moon, but they happen often.

What do you do with Matthew 24:
27 For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 28 For wherever the carcass is, there the eagles will be gathered together.

29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
 
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Matthew 24, Luke 21 and Mark 13 are broken up into three sections,............
What do you do with Matthew 24:
27 For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 28 For wherever the carcass is, there the eagles will be gathered together.
Hello CL. Have you and/or others viewed my 70AD Jerusalem/Temple discourse harmonized thread?

I have it where you can click on a verse in Matt 24 and it will show both Mark and Luke verses.

Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized- Poll Thread

Lightning not used in Mark

Matthew 24:27
For even as the lightning coming forth out of east and is appearing till of the west,
thus shall be being the parousia of the Son of the Man.

Luke 17:24
For even as the lightning flashing out of under the heaven into the under heaven is shining,
thus also shall be being the Son of the Man
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4430.
a ruin, i.e. (specially), lifeless body (corpse, carrion):--dead body, carcase, corpse.
#4430 used in Revelation 11:8-9

Matthew 24:28
Wheresoever if ever may be the corpse<4430>
there shall be being gathered<4863> the eagles/vultures!<105>

4983. soma so'-mah from 4982;
the body (as a sound whole), used in a very wide application, literally or figuratively:--bodily, body, slave.

Luke 17:37
And answering, they are saying to Him "where Lord?
"He yet said to them "Where the body<4983> there, also the eagles/vultures<105> shall be being assembled<1996>
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Matthew 24:29
Yet immediately after the tribulation of those days,
the sun shall be being darkened<4654>,
and the moon not shall be giving the beam<5338> of her
and the stars shall be falling from the heaven,
and the powers<1411> of the heavens shall be being shaken<4531>

Mark 13:
24 But in those the days, after that tribulation,
that the sun shall be being darkened,
and the moon not shall be give her beam,
25 and the stars shall be falling out of the heaven,
and the powers in the heavens shall be be being shaken

Luke 21:
25 And shall be signs in sun, and moon, and stars,
And on the land together anguish/distress<4928> of nations, state of quandary<640>, roaring<2279> of sea and of shaking/tempest<4535>,
26 men fainting of heart from fear<5401> and apprehensiveness<4329> of the coming to the those dwelling upon the land <3625>.
For the powers of the heavens shall be being shaken.
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Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized- Poll Thread

I put a link to each verses of Matthew 24 below, in case some one to look up individual verses.
I include the verses of Mark 13 and Luke 21 if they are there.
Any input from other members is welcome.
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Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized
Matt 24:1 Temple, Buildings
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Matt 24:2 "stone upon stone

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Matt 24:3 When shall these be?and what the sign of Thy parousia<3952> and full-end of the Age?
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Matt 24:4-5 For many shall be coming upon My name, saying,‘I AM the Christ....
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Matt 24:6 Wars rumors of Wars
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Matt 24:7-8 , nation, kingdom against nation, kingdom; quaking, famines

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Matt 24:9 " they shall be delivering ye up in to tribulation and shall be killing ye, hated by all"
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Matt 24:10 Deliver up one another---brother to death
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Matt 24:11, 12 False prophets.....multiplied lawlessness...love grows cold
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Matt 24:13 One enduring to end shall be saved
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Matt 24:14 Gospel preached, testimony to all nations----then the end
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Matt 24:15 Abomination desolation....desolating of Jerusalem.
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Matt 24:16 those in Judea flee
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Matt 24:17, 18 Those on Housetop---in the field
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Matt 24:19 "woe to those pregnant and nursing in those days"
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Matt 24:20 pray flight not in winter or sabbath
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Matt 24:21 great tribulation, great distress, and wrath
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Matt 24:22 Days shortened for sake of elect
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Matt 23:23-25 False christs and prophets--deceive the elect if possible
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Matt 24:26 He is in the desert, in the storerooms.
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Matt 24:27 Lightening flashes from east, so shall parousia of the Son of Man
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Matt 24:28 Where the eagles/vultures, there the corpse/carcass/body be
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Matt 24:29 Signs in sun, moon, stars, powers of heavens shaken
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Matt 24:30 Son of Man coming upon cloud/s of heaven with power and much glory
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Matt 24:31 Gather elect in trumpet sound from 4 winds of heaven/s
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Matt 24:32 Fig tree ripe, summer is nigh
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Matt 24:33 Nigh is upon doors, Kingdom of God
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Matt 24:34 Not shall be passing this generation till all fulfilled
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Matt 24:35 Heaven and earth pass away, but not My words
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Matt 24:36 Concerning day and hour, no one knows except Father
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Hello CL. Have you and/or others viewed my 70AD Jerusalem/Temple discourse harmonized thread?

I have it where you can click on a verse in Matt 24 and it will show both Mark and Luke verses.

Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized- Poll Thread

Lightning not used in Mark

Matthew 24:27
For even as the lightning coming forth out of east and is appearing till of the west,
thus shall be being the parousia of the Son of the Man.

Luke 17:24
For even as the lightning flashing out of under the heaven into the under heaven is shining,
thus also shall be being the Son of the Man

4430.
a ruin, i.e. (specially), lifeless body (corpse, carrion):--dead body, carcase, corpse.
#4430 used in Revelation 11:8-9

Matthew 24:28
Wheresoever if ever may be the corpse<4430>
there shall be being gathered<4863> the eagles/vultures!<105>

Luke 17:37
And answering, they are saying to Him "where Lord?
"He yet said to them "Where the body<4983> there, also the eagles/vultures<105> shall be being assembled<1996>

Matthew 24:29
Yet immediately after the tribulation of those days,
the sun shall be being darkened<4654>,
and the moon not shall be giving the beam<5338> of her
and the stars shall be falling from the heaven,
and the powers<1411> of the heavens shall be being shaken<4531>

Mark 13:
24 But in those the days, after that tribulation,
that the sun shall be being darkened,
and the moon not shall be give her beam,
25 and the stars shall be falling out of the heaven,
and the powers in the heavens shall be be being shaken

Luke 21:
25 And shall be signs in sun, and moon, and stars,
And on the land together anguish/distress<4928> of nations, state of quandary<640>, roaring<2279> of sea and of shaking/tempest<4535>,
26 men fainting of heart from fear<5401> and apprehensiveness<4329> of the coming to the those dwelling upon the land <3625>.
For the powers of the heavens shall be being shaken.
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Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized- Poll Thread

I put a link to each verses of Matthew 24 below, in case some one to look up individual verses.
I include the verses of Mark 13 and Luke 21 if they are there.
Any input from other members is welcome.
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Matt 24:1 Temple, Buildings
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Matt 24:2 "stone upon stone

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Matt 24:3 When shall these be?and what the sign of Thy parousia<3952> and full-end of the Age?
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Matt 24:4-5 For many shall be coming upon My name, saying,‘I AM the Christ....
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Matt 24:6 Wars rumors of Wars
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Matt 24:7-8 , nation, kingdom against nation, kingdom; quaking, famines

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Matthew 24:9 " they shall be delivering ye up in to tribulation and shall be killing ye, hated by all"
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Matt 24:10 Deliver up one another---brother to death
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Matt 24:11, 12 False prophets.....multiplied lawlessness...love grows cold
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Matt 24:13 One enduring to end shall be saved
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Matt 24:14 Gospel preached, testimony to all nations----then the end
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Matt 24:15 Abomination desolation....desolating of Jerusalem.
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Matt 24:16 those in Judea flee
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Matt 24:17, 18 Those on Housetop---in the field
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Matt 24:19 "woe to those pregnant and nursing in those days"
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Matt 24:20 pray flight not in winter or sabbath
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Matt 24:21 great tribulation, great distress, and wrath
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Matt 24:22 Days shortened for sake of elect
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Matt 23:23-25 False christs and prophets--deceive the elect if possible
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Matt 24:26 He is in the desert, in the storerooms.
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Matt 24:27 Lightening flashes from east, so shall parousia of the Son of Man
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Matt 24:28 Where the eagles/vultures, there the corpse/carcass/body be
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Matt 24:29 Signs in sun, moon, stars, powers of heavens shaken
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Matt 24:30 Son of Man coming upon cloud/s of heaven with power and much glory
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Matt 24:31 Gather elect in trumpet sound from 4 winds of heaven/s
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Matt 24:32 Fig tree ripe, summer is nigh
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Matt 24:33 Nigh is upon doors, Kingdom of God
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Matt 24:34 Not shall be passing this generation till all fulfilled
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Matt 24:35 Heaven and earth pass away, but not My words
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Matt 24:36 Concerning day and hour, no one knows except Father
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Matt 24:37-39 As in Days of Noah, thus also shall be Son of man
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Matt 24:40-42 2 will be in the field, two will be grinding----1 taken, 1 left
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Matt 24:43-44 Homeowner be wathchful, not knowing which hour Son of Man coming
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Neither is verifiable. The stoning of Stephen is a Seventh-day Adventist interpretation. Still the dates are made up. Charts don't make it real. Daniel 9:27 has you believing it is Jesus who puts and end to sacrifice and offering, even though that was up in verse 25, and then you don't read the rest of verse 27. And it doesn't matter how long you've been wrong. It is time to read this in context. This happens to be in chronological order. Jesus cut off (Crucified), the prince to come is not back-tracking and referring to Jesus again. And neither is Jesus crucified again in the middle of verse 27.




Who is the manchild? Jesus.

Revelation 12:5 And she gave birth to a son, a male child, who will rule all the nations with an iron scepter.a And her child was caught up to God and to His throne

When was Jesus caught up to the throne of God? At his resurrection

Revelation 3:21 To the one who is victorious, I will grant the right to sit with Me on My throne, just as I overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne

Who is the woman who gave birth to the manchild? The woman appears to be associated with the 12 tribes of Israel, especially considering she gave birth to Jesus.

revelation 12:1 And a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed in the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head

Genesis 37:9 Then Joseph had another dream and told it to his brothers. “Look,” he said, “I had another dream, and this time the sun and moon and eleven stars were bowing down to me.”

When was Satan cast out? at the death, resurrection, and ascension of Christ

Revelation 12:10 And I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying: “Now have come the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God, and the authority of His Christ. For the accuser of our brothers has been thrown down—he who accuses them day and night before our God.

John 12:31-33 Now is the judgment of this world; now will the ruler of this world be cast out. And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself.” He said this to show by what kind of death he was going to die.

When does the 1,260 days/time, time, half a time occur for the woman in the wilderness? AFTER the child is caught up to the throne and satan is cast out, BUT PRIOR to satan going off to make war against her other offspring.

Revelation 12:5 And she gave birth to a son, a male child, who will rule all the nations with an iron scepter. And her child was caught up to God and to His throne. And the woman fled into the wilderness, where God had prepared a place for her to be nourished for 1,260 days.

Revelation 12:13-14 And when the dragon saw that he had been thrown down to the earth, he pursued the woman who had given birth to the male child. But the woman was given the two wings of the great eagle so that she might fly from the serpent into the wilderness, to the place where she is to be nourished for a time, and times, and half a time

Revelation 12:17 Then the dragon became furious with the woman and went off to make war on the rest of her offspring, on those who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus. And he stoodc on the sand of the sea.


So according to the vision in revelation 12, there does appear to be a 1,260 days/time, times, half a time/3.5 year time period after the cross where satan is cast out and attempts to persecute the woman (12 tribes of Israel association), but fails. Now, can we correlate this with anything specifically in Acts? Not explicitly as no 3.5 year time period is mentioned in Acts. however, is there anything in acts that indicates failed persecution of the Jewish believers followed by successful persecution of more than Jewish believers shortly after Christ's ascension? Yes: Acts 1-8

 
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Lady, Ive been studying Bible dates for a long time now, and I can assure you that the outpouring of the Spirit on the Gentiles happened close to 3 1/2 years after the crucifixion. This event was deemed to be highly significant by the early church. Here is a chart if you wish to check the chronology.
Daniel Martinovich said:
That’s what I always assumed. The 3.5 years ending with ancient Israel’s leaders officially rejecting Jesus’s ministry through the apostles. Killing Stephan and driving the believers out of Judea.
Hi Daniel.
You and I are close, but if you study the timeline I would suggest that the event at Cornelius house is more precise than the much quoted stoning of Stephen.
Neither is verifiable. The stoning of Stephen is a Seventh-day Adventist interpretation. Still the dates are made up. Charts don't make it real. Daniel 9:27 has you believing it is Jesus who puts and end to sacrifice and offering, even though that was up in verse 25, and then you don't read the rest of verse 27. And it doesn't matter how long you've been wrong. It is time to read this in context. This happens to be in chronological order. Jesus cut off (Crucified), the prince to come is not back-tracking and referring to Jesus again. And neither is Jesus crucified again in the middle of verse 27.
Hello CL.

The stoning of Stephen and the introduction of Saul Paul are perhaps a few of the most important events in Acts, besides the ascension of Jesus and Pentecost imho.

Stoning of Stephen against the Law

St Stephen actually sees the heavens opened up and Jesus standing at the right hand of God, almost as if in judgement on the High Priest and those stoning Stephen..........

Acts 6:10 And not they were strong/iscuon <2480> (5707) to withstand to the Wisdom and to the Spirit to which he talked.
Acts 7:1 And the High-priest said, "are these things so?"
54 Now when they heard these things, they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed upon him with their teeth.
56 and said, "Look! I see the heavens having been opened/ διηνοιγμένους<455>and the Son of the Man standing out of rights of the God!"

58and dragged him out of the city and began to stone him.
His accusers took off their coats and laid them at the feet of a young man named Saul
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And judgment did indeed come upon them in 70AD

Revelation 16:21 "..great HAIL fell on men as a talent weight.." Josephus

Revelation 16:21
And great Hail<5464> as talent-weight is descending out of the Heaven upon the Men, and the men blaspheme the God out of the blow of the Hail, that great is the blow of it/her, tremendous. [LXX # 5464 used in Ezekiel 38:22]

The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD
Proof that Matthew 24 was fully fulfilled in 70 AD!
Also see:
Rapture refuted

Josephus Parallels? Revelation 16:21 and Wars of the Jews 5:6:3

John's Revelation - “And great hail from heaven fell upon men, each hailstone about the weight of a talent.” (16:21)

Josephus - “Now the stones that were cast were of the weight of a talent, and were carried two furlongs and further. The blow they gave was no way to be sustained, not only by those that stood first in the way, but by those that were beyond them for a great space. As for the Jews, they at first watched the coming of the
stone, for it was of a white color, and could therefore not only be perceived by the great noise it made, but could be seen also before it came by its brightness;” (5:6:3)....................

IBSS - The Bible - Revelation
100 lb. Hailstones
Revelation 16:21 tells how huge hailstones fell from heaven weighing a talent which is about 100 pounds. Josephus describes 100 lb. white stones coming from Roman catapults down on the Jews in Jerusalem (Jewish Wars, Book 5.6.3).

https://www.kennethgentry.com/catalog/apocalypse.htm
The prophecy of the talent weight hailstones has found a similar fulfillment in the siege of Jerusalem, according to the preterist. Josephus states of the catapults of the Roman tenth legion: "the stones that were cast, were of the weight of a talent, and were carried two furlongs and further.... As for the Jews, they at first watched the coming of the stone, for it was a white color" (Wars 5:6:3). These stones not only had the weight required by John, but were the same color as hail.

The Babylon of Revelation is Referring to Jerusalem

Great hail weighing one talent is said to fall upon men there (Revelation 16:21).
Josephus tells of the Roman catapults being used to cast whitewashed boulders over the walls of Jerusalem and they each weighed one talent.

http://www.livius.org/ja-jn/jewish_wars/jwar04.html
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After this success, John wanted to launch a preemptive strike at the Romans, who were building new camps to the west of the city: one for the legions XII Fulminata and XV Apollinaris and one for legion V Macedonica. But John was afraid that Simon would close the city gates behind his back, and did not assail the new camps. As a consequence, the legions were able to build their redoubts almost without any trouble; soon, their catapults started to throw heavy stones into the city. Under cover of this artillery fire, the Roman soldiers could start to bash the northern wall with their battering-rams.
The Roman attack served to unite the Jews, who started to make sorties, but failed to destroy the new weapon that the Romans had prepared: siege towers.
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"..probably the greatest single slaughter in ancient history."
ROMAN SIEGE AND SACK OF JERUSALEM



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St Stephen actually sees the heavens opened up and Jesus standing at the right hand of God, almost as if in judgement on the High Priest and those stoning Stephen..........

Acts 6:10 And not they were strong/iscuon <2480> (5707) to withstand to the Wisdom and to the Spirit to which he talked.
Acts 7:1 And the High-priest said, "are these things so?"
54 Now when they heard these things, they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed upon him with their teeth.
56 and said, "Look! I see the heavens having been opened/ διηνοιγμένους<455>and the Son of the Man standing out of rights of the God!"

58and dragged him out of the city and began to stone him.
His accusers took off their coats and laid them at the feet of a young man named Saul

Here are my thoughts on what’s happening when Stephen sees Jesus standing. In Acts 7:55 Stephen sees Jesus standing on the right hand of God. In Colossians 3:1 Christ sitteth on the right hand of God. In Hebrews 10:12-13 after he had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down on the right hand of God. 13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.

There seems to be a conflict here, but I think the answer is in Daniel 9:24. There are 70 weeks determined upon thy people to finish the 6 things in that verse. The reason that Jesus is standing is because the full 490 years are not yet completed when Stephen is stoned. When Colossians and Hebrews were written the 490 years were completed along with the things listed in Daniel 9:24 and he was then seen as sitting on the right hand of God.
 
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Erik Nelson said:
Rev 10 speaks of a "delay" which finally is "no more delay" at "Armageddon" vs. "Babylon" symbolizing the Roman destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD

  • Pentecost (30 AD) alludes back to Moses receiving the Law at Sinai...
  • after which the Israelites wandered 40 years foreshadowing early Church hardships under Jerusalem-rooted persecutions until 70 AD
  • when the Holy Land was entered & conquered alluding back to Joshua


Thanks for giving your reason for a gap between Christ and AD 70. I can’t agree, but your friendly response is appreciated.
 
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I may be posting prematurely, because I've only read your OP, Christian Gedge. I'm a preterist, but I also agree that the timeline of Daniel ends 3 1/2 years after the crucifixion. I understand these to be the years (in the illustration below).

I've read that the forty years AFTER the "seventy weeks of Daniel" were a transition time between two distinct epochs (as the number 40 often represents in the Bible):

8897-70-Week-Prophecy.jpg


Thanks for assuring us that, at least some, part-preterists follow the logical sequence of 70 contiguous weeks to their conclusion 3½ years after Christ’s sacrifice.

Good point about the forty years AFTER the "seventy weeks of Daniel" being a transition time. The destruction of the temple is certainly mentioned in the prophecy and, yes, it is describing the *aftermath* of the weeks – not the actual weeks themselves.
 
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Did you read the two paradigms before the final 7 year period? Did you know that 70 AD was in the middle of a 7 year Jewish revolt, and was the second such revolt with the temple being desecrated in the middle both times. If you didn't read my whole post, please do so.
The revolting Jews, pun intended, were only finally defeated and virtually cleared out of the holy Land by Emperor Hadrian in 135AD. This means their war against the Romans lasted for 65 + years.
There is no definable 7 year period to match Daniels 70th 'week', in the first century.
 
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The revolting Jews, pun intended, were only finally defeated and virtually cleared out of the holy Land by Emperor Hadrian in 135AD. This means their war against the Romans lasted for 65 + years.
There is no definable 7 year period to match Daniels 70th 'week', in the first century.
Pun intended? That sounds anti-Semitic. Did you mean it that way?
 
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Pun intended? That sounds anti-Semitic. Did you mean it that way?
It isn't me that dislikes and rejects the Jews, it is the Lord. Matthew 8:12, Revelation 3:9

The Jewish people are about 50% atheists, the rest a variety of false religions and only .05% are Christian. They are no longer God's chosen people. Matthew 21:43
This makes them, in God's sight, His enemies and many prophesies say that He will virtually destroy them on His Day of fiery wrath. Amos 2:4-5, Jeremiah 21:11-14, Ezekiel 21:1-7, +
 
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It isn't me that dislikes and rejects the Jews, it is the Lord. Matthew 8:12, Revelation 3:9
Which is why He devoted thousands of years exclusively to them (and those that joined them ) and chose His disciples (and the New Testament church) from them. (sarcasm).

A little clarification goes a long way in that regard.
 
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