Zechariah 14:4 "HIS FEET WILL STAND ON THE MOUNT OF OLIVES"

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Hi BABerean,

When? When God send Jesus with those asleep in Him and connect them to the rest of the Body of Christ on earth.

`God...(will) send Jesus Christ....whom heaven must receive until the times of restoration of all things, of which God has spoken by the mouth of all His prophets since the world began.` (Acts. 3: 20 & 21)

Marilyn.

Act 1:9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.
Act 1:10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;
Act 1:11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

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Act 1:9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.
Act 1:10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;
Act 1:11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

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Hi BABerean,

Yes that tells us how the Lord is returning but not WHEN. 1 Thess. 4 also gives us more details as to how the Lord returns. Many more details in God`s word, but the Acts 3 reference tells us WHEN.

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Hi BABerean,

Yes that tells us how the Lord is returning but not WHEN. 1 Thess. 4 also gives us more details as to how the Lord returns. Many more details in God`s word, but the Acts 3 reference tells us WHEN.

Marilyn.
So does Revelation.........
 
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So does Revelation.........

Hi LittlelambofJesus,

Yes that is one of the Lord`s returning. We see in Revelation that the Lord returns with His angelic army, to bring vengeance upon the rebellious and deliverance for Israel.

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and deliverance for Israel.

Rev 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.








1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

1Jn 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.


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Rev 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.


Hi BABeerean,

`"And it shall come to pass in all the land," says the Lord, "that two-thirds in it shall be cut off and die, BUT one-third shall be left in it: I will bring the one-third through the fire, will refine them as silver is refined and test them as gold is tested.

Then they will call on my name and I will answer them. I will say, "This is my people." and each one will say, "This is my God."`(Zech. 13: 8 & 9)


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Hi LittlelambofJesus,

Yes that is one of the Lord`s returning. We see in Revelation that the Lord returns with His angelic army, to bring vengeance upon the rebellious and deliverance for Israel.
Marilyn.
These were the one who rebelled against the Romans and I don't believe God sanctioned that.

Eze 20:38 - “I will purge the rebels from among you, and those who transgress against Me; I will bring them out of the country where they dwell, but they shall not enter the land of Israel. Then you will know that I am the LORD.
Hos 5:2 - The rebels are knee-deep in slaughter. I will discipline all of them.
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I view this as the 7 yr Jewish Zealot Rebellion in the 1st century ending in the destruction of Jerusalem in 70AD [also that great City in Revelation]. As

Matthew 24:
6 “And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled;
for all these things must come to pass, but the end<5056> is not yet.
Mark 13:
7 “But when you hear of wars and rumors of wars, do not be troubled;
for such things must happen, but the end<5056> is not yet.
Luke 21:
9 “But when you hear of wars and commotions, do not be terrified;
for these things must come to pass first, but the end<5056> is not immediate.”

Visual Timeline of the Roman-Jewish War ARTchive @ PreteristArchive.com, The Internet's Only Balanced Look at Preterist Eschatology and Preterism
"..probably the greatest single slaughter in ancient history."


CAST OF CHARACTERS: Roman: Emperor Nero | General Vespasian | General Titus | The Roman Army || Jewish: General / Historian Josephus | Factional Leaders in Jerusalem || Administrators of Roman Judea Targets: Jerusalem | Herod's Temple // Maps of the Roman Invasion // Theological Timeline

CHRONOLOGY IMMEDIATELY SURROUNDING THE WAR

Stage 1: Murder of James the Just, "Opposition High Priest" ; Irrevocable Split: 62
Stage 2: General Revolt in Jerusalem ; Zealot Occupation of Masada: August-September 66
Stage 3: The Campaign of Cestius Gallus and the Defeat of the Twelfth Legion: October-November 66
Stage 4: End of Collaborative Government, Priesthood ; General Flight: November 66 - March 67
Part 6: Vespasian Subdues Northern and Western Palestine: December 66 - December 68
Part 7: Three-way Power Struggle within Jerusalem After Roman Retreat: January 68 - May 70
Part 8: Romans Breach City Walls and Leave Jerusalem Desolate: May 10 - September 10, 70
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These were the one who rebelled against the Romans and I don't believe God sanctioned that.

Eze 20:38 - “I will purge the rebels from among you, and those who transgress against Me; I will bring them out of the country where they dwell, but they shall not enter the land of Israel. Then you will know that I am the LORD.
Hos 5:2 - The rebels are knee-deep in slaughter. I will discipline all of them.
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I view this as the 7 yr Jewish Zealot Rebellion in the 1st century ending in the destruction of Jerusalem in 70AD [also that great City in Revelation]. As

Matthew 24:
6 “And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled;
for all these things must come to pass, but the end<5056> is not yet.
Mark 13:
7 “But when you hear of wars and rumors of wars, do not be troubled;
for such things must happen, but the end<5056> is not yet.
Luke 21:
9 “But when you hear of wars and commotions, do not be terrified;
for these things must come to pass first, but the end<5056> is not immediate.”

Hi LittleLambofGod,

I believe we need to read the full context -

`For then there will be great tribulation, such as has NOT been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, NOR EVER SHALL BE.` (Matt. 24: 22)

Marilyn.
 
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Hi LittlelambofJesus,
Yes that is one of the Lord`s returning. We see in Revelation that the Lord returns with His angelic army, to bring vengeance upon the rebellious and deliverance for Israel.
Marilyn.
Hello Marilyn.
The way these passages appear, God is bringing a wicked heathen army to destry 70AD Jerusalem, not to deliver it...........

Revelation 17:
15 And He is saying to me "These the Waters which thou saw, where the harlot is sitting, are peoples and multitudes<3793> are being, and nations and tongues.
16 And the ten Horns which thou saw and the Beast, These shall be hating the harlot,
and They shall be making Her desolate<2049> and naked,
and the fleshes of Her they shall be eating<5315>
and shall be burning<2618> Her in fire.

Revelation 18:8 Thru this in one day shall be arriving<2240> Her blows,
death and sorrow and famine.
And in fire She shall be utterly burned<2618>,
that strong Lord the GOD, the One judging Her.
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The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD
Proof that Matthew 24 was fully fulfilled in 70 AD!
Also see:
Rapture refuted

At this critical and alarming c onjuncture, intelligence arrived that the Roman an army was approaching the city. The Jews were petrified with astonishment and fear ; there was no time for counsel, no hope of pacification, no means of flight:-- all was wild disorder and perplexity :- nothing was to be heard but "the confused noise of the warrior, " -- nothing to be seen but garments rolled in blood," -- nothing to be expected from the Romans but signal and exemplary vengeance. A ceaseless cry of combatants was heard day and night, and yet the lamentations of mourners were still more dreadful.

The consternation and terror which now prevailed induced many inhabitants to desire that a foreign foe might come, and effect their deliverance. Such was the horrible condition of the place when Titus and his army presented themselves, and encamped before Jerusalem ;
but, alas ! not to deliver it from its miseries but to fulfill the prediction, and vindicate the benevolent warning of our Lord :

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Zech 14:4 is the only verse in the OT that mentions the Mount of Olives.

Vs 4 states in that day His feet will stand on the Mt of Olives.
Vs 1 states a day of the Lord is about to come

I suppose my question is, is Jesus suppose to literally return and set foot on the Mount of Olives in the future or did some of it occur in the 1st century and some in the future.

Zechariah 14:4
1 A day of the Lord is about to come when your possessions will be divided as plunder in your midst.
2 For I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem to wage war; the city will be taken, its houses plundered, and the women raped.
Then half of the city will go into exile, but the remainder of the people will not be taken away.

3 Then the Lord will go to battle and fight against those nations, just as he fought battles in ancient days

4 And in that day His feet stand on the Mount of Olives,

Which faces Jerusalem on the east.
And the Mount of Olives shall be split in two, From east to west, Making a very large valley;
Half of the mountain shall move toward the north
And half of it toward the south.
5 And ye flee through my mountain valley, for the mountains will extend to Azal.

Indeed, ye flee as you fled from the earthquake in the days of King Uzziah of Judah.
Then Yahweh my Elohim comes all of holy ones with you..
6 On that day there will be no light –

the sources of light in the heavens will congeal.
7 It will happen in one day (a day known to the Lord);
not in the day or the night, but in the evening there will be light.
8 Moreover, on that day living waters will flow out from Jerusalem,

half of them to the eastern sea
and half of them to the western sea;
it will happen both in summer and in winter.
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There are 2 events that are historically significant concerning the Mount of Olives

The one in the NT showing Jesus on the Mount of Olives.


Matthew 24:3
Yet of Him sitting upon the Mount of the Olives, the Disciples came toward to Him according to own saying "be telling! to us.....
Mark 13:3
and of sitting of Him into the Mount of the Olives facing the Temple,
Peter and James and John and Andrew inquired of Him privately...

This map shows the location of the 1st century Mount of Olives in relation to the Temple/Jerusalem to the east.


View attachment 249632

And just for info, this map shows the position of the Roman Legions under about 40 yrs later.
Titus and his 10th Legion is camped on the Mount of Olives.

View attachment 249631
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[bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] how can you read zech 14 and ever attempt to tie it to 70AD? The city is being over run the woman ravished and half city goes into captivity and then then the LORD comes with his saints and fights on that day and saves Jerusalem by melting His enemies graphically. The LORD is then king over all the earth. In 70 AD Jerusalem was being overrun but the LORD did not come and save them by destroying the invaders. The context is clear that this is when the kingdom comes to earth at the 2nd coming. Zech said that Jesus would come on the foal of a donkey and it was a literal donkey. He said Jesus would be betrayed for 30 pieces of silver with the money being given to the potter and again it was literal. This passage in 12-14 are also to be taken literally. Jesus is not king yet or the world would not be so screwed up? The reign of Messiah brings peace to all nation and healing to the earth while Satan is bound for that 1000 years. This is future be ready we are seeing the rise of antichrist now
 
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Zech 14:4 is the only verse in the OT that mentions the Mount of Olives.

Vs 4 states in that day His feet will stand on the Mt of Olives.
Vs 1 states a day of the Lord is about to come

I suppose my question is, is Jesus suppose to literally return and set foot on the Mount of Olives in the future or did some of it occur in the 1st century and some in the future.

Zechariah 14:4
1 A day of the Lord is about to come when your possessions will be divided as plunder in your midst.
2 For I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem to wage war; the city will be taken, its houses plundered, and the women raped.
Then half of the city will go into exile, but the remainder of the people will not be taken away.

3 Then the Lord will go to battle and fight against those nations, just as he fought battles in ancient days

4 And in that day His feet stand on the Mount of Olives,

Which faces Jerusalem on the east.
And the Mount of Olives shall be split in two, From east to west, Making a very large valley;
Half of the mountain shall move toward the north
And half of it toward the south.
5 And ye flee through my mountain valley, for the mountains will extend to Azal.

Indeed, ye flee as you fled from the earthquake in the days of King Uzziah of Judah.
Then Yahweh my Elohim comes all of holy ones with you..
6 On that day there will be no light –

the sources of light in the heavens will congeal.
7 It will happen in one day (a day known to the Lord);
not in the day or the night, but in the evening there will be light.
8 Moreover, on that day living waters will flow out from Jerusalem,

half of them to the eastern sea
and half of them to the western sea;
it will happen both in summer and in winter.
=======================================

There are 2 events that are historically significant concerning the Mount of Olives

The one in the NT showing Jesus on the Mount of Olives.


Matthew 24:3
Yet of Him sitting upon the Mount of the Olives, the Disciples came toward to Him according to own saying "be telling! to us.....
Mark 13:3
and of sitting of Him into the Mount of the Olives facing the Temple,
Peter and James and John and Andrew inquired of Him privately...



We have to consider chronology first, or at least you would think so.

Zechariah 14:1 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

Obviously this 'Then' that begins verse 3 tells us that first the LORD will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle, followed by what the rest of that verse says. Then, chronologically after that shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle. And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east

Let's stop here for now. And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east. In what day? Would it not be once He goes forth, and fights against those nations?

Whatever time period one thinks verse 2 belongs to, verse 4 has to being meaning chronologically after that.

Let's say for instance that one concludes verse 2 involves the events of 70 AD. I don't agree it involves that, but for the sake of argument let's assume it does. That would place the fulfilling of verse 4, either during the events of 70 AD, or post the events of 70 AD, and most certainly not prior to them. That means we can't apply verse 4 to a time when Christ was physically alive on the earth before His death and resurrection since that would be illogical if verse 2 is meaning a time post His death and resurrection. Yet nothing during or soon after 70 AD even remotely explains verse 4. Therefore verse 4 must be future still.
 
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Let's stop here for now. And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east. In what day? Would it not be once He goes forth, and fights against those nations?

4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.


Below we find Christ coming "as a thief", and a reference to "Armageddon".

We also find the greatest earthquake in history, which moves all of the islands, and destroys all of the mountains.
We also have the cities being destroyed.

Is this what happens when his feet touch the Mount of Olives?
Is the text from Zechariah 14:4, and the passage below describing the same event?
An earthquake can be produced when a piece of land splits in half along a fault line.



Rev 16:15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
Rev 16:16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
Rev 16:17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.
Rev 16:18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.
Rev 16:19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.
Rev 16:20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.
Rev 16:21 And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.



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Hello Marilyn.
The way these passages appear, God is bringing a wicked heathen army to destry 70AD Jerusalem, not to deliver it...........

Revelation 17:
15 And He is saying to me "These the Waters which thou saw, where the harlot is sitting, are peoples and multitudes<3793> are being, and nations and tongues.

Hi LittlelambofJesus,

So what of Israel made the people `drunk?`

`And the inhabitants of the earth were made drunk with the wine of her fornication. (Rev. 17: 2)

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4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.


Below we find Christ coming "as a thief", and a reference to "Armageddon".

We also find the greatest earthquake in history, which moves all of the islands, and destroys all of the mountains.
We also have the cities being destroyed.

Is this what happens when his feet touch the Mount of Olives?
Is the text from Zechariah 14:4, and the passage below describing the same event?
An earthquake can be produced when a piece of land splits in half along a fault line.



Rev 16:15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
Rev 16:16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
Rev 16:17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.
Rev 16:18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.
Rev 16:19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.
Rev 16:20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.
Rev 16:21 And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.



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Hello, is there any eye witness of Christ stand in the Mount of Olives as in Zachariah 14:4.... as you claim it's already happened?

Remember Zechariah 14...is referring to the day of the Lord...

Paul in 2Thessalonians warn the believers of some teaching regarding the day of the Lord has already come...2Thessalonians 2:1-4...we ask you brothers and sisters, not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by the teaching allegedly from us, whether by a prophecy or by word of mouth or by letter- asserting that the day of the Lord has already come.

Don't let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will Not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doom to destruction...(this is the Antichrist)...

So that teaching was taught by people before Now it seems to make a comeback...
 
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Hello, is there any eye witness of Christ stand in the Mount of Olives as in Zachariah 14:4.... as you claim it's already happened?

Remember Zechariah 14...is referring to the day of the Lord...

I never said it has already happened. Sorry, I did not make that clear.

I agree that the Second Coming is a future event.


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I never said it has already happened. Sorry, I did not make that clear.

I agree that the Second Coming is a future event.


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Hello, what I understood from your post#92 is that you're trying to put the event associate with the Lord standing on the mount of Olives in Zechariah 14:4 to an event already happened...ie earthquake in 1964.

According to Zachariah 14:4, the Lord will stand on the mount of Olives and the mount of Olives will split in two forming a valley so His people will flee through that Valley...
 
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Hello, what I understood from your post#92 is that you're trying to put the event associate with the Lord standing on the mount of Olives in Zechariah 14:4 to an event already happened...ie earthquake in 1964.

No. I was trying to show what an earthquake is like.

The greatest earthquake in history is described in Revelation 16.
It lies in the future.

Sorry, I was not clear.


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