PURPOSE OF HEALING MINISTRIES

Si_monfaith · Oct 4, 2019

SpiritSong said:
James 5:14-15 is a good verse that can answer your concerns.

Is "my faith" sufficient for me to be healed OR other's prayer of faith is necessary for me to be healed?

Anguspure · Oct 5, 2019

Si_monfaith said:
Do you say faith is simply a formula or method and not important enough by which God is pleased as per Hebrews 11:6?

No I did not. When you have faith, who do you have faith in? Faith is trust, is a foundation of relationship.
It is not a formula. It is a decision to trust in a person.
But when we talk about certains ways in which faith may be expressed as if this way is more effective than that way, we stray into the field of impersonal formulas.
The truth is that the faith that He accepts in a given situation is unique to the person and the circumstance.
It is Him, our Yeshua that we trust to heal us after all.

hhodgson · Oct 5, 2019

Si_monfaith said:
Is "my faith" sufficient for me to be healed OR other's prayer of faith is necessary for me to be healed?

Another repetitive question... Why?

now faith · Oct 5, 2019

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now faith · Oct 5, 2019

HatedByAll said:
When we are faced with a problem that needs a serious miracle, we of course want a complete miracle. I am facing this right now with my Mother. She is experiencing pretty serious dementia and the doctors can only recommend we watch her diet. Problem is, her diet for decades has been the recommended diet. Fish, plenty of fruits and vegetables, etc. Of course, I have sought after a miracle for her.

But the Holy Spirit impressed on me, she is being cared for by our Lord. I was led to consider the Lord's Prayer. We are not told to pray for complete miracles, that is what we pray for because it is what we want. Jesus told us to pray "give us this day our daily bread." In this simple sentence, he tells us how to pray for our sick loved ones. Ask for our needs for today to be met, and pray tomorrow for tomorrow's needs to be met tomorrow.

Mom is healed. Healed enough for her to get through today. And I know she will be healed enough to get through tomorrow. Of course I would love for her to be restored to what she was 10 years ago, but today's healing is enough for today, as will be tomorrow's.

Bless God. For the progress now and more healing on the way.
We will pray for your Mother.
It is God's will She be made whole.
Find a Bible verse to proclaim her healing, and make your stand in the Faith of God

John 5: 5. And a certain man was there, which had an infirmity thirty and eight years. 6. When Jesus saw him lie, and knew that he had been now a long time in that case, he saith unto him, Wilt thou be made whole? 7. The impotent man answered him, Sir, I have no man, when the water is troubled, to put me into the pool: but while I am coming, another steppeth down before me. 8. Jesus saith unto him, Rise, take up thy bed, and walk. 9. And immediately the man was made whole, and took up his bed, and walked: and on the same day was the sabbath.

We know the will of God through God's Word, and God is no respecter of persons.

hhodgson · Oct 6, 2019

Si_monfaith said:
I had the following questions on this topic:

Is the purpose of a healing miracle to confirm the gospel according to Mark 16:20 OR give complete / full healing?

It could be both. It's according to their faith. "Then He touched their eyes saying, "Let it be done for you according to your faith."

Is the prayer of another person or a healing minister necessary in order to be healed? If yes, how was the woman in Mathew 9:22 healed without other's prayer?

Again, it's according to your faith. A healing line doesn't have to be necessary but it's a good faith builder. This example may have happened in one of R. W. Schambach's service. My wife answered the call to come up and receive prayer. She got up out of her seat and took a step or two and (right there) her healing was manifested. God saw her faith. She didn't have to go up to the healing line, praise God.

A Christian said that the healings he got in healing meetings were partial healings (or miracles) not complete healings (abundance). The question is, do prayers of others lead only to partial healings in order to confirm the gospel & not to be healed completely or fully?

Hmm! Is that Christian someone we know that posts here? Anyway, this question has already been answered.

Does "your faith" that is, personal faith in Christ's death & resurrection in contrast to other's prayer of faith give complete / full healing according to Mathew 9:22? So far as an individual is concerned, is God pleased with the former?

God is pleased with anything that involves applying your faith whether it's for healing, deliverance, and prosperity.

Si_monfaith · Oct 6, 2019

Anguspure said:
No I did not. When you have faith, who do you have faith in? Faith is trust, is a foundation of relationship.
It is not a formula. It is a decision to trust in a person.
But when we talk about certains ways in which faith may be expressed as if this way is more effective than that way, we stray into the field of impersonal formulas.
The truth is that the faith that He accepts in a given situation is unique to the person and the circumstance.
It is Him, our Yeshua that we trust to heal us after all.

Anguspure said:
impersonal formulas

“But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe ... that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.”

Is believing for blessings impersonal formulae? Isn't it faith without which God isn't pleased?

Si_monfaith · Oct 6, 2019

hhodgson said:
Another repetitive question... Why?

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Is it answered? In which post#?

Si_monfaith · Oct 6, 2019

hhodgson said:
It could be both. It's according to their faith. "Then He touched their eyes saying, "Let it be done for you according to your faith."

Again, it's according to your faith. A healing line doesn't have to be necessary but it's a good faith builder. This example may have happened in one of R. W. Schambach's service. My wife answered the call to come up and receive prayer. She got up out of her seat and took a step or two and (right there) her healing was manifested. God saw her faith. She didn't have to go up to the healing line, praise God.

Hmm! Is that Christian someone we know that posts here? Anyway, this question has already been answered.

God is pleased with anything that involves applying your faith whether it's for healing, deliverance, and prosperity.

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hhodgson said:
It could be both. It's according to their faith. "Then He touched their eyes saying, "Let it be done for you

1)Did Jesus, In this case, pray for a miracle OR only stated the reason he was healed which was his "own faith"?
2)If healing miracles done through "other's (like church elders & miracle workers) faith" could heal completely, why is "your faith" which refers to the personal faith of the believers, needed at all, to be healed completely, in the first place?

hhodgson said:
A healing line doesn't have to be necessary but it's a good faith builder. This example may have happened in one of R. W. Schambach's service. My wife answered the call to come up and receive prayer. She got up out of her seat and took a step or two and (right there) her healing was manifested. God saw her faith

If God saw "her faith", which means she had the faith to be completely healed already, what was the need for a "faith builder"? When one has faith to be completely healed, what is there to build any further upon that faith?

hhodgson said:
God is pleased with anything that involves applying your faith whether it's for healing, deliverance, and prosperity.

Is God pleased with people who keep on seeking healing miracles, even after He has begun faith through His Son, in those people, & which is sufficient to overcome the world (1John5:4,5)?

Si_monfaith · Oct 6, 2019

now faith said:
Bless God. For the progress now and more healing on the way.
We will pray for your Mother.
It is God's will She be made whole.
Find a Bible verse to proclaim her healing, and make your stand in the Faith of God

John 5: 5. And a certain man was there, which had an infirmity thirty and eight years. 6. When Jesus saw him lie, and knew that he had been now a long time in that case, he saith unto him, Wilt thou be made whole? 7. The impotent man answered him, Sir, I have no man, when the water is troubled, to put me into the pool: but while I am coming, another steppeth down before me. 8. Jesus saith unto him, Rise, take up thy bed, and walk. 9. And immediately the man was made whole, and took up his bed, and walked: and on the same day was the sabbath.

We know the will of God through God's Word, and God is no respecter of persons.

Are all completely healed in the WOF movement to which I belong? If not, what's the reason?

now faith · Oct 7, 2019

Si_monfaith said:
Are all completely healed in the WOF movement to which I belong? If not, what's the reason?

If you were part of the Word of Faith Movement you certianly would know the answer.
Therefore you must go back and take the test over.
It's the 3 year course offered at Rhema Bible institute.

Anguspure · Oct 7, 2019

Si_monfaith said:
“But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe ... that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.”

Is believing for blessings impersonal formulae? Isn't it faith without which God isn't pleased?

Faith in what? Faith is not abstract. Faith is what we have in something. In relationship it is what we have in person. I YHWH it is what we have in Him. What pleases Him is that we have faith in Him, just as it pleases every person that we have a relationship with.

Si_monfaith · Oct 7, 2019

now faith said:
If you were part of the Word of Faith Movement you certianly would know the answer.
Therefore you must go back and take the test over.
It's the 3 year course offered at Rhema Bible institute.

Does God give answers through faith in Him right in CF?

Si_monfaith · Oct 7, 2019

Anguspure said:
Faith in what? Faith is not abstract. Faith is what we have in something. In relationship it is what we have in person. I YHWH it is what we have in Him. What pleases Him is that we have faith in Him, just as it pleases every person that we have a relationship with.

Anguspure said:
faith in Him

Faith in whom? Faith in God as the One who rewards us for the sake of Christ's death & resurrection. So you don't believe He is a rewarder? Is your relationship lacking faith in Him as the rewarder?

Anguspure · Oct 7, 2019

Si_monfaith said:
Faith in whom? Faith in God as the One who rewards us for the sake of Christ's death & resurrection. So you don't believe He is a rewarder? Is your relationship lacking faith in Him as the rewarder?

TBH I am having difficulties with that and it is clear that He does what He wants to do according to His own will.
Certainly He promises certain rewards but these may not necessarily be in our best interests at the time we want them.
I am a rewarder of my children, and I give them good things. But it is not necessarily the best thing to do to give them good things all the time or when they need to learn a lesson. Better to delay the reward for a more beneficial time. To be sure the fluttering of my little girls eyelashes as she tries to influence me is difficult to resist. But as a good parent it is my job to raise her in the way she should go, and not to bend to every supplication and manipulation.
I think that our Lord is much the same, certainly my experience would seem to indicate it.

Richard T · Oct 8, 2019

Your questions on healing are excellent but please permit me to first try to give some understanding between a healing and a miracle. A healing fixes something that is not well. A miracle recreates what may be missing. Sometimes one may not be sure. Additionally, are their people who receive partial healings? Absolutely, either the full healing does not manifest all at one time but is progressive or there is some relief in healing but not a full restoration. As far as God is concerned the issue is settled but the part of the one giving or receiving prayer there might be something lacking. Thus, not only will there be people who receive nothing, there are some who only receive partial healing. If you recall that I Cor lists one of the gifts as "gifts of healings" which is plural, you may often have a person who may administer healing that is primarily successful with certain ailments and unsuccessful with other ailments. Of course healing often occurs outside of the gifts, but it explains why some might receive a partial healing. Another potential problem occurs when someone fails to keep their healing. Given that there are diversities of gifts and diversities of operation of the gifts of the Spirit, there are potentially thousands or more iterations of how things, including healing, work when one seeks others to pray for them.

now faith · Oct 8, 2019

Si_monfaith said:
Does God give answers through faith in Him right in CF?

I will answer with a admitted loaded question.
As a Christian is there a call for truth in intent?
As a Christian is it considered sinful to cause discord?
As a Christian is it a lie to pretend to be a member of a Church , yet have distain for the congregation?
All of the forums here state you may not teach unless you are a member.
You are allowed to ask questions.
Each one of us has a responsibility to God , He knows our motives and our intent.
Would anyone think it is not becoming Christian behavior , to pretend they are part of a group they seek to cause discourse in?
Just asking....

SavedByGrace3 · Oct 8, 2019

My faith says that everything is included in the atonement. Every blessing, restoration, healing, provision, deliverance, and any sort of salvation from anything.. is all included in the atonement.
Anything you can ask for, you do it in the name of Jesus, and that falls under the atonement. You can only ask for things in His name if they are included in the atonement.
I often ask people who refuse to believe this truth upon what do they base their faith? There is no other name under heaven that you can call upon to receive anything. If you are not praying in the name of Jesus, then you are not getting answers. Everything is covered by the name of Jesus because everything that can be received is included in the atonement.

Si_monfaith · Oct 8, 2019

Anguspure said:
TBH I am having difficulties with that and it is clear that He does what He wants to do according to His own will.
Certainly He promises certain rewards but these may not necessarily be in our best interests at the time we want them.
I am a rewarder of my children, and I give them good things. But it is not necessarily the best thing to do to give them good things all the time or when they need to learn a lesson. Better to delay the reward for a more beneficial time. To be sure the fluttering of my little girls eyelashes as she tries to influence me is difficult to resist. But as a good parent it is my job to raise her in the way she should go, and not to bend to every supplication and manipulation.
I think that our Lord is much the same, certainly my experience would seem to indicate it.

Anguspure said:
He promises certain rewards

Do His promises given as per 2 Corinthians1:20 on the basis of the death & resurrection of Christ contain only certain rewards?

Anguspure said:
Better to delay the reward

In view of "For the vision is yet for an appointed time, but at the end it shall speak, and not lie: though it tarry, wait for it; because it will surely come, it will not tarry (Habakkuk 2:3), does God delay?

Si_monfaith · Oct 8, 2019

now faith said:
I will answer with a admitted loaded question.
As a Christian is there a call for truth in intent?
As a Christian is it considered sinful to cause discord?
As a Christian is it a lie to pretend to be a member of a Church , yet have distain for the congregation?
All of the forums here state you may not teach unless you are a member.
You are allowed to ask questions.
Each one of us has a responsibility to God , He knows our motives and our intent.
Would anyone think it is not becoming Christian behavior , to pretend they are part of a group they seek to cause discourse in?
Just asking....

now faith said:
You are allowed to ask questions.

The question is: Are all completely healed in the WOF movement to which I belong? If not, what's the reason?

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