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First was Catholic. I used to be one. But man, it was not a great time. Their idea of mass is all wrong. Its ritual repetitiveness is not my idea of a breathing Church at all. The pastor got up and said a few things and then everyone is forced to give the exact same responses throughout the procession. The hymns are still nice, but the atmosphere is depressing to say the least. It was like being in the assembly of the dead, that was the feeling.

Then I went to my protestant church with the guitars and joyful hymns. With the off-the-cuff pastors preaching the word into my life. This was much more comforting and indeed relevant to my christian walk than the hyper ritualized mass of RCC. Where we talked about community projects openly and took the sacraments in unison.

I want to encourage every Catholic on here to please try going to a protestant church at least once. Just to see how different it is. I think you're going to find it much more liberating.
Not all protestant churches have rock bands and talk radio style sermons. Some of us sing psalms and listen to well thought out and logical sermons, both of which connect us to God and his word.
 
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First was Catholic. I used to be one. But man, it was not a great time. Their idea of mass is all wrong. Its ritual repetitiveness is not my idea of a breathing Church at all. The pastor got up and said a few things and then everyone is forced to give the exact same responses throughout the procession. The hymns are still nice, but the atmosphere is depressing to say the least. It was like being in the assembly of the dead, that was the feeling.

Then I went to my protestant church with the guitars and joyful hymns. With the off-the-cuff pastors preaching the word into my life. This was much more comforting and indeed relevant to my christian walk than the hyper ritualized mass of RCC. Where we talked about community projects openly and took the sacraments in unison.

I want to encourage every Catholic on here to please try going to a protestant church at least once. Just to see how different it is. I think you're going to find it much more liberating.

Thanks for your suggestion. And while I've been to different churches, I still like Catholic. And the repetition is meant to create an affect in the individual. I think it's important. But there is value and a place for off the cuff preaching and feeling the Holy Spirit. I do that when I talk to people about Jesus the Christ.
 
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First was Catholic. I used to be one. But man, it was not a great time. Their idea of mass is all wrong. Its ritual repetitiveness is not my idea of a breathing Church at all. The pastor got up and said a few things and then everyone is forced to give the exact same responses throughout the procession. The hymns are still nice, but the atmosphere is depressing to say the least. It was like being in the assembly of the dead, that was the feeling.
the protestant church wasn't always like that. it was more in keeping with the catholic. no guitars or hip pastors. and certainly no drums. i hate what's happened to the protestant church. no reverence or humility. all fun and games. it makes a mockery of Christianity.

Then I wen
First was Catholic. I used to be one. But man, it was not a great time. Their idea of mass is all wrong. Its ritual repetitiveness is not my idea of a breathing Church at all. The pastor got up and said a few things and then everyone is forced to give the exact same responses throughout the procession. The hymns are still nice, but the atmosphere is depressing to say the least. It was like being in the assembly of the dead, that was the feeling.

Then I went to my protestant church with the guitars and joyful hymns. With the off-the-cuff pastors preaching the word into my life. This was much more comforting and indeed relevant to my christian walk than the hyper ritualized mass of RCC. Where we talked about community projects openly and took the sacraments in unison.

I want to encourage every Catholic on here to please try going to a protestant church at least once. Just to see how different it is. I think you're going to find it much more liberating.

t to my protestant church with the guitars and joyful hymns. With the off-the-cuff pastors preaching the word into my life. This was much more comforting and indeed relevant to my christian walk than the hyper ritualized mass of RCC. Where we talked about community projects openly and took the sacraments in unison.

I want to encourage every Catholic on here to please try going to a protestant church at least once. Just to see how different it is. I think you're going to find it much more liberating.
 
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First was Catholic. I used to be one. But man, it was not a great time. Their idea of mass is all wrong. Its ritual repetitiveness is not my idea of a breathing Church at all. The pastor got up and said a few things and then everyone is forced to give the exact same responses throughout the procession. The hymns are still nice, but the atmosphere is depressing to say the least. It was like being in the assembly of the dead, that was the feeling.

Then I went to my protestant church with the guitars and joyful hymns. With the off-the-cuff pastors preaching the word into my life. This was much more comforting and indeed relevant to my christian walk than the hyper ritualized mass of RCC. Where we talked about community projects openly and took the sacraments in unison.

I want to encourage every Catholic on here to please try going to a protestant church at least once. Just to see how different it is. I think you're going to find it much more liberating.
the protestant church wasn't always like that. it was more in keeping with the catholic church. reverent, respectful and humble. no guitars, drums or hip pastors. and the preacher was always ordained. i hate what's happened to the protestant church.
 
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I can’t speak about the catholic Mass. it has been too long but two points of observation. First, I asked a Catholic who was working at the grocers. We got to talking and it seemed like he was on the same page as I was until I asked. ‘Are you a Christian.?” His response to me was sad he said ‘no I am Catholic.’

Second, there is no group of people who have done more in the name of Christ than our Catholic brothers and sisters into

God bless
 
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First was Catholic. I used to be one. But man, it was not a great time. Their idea of mass is all wrong. Its ritual repetitiveness is not my idea of a breathing Church at all. The pastor got up and said a few things and then everyone is forced to give the exact same responses throughout the procession. The hymns are still nice, but the atmosphere is depressing to say the least. It was like being in the assembly of the dead, that was the feeling.

Then I went to my protestant church with the guitars and joyful hymns. With the off-the-cuff pastors preaching the word into my life. This was much more comforting and indeed relevant to my christian walk than the hyper ritualized mass of RCC. Where we talked about community projects openly and took the sacraments in unison.

I want to encourage every Catholic on here to please try going to a protestant church at least once. Just to see how different it is. I think you're going to find it much more liberating.
As a Catholic, who used to be a Baptist, I can vouch that the problem isn't the Catholic Church's, it's your misunderstanding of the worship for Jesus Christ. Many young Catholics don't understand that Jesus Christ is present in body and blood at every Mass.

Most people would travel for hundreds or thousands of miles if Jesus were to reveal that he was going to be somewhere, but he IS there at every Catholic Mass. (This also includes every Church which believes in the Real Presence)

I can say that not every priest or deacon is great at delivering the homily but most are. All of the readings change each week so there is always a different message, to those who pay attention.

So please, understand that if you didn't get out of the Mass what you wanted, it wasn't the Catholic Church's fault. Everyone is different a flashy show with guitars, drums, lights, and smoke machines, as the ones I've seen, is not for everyone.

I go to Mass to worship God and to fellowship with my brethren.

God bless
 
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First was Catholic. I used to be one. But man, it was not a great time. Their idea of mass is all wrong. Its ritual repetitiveness is not my idea of a breathing Church at all. The pastor got up and said a few things and then everyone is forced to give the exact same responses throughout the procession. The hymns are still nice, but the atmosphere is depressing to say the least. It was like being in the assembly of the dead, that was the feeling.

Then I went to my protestant church with the guitars and joyful hymns. With the off-the-cuff pastors preaching the word into my life. This was much more comforting and indeed relevant to my christian walk than the hyper ritualized mass of RCC. Where we talked about community projects openly and took the sacraments in unison.

I want to encourage every Catholic on here to please try going to a protestant church at least once. Just to see how different it is. I think you're going to find it much more liberating.
Speaking as a non-Catholic, you and I have apparently had very different experiences with Catholicism.

A little background here—I'm Irish-American and Cajun. As such, a lot of my extended family either a) was raised Catholic and converted to some form of Protestantism or b) is currently Catholic. As such, I have some familiarity with Catholic traditions and theology. I've also been to Catholic masses for baptisms, funerals, and whatnot.
The most recent time I did this was for a Catholic funerary mass. And you know what? Despite being a funeral, the whole thing did feel very authentic and alive. Catholic liturgy has a lot of tradition to it, yes, but there's something comforting within that stability. It wasn't screaming to be relatable, it was just being what it had been, and that didn't feel stagnant. To me, it felt freeing.
I liked it to the point that there were times that would go to a contemporary Protestant service and would miss the beauty of that mass.

And I liked it to the point that I'm currently attending a Methodist liturgical service because it's got a similar quality (and is a grandchild of the Catholic liturgy).

Speaking of Methodist liturgies. I'd like to note here that "Protestant" and "liturgy" are not antithetical. Methodists have a liturgy, which was inherited from the Anglican liturgy. Lutherans, the original Protestants, have a liturgy. I would even argue that to an extent, despite not being codified (at least not to my knowledge), Baptists have some semblance of a liturgy in their churches (a marginally looser one, but a liturgy nonetheless). The dichotomy is too often presented as Catholic vs. Protestant when really it's liturgical vs. modern.

Furthermore, a service with guitars and "off-the-cuff preaching" does not a good church make. I know churches that do things that way, and some of them are way off base spiritually and/or theologically.

Maybe this is just me, but sometimes it comes across as if such churches are trying to make Christianity cool and trendy. But trends pass. Stuff stops being cool. Christianity will never be cool, but it will always be true, however we do things. So what does it matter whether someone goes to a liturgical service or a contemporary one, so long as they are being spiritually fed?

I don't want you to misinterpret me as saying that if a church has a contemporary service then they must be false Christians. All I am saying is that it's an awfully bold to assume that everyone who attends a liturgical church (like a Catholic church) must have never tasted the "liberation" that is a contemporary service, let alone that they will find such a service liberating.
 
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we attend more than one Christian church including sometimes an RC church

one thing I've noticed is the Monsignor preaches a very simple sermon & much shorter
(attendees are mostly older)

most of the Christian churches we attend last 1 1/2 hr not
1 hr like RC church
 
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we attend more than one Christian church including sometime an RC church

one thing I've noticed is the Monsieur preaches a very simple sermon and it's much shorter (attendees are mostly older)

most of the Christian churches we attend last 1 1/2 hr not
1 hr like RC church

I gotta tell you; there some Franciscians I like to listen to, and their homilies are super good, and last from five to ten minutes in length.

Then, I log on to a Reformed sermon on YouTube and I'm like "oh, my gosh, this is an hour long!" :eek::D
 
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we attend more than one Christian church including sometime an RC church

one thing I've noticed is the Monsieur preaches a very simple sermon and it's much shorter (attendees are mostly older)

most of the Christian churches we attend last 1 1/2 hr not
1 hr like RC church

While there are many great homilies that have been preserved since the early centuries due to their astounding light (those of St. Gregory Thaumaturgos, St. John Chrysostom, and St. Jacob of Serug come to mind), it should be said that traditionally the homily has not been the focus of the service as it sometimes can be in some less-liturgical forms of Protestantism. That might help explain both of these facts, as you've presented them. :)
 
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First was Catholic. I used to be one. But man, it was not a great time. Their idea of mass is all wrong. Its ritual repetitiveness is not my idea of a breathing Church at all. The pastor got up and said a few things and then everyone is forced to give the exact same responses throughout the procession. The hymns are still nice, but the atmosphere is depressing to say the least. It was like being in the assembly of the dead, that was the feeling.

Then I went to my protestant church with the guitars and joyful hymns. With the off-the-cuff pastors preaching the word into my life. This was much more comforting and indeed relevant to my christian walk than the hyper ritualized mass of RCC. Where we talked about community projects openly and took the sacraments in unison.

I want to encourage every Catholic on here to please try going to a protestant church at least once. Just to see how different it is. I think you're going to find it much more liberating.

What you are describing as "Protestant", isn't Protestant, but only reflective of a very modern set of practices of some Protestant groups.

If you were to visit my Lutheran church you'd likely have a hard time telling a lot of difference from the Catholic Mass. There's a reason for that, Lutherans retained the historic forms of Christian worship and practice as they had been for centuries. Worship forms that are older than even the Apostles, because their origin comes from the way the ancient Jews worshiped (and, also, how modern Jews continue to worship).

It's interesting that you describe it as not "a breathing Church", because it's really the exact opposite. The Liturgy is alive, it is the Church breathing. What you describe as ritual and repetativeness is the ancient rhythm, the inhaling and exhaling, of Christ's Body together in worship to receive God's Word and celebrate God's Sacraments. It is the living, breathing, Spirit-filled worship of God's people.

I suspect that what you experienced was simply your own prejudices, and what you liked wasn't something more spiritual--but rather simply something perhaps more comfortable with your own views.

The Liturgy does a lot of things well, and one of those things is that it doesn't let us bring much of ourselves into it.

Back in my Evangelical/Pentecostal days there was a song we used to sing, that had the words,

"I'm coming back to the heart of worship
And it's all about you,
It's all about you, Jesus"

But honestly? It's an empty platitude. Consider the first verse:

"When the music fades
All is stripped away
And I simply come
Longing just to bring
Something that's of worth
That will bless your heart
I'll bring you more than a song
For a song in itself
Is not what you have required
You search much deeper within
Through the way things appear
You're looking into my heart"

That's a whole lot of "me" in those lines, and like, nothing about Jesus actually.

But these kinds of songs, and certain kinds of worship really are about "me", it's about either what I can do, or what I can bring, or what I can get. And so it really comes down, boiled away, into entering into one's own private world.

The Liturgy doesn't allow that to happen. Because it really isn't about you, or about me. It's leitourgeia, the "public act" of God's people, gathered, centered around Christ as He is present and giving of Himself through Word and Sacrament. A breathing, living, engagement of God and His people, together. It simply can never be about me here. It really can only ever be about Jesus in the Liturgy.

I don't matter in the Liturgy, I am merely one voice in a chorus of voices that extends between earth and heaven.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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I think this is a misunderstanding, sir/ma'am. The Catholic Church (or any Church which has saints) isn't choosing who is a saint -- they are recognizing that these people are to be regarded as saints in their Church.

This is how it is you can have certain figures who are recognized as saints in certain churches that aren't recognized as such in others. It's not as if Rome (or Constantinople, or Alexandria, or whoever) declares "This person is a saint", and the rest of the Christian world snaps into line or something.

With due respect, some people who imagine the Roman Catholic Church to be the most corrupt and most power-seeking on earth also seem to unknowingly give it far more power in their imaginations (or at least according to their arguments) than it actually has.

Indeed. Many Protestants recognize A.W. Tozer and C. S. Lewis as excellent theologians, and examples. Many Protestant Christians affirm emphatically that certain preachers are certainly in Heaven.

Not all Protestant pastors or thinkers can or do reach those heights. Recognizing that there was something special and unique about those two men above most others is an ok thing for Protestants to do.

Like Dzheremi said, we recognize that certain Catholic Christians (or Orthodox for the Orthodox) are worthy of our respect, love, veneration, and attention because they reached unique heights of holiness, love, humility, wisdom, and nearness to God, and have much to teach us through their lives, and sometimes writings.

And that's ok, too.
 
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Further, Catholic Mass comes off to me as vain repetition. That's my stance on it, anyway.

Why do so many misinterpret that verse? Christ was criticizing the Pharisees for their VAIN repetitions, not just repetitions. Litanies and other Christian repetitive prayers are meant so that all the people are praying the same thing together (humbly). Protestants do this as well with the Pastor praying and everyone following along. If you honestly think that then perhaps you should actually study the mass instead of coming up with your own assumptions first.
 
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yeah, lots of happy clappy at the crucifixion, wasnt there. :doh:
At the crucifixion - not so much.

But after the resurrection - you betcha.

And of course that's the difference.

Catholics like to keep that crucifixion going and allow an unscriptural priesthood to dole it out to the laity.

Protestants generally concentrate on the resurrection and the once for all finished work of Christ at Calvary - a happy concept.

Happy clappy and quiet somber both have their place and I have enjoyed both kinds of services.

But always in services that celebrated the completed work of Christ at Calvary and not the unbiblical ongoing sacrifice of the Mass.
 
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In my opinion the Catholic Church is a cult. They protect their pedophile priests instead of turning them over to the law. They have more man in their church than they do God or the Bible. a There Bible tells us to be forgiven we just have to ask and repent. In the Catholic Church a man tells you a punishment you must to to be forgiven. The Bible says the Only way to the Father is through Jesus Let the Catholic church prays to Mary.

These are just a few examples of how the Catholic Church is all about religion and mans rules and very little of Jesus or God. They also do not allow the gifts of the Spirit to be manifest in their services
Firstly, the Catholic Church does not protect pedophile priests. There is certainly a ring of priests assisting each other in this but the Church has been actively rooting them out so stop bearing false witness.
Secondly, the entire Catholic mass and most of its dogma was written by the apostles or church elders that they put in place. Since the Bible wasn't canonized until around the 400s, Oral tradition was a requirement.
Thirdly, the point of confession is to have spiritual confidence and advice, not to be forgiven by a man. The priest tells you that you are forgiven, but he does so through scripture in that Christ is the one forgiving the person. It is an extremely useful practice in the Christian walk as having someone look at your life and give you spiritual advice is priceless.
Fourthly, the Bible says the only way to the FATHER is through Christ. Catholics ask Mary to pray for them to Christ, not to the Father- just as any Christian can ask another Christian to pray for them to Christ.
That is another point. The catholic Church doesn't get to choose who is a saint. All born again believers are saints
The Catholic Church declares that all born again believers are saints, as is scriptural. However the specific group of "the saints" canonized and recognized, are just those seen as particularly good examples of Christian faith, and those who should be sought for wisdom.

Perhaps you should study more before breaking forum rules and calling an entire church a cult eh?
 
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At the crucifixion - not so much.

But after the resurrection - you betcha.

And of course that's the difference.

Catholics like to keep that crucifixion going and allow an unscriptural priesthood to dole it out to the laity.

Protestants generally concentrate on the resurrection and the once for all finished work of Christ at Calvary - a happy concept.

Happy clappy and quiet somber both have their place and I have enjoyed both kinds of services.

But always in services that celebrated the completed work of Christ at Calvary and not the unbiblical ongoing sacrifice of the Mass.
When has God ever been about what is "happy"? Where in any of Scripture does it say that happiness is the most essential part of the spiritual life? Joy? It happens. Purity of mind? doesn't necessarily mean happy.

What scripture does show is men fearing God and being in utter awe of Christ's resurrection. Do you see Tomas getting "happy clappy" after putting his finger in Christ's side? Or do you think it was more reverent shock at the creator of the universe standing before him as a resurrected man?
 
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Firstly, the Catholic Church does not protect pedophile priests. There is certainly a ring of priests assisting each other in this but the Church has been actively rooting them out so stop bearing false witness.
Secondly, the entire Catholic mass and most of its dogma was written by the apostles or church elders that they put in place. Since the Bible wasn't canonized until around the 400s, Oral tradition was a requirement.
Thirdly, the point of confession is to have spiritual confidence and advice, not to be forgiven by a man. The priest tells you that you are forgiven, but he does so through scripture in that Christ is the one forgiving the person. It is an extremely useful practice in the Christian walk as having someone look at your life and give you spiritual advice is priceless.
Fourthly, the Bible says the only way to the FATHER is through Christ. Catholics ask Mary to pray for them to Christ, not to the Father- just as any Christian can ask another Christian to pray for them to Christ.

The Catholic Church declares that all born again believers are saints, as is scriptural. However the specific group of "the saints" canonized and recognized, are just those seen as particularly good examples of Christian faith, and those who should be sought for wisdom.

Perhaps you should study more before breaking forum rules and calling an entire church a cult eh?
Marius, can we borrow you occasionally for apologetics work?

We'll give you right back to Eastern Orthodoxy, we just want to borrow you occasionally. Cool?
 
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yeah, lots of happy clappy at the crucifixion, wasnt there. :doh:

Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God. - Hebrews 12:2
 
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I attend a "happy, clappy" Christian church where God is praised, Jesus is praised and the Holy Spirit is revered. When worship is sung I join in praising and praying to the Holy Trinity. I can also stand or kneel in prayer and in quietness to be in Gods presence. With all the guitars and drums and smoke machines I feel Gods love, I feel joy. I listen to the teachings of the sermons with love, awe and absolute respect. I share communion in remembrance of Jesus and the absolute sacrifice of giving Himself to death because of His great love for us and that we should be joined again in Gods love. I love that God is present in my church. I go home. I listen to Dr Charles Stanley and his sermons and many tears have I shed in absolute love of my Heavenly Father and my beautiful Saviour Jesus Christ. I cry also when the Holy Spirit fills my heart and soul. As long as God is present and I hear the teachings of Jesus and also hear the Gospel I will pray, praise and worship. I was catholic but was born again to follow Christ.
I have decided to follow Jesus, no turning back, no turning back. Love that song
May Gods peace, love and joy be with you always
 
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