Future New World Order One World Government...in the Bible?

From MattithYâ´huw ("Matthew") chapter 24, from the translation the Purer Scriptures for the REMNANT:

Christians, led by Rome (Kittíym) launch last crusade for retribution against the Lie, having allied with Islam against him (YirmYâ´huw 13: 21), and precipitate the Great Persecution.

¶ Moreover whenever ye might see, being encircled by armies, the one (f.) [being] Yruwshâláim [YirmYâ´huw 1: 14-16, ZkharYâ´hu 12: 1-3], at that time recognize that it has drawn near, the despoilment of her[1], [Luwqá’ 21: 20]



The Great Persecution

15. therefore, whenever ye might see the one [being] the Abomination (detestable worshipped image) of the one of the despoilment, the one [being] the one having been mentioned through Dâ´niyyË´’l, of the One of the Predicator [Dâ´niyyË´’l 9: 27, 11: 31], having stood where it should not, [Márquwç 13: 14] within, pertaining to the place belonging to the Pure One – he who [is] one distinguishing accurately, let him ponder with the Mind – [~within the Marriage Chamber of type B1 Yisrâ’ë´l, possessing them (YirmYâ´huw 11: 15, YchezqË´’l 8: 3-5, Dâ´niyyË´’l 11: 41, Mal’âkhíy 2: 11-12[2], 2 Thessaloníkeans 2: 3-4)]

16. at that time the ones within with the One pertaining to the Profession of Yâ-hwéh (Yâhuwthâ´h), let them flee among the ones [being] the mountains transferring[3] [~Yisrâ’ë´l outside Him (YchezqË´’l 7: 16)],



and the ones within, belonging to the middle of her, let them evacuate out, and the ones within pertaining to the ones belonging to the rural areas, let them not enter into her, [Luwqá’ 21: 21]

because the Days of Requital (Shillúwm) these become of the one, to be fulfilled all the things having been written. [Songs 69: 22, YirmYâ´huw 13: 19-26, 50: 41-43, Dâ´niyyË´’l 11: 30, Howshë´a` 9: 7, ZkharYâ´hu 14: 1-2] [Luwqá 21: 22]



17. but he who [is] against of the one of the house’s top [~the impostor], let him not descend down into the one [being] the house, do not even raise up the ones out from the one of the house of the same one,

18. and he who [is] within [~Yâhuwshúa`], with the one belonging to the farm [~carnal wife], let him not turn himself backwards to take off the ones, the Garments of him! [Dâ´niyyË´’l 11: 35]

19. But hówy (woe) pertaining to the ones within [~Yâhuwshúa`], belonging to ones holding on to the womb [~sexual emanation of sâțâ´n (To the Philippoçíym 3: 17-21)] and to the ones pertaining to ones breastfeeding by belonging to those with the Ones during the days,



because it shall become a great distress upon the one of the land [~the impostor] and the wrath [is] in belonging to the one, [being] with the people belonging to this One [~Yâhuwshúa`]. [Luwqá’ 21: 23] so, they shall fall with the edge of the sword, and they shall be led captive unto all the ones [being] heathen masses [ZkharYâ´hu 14: 2], [Luwqá’ 21: 24] and Yruwshâláim, she shall one being trampled under heathen masses until the time periods of the peoples might be completed. [42 months – Disclosure 11: 3] [Luwqá’ 21: 24]


[1] Although “her” refers to Yruwshâláim, and this event was foreshadowed by the events at the Bar-Kochba revolt in 135 ACE, this is an end-time event in its context, and refers mainly to spiritual Old Yruwshâláim, all those under the old covenant who do not discern Yâhuwshúa`, including Christianity, though their armies are the ones encircling Yruwshâláim.

[2] “the Profession of Yâ-hwéh (“Yâhuwthâ´h”), it was totally abandoned/left surviving to send forth of Yisrâ’ë´l and the detestable thing (n.), it has come to exist among the ones of Yisrâ’ë´l, of the ones not [being] not-a-mighty-one of Yisrâ’ë´l, even among the ones of Yisrâ’ë´l [being] Yruwshâláim (city of two peaces) on this account: because it defiled/profaned the Profession of Yâ-hwéh (“Yâhuwthâ´h”) not pertaining to the pure first one (f.) of Yâ-hwéh among the ones of Yisrâ’ë´l, ones which He affectionately loved of Yisrâ’ë´l, and he lived his life with an eye towards, among My Yisrâ’ë´l, the mighty ones of ’aharón (light-carrier/lucifer) belonging to another/not of one’s own.”

Yâ-hwéh, He shall cut off, of the one not [being] the existent man, of the one not [being] the One making this one these things become the Testimony of Yisrâ’ë´l of Yisrâ’ë´l, so let him be reduced to a plain [~Son`â´r (1 Moshéh 11: 1-9, YchezqË´’l 39: 17, Dâ´niyyË´’l 8: 23-25, ZkharYâ´hu 4: 7)] he who “I shall become (’e-hyéh) Yisrâ’ë´l” of the temporary dwellings (“tabernacles”) [~dirt-bodies] of the supplanter (Ya`aqóv) of Yisrâ’ë´l, though he who “I shall become (’e-hyéh) Yisrâ’ë´l” [is], of the One, leading/bringing the slaughter-offering of the Box of the ones not pertaining to Yâ-hwéh, [ones] belonging to the Upholder of all. [~bringing carnal Type B1 Yisrâ’ë´l to its pruning at 6th Seal]

[3] Decoded LXX preadvent scriptures often associate mountain with the omitted term “transferring” or “wine”, both referring to a group of the middle, Yisrâ’ë´l outside Him, in the transition transferring to sâțâ´n and bearing the grapes of wrath. Since the adversary hid the Truth in lies, by going into the midst of them without the intent of persuading them of the Truth, as the next verses say, we true ones are hidden from view by their lies.

nolidad said:

I failed to look at your avatar! My bad. But why are you praying to someone else other than the trinity?

We are forbidden to by Scripture. Also God said there is only one mediator between God and man the man Christ Jesus. Mary can do no mediation as that prayer suggests.

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Do you ask anyone a question? Anyone at all? Than you are praying to them. Look up the word "pray" and the etymology behind the word and you will see. Their is no Prohibition to pray in the Bible just from the minds of man because they think they know everything because they have the Bible. No one said Mary was the mediator between us and God (only evangelicals seem to say that do not care to understand or never found out and just repeat things they heard like I did once), or you a mediator between someone and God when they ask a prayer? No of course not, that would be absurd. There is only one mediator between God and man, which is Christ.

There is no believer in Heaven that is dead and they can pray much better that if you ask (pray to) your friend to pray for you. Only evangelicals seem to think Christians are dead when we go to Heaven yet the Bible says no such thing nor is God the God of the dead

nolidad said:

Whether it is called the NWO or remain the UN with real authority, is a wait to see thing! but there has been a push for a one world govt. for along long time!

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That is true when these teachings were first written about 2000 years ago.

However, between that time and now, it happened.

Your understanding is mostly correct, however, you seem to be lacking in terms of observation of actual events that took place already.

I was only blessed with the opportunity to travel to places people don't usually go and look at things and places most people don't bother.

We're dealing with a "resurrected form" of the old Roman Empire. They pulled it off through subterfuge / secrecy and ironically, it's the only means of keeping an empire alive for many thousands of year. You can't fight an enemy that doesn't "exist" or you cannot see.

If you watched the entire movie sequels of MIB (Men in Black). That's a good analogy of what's going on. It carries the message we are all being taken for fools. Almost everything that happens is a distraction, including wars, the economy, politics.

Before you knew the truth, you are dead just like the rest. The dead don't think, wherever the wind blows, they follow.

LittleLambofJesus said:

The above posts are taken from another thread, so I decided to start this thread.

Is a future NWO needed to fulifill Bible Prophecy?
If you vote, please give reasons for the way you voted.....thanks

I voted no because I view 1st century Jerusalem in Revelation...........
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The New World Order NWO | Endtime Ministries with Irvin Baxter

The New World Order (NWO)
World Government Forming Now!

The prophesied one-world government is being formed on earth at this very time. The Bible prophesies that the Antichrist will ultimately reign over this world government for three-and-one-half years just prior to the Second Coming of Jesus to establish His own world government.

SBL Publications

'Left Behind' No More? An Evangelical Preterist Interpretation of Revelation in 'The Last Disciple' series
Margaret E. Ramey

Biblical interpreters have found a new arena for fighting—fiction! Because novels are easily accessible and understandable, they can function as powerful propaganda tools for swaying the masses. We need mention only The DaVinci Code as one example of the effect that fiction can have on reshaping the image of Jesus in the public square. The battle currently being waged, however, is over eschatology rather than Christology, and the two opposing groups come not from different theological parties but from the same evangelical camp.

Most are already aware of Tim LaHaye and Jerry Jenkins' Left Behind series, which espouses a premillennial dispensationalism popular within modern American evangelicalism. The novels are set in the not-so-distant future and begin with the rapture of all the "real Christians." The characters who have been "left behind" then experience a seven-year tribulation during which the post-rapture Christian converts rally forces against the antichrist and try to withstand various wars, plagues, and famines that take place prior to Christ's return and his thousand-year reign of peace on the earth.

Many, however, may not have heard of the newer Last Disciple series written by Hank Hanegraaff, better known in evangelical circles as the Bible Answer Man and as the president of the Christian Research Institute, and Sigmund Brouwer to intentionally counter Left Behind's eschatology with a preterist interpretation of Revelation and other apocalyptic writings.[1] Unlike futurist positions, such as the one seen in the Left Behind series, the preterist position is a historical one, which advocates that Revelation should primarily be understood as a letter written to churches in the first century C.E. Insisting that context should determine its meaning, interpreters locate Revelation's symbols and prophecies within the first century rather than transposing them onto later time periods. In the Last Disciple series, we see this commitment to interpreting Revelation via its historical context first and foremost in the fact that the novels are historical fiction rather than futuristic fantasy as are the Left Behind novels. From the first page of the trilogy, its preterist position is made clear by the designation of its setting as "ten months after the beginning of the tribulation" (65 C.E.; Last Disciple, 1).

At first glance, Hanegraaff'snovels appear to be worlds apart from their fictional, evangelical cousins (and according to their settings, they literally are). The eschatologies dramatized through these novels are vastly divergent, as we shall see through exploring the preterism of the Last Disciple series, but what turns out to be most striking about this new series is not its differences but its similarities with the Left Behind novels that arise from several hermeneutical assumptions regarding prophecy and symbols.==================


Conclusion

While Hanegraaff is not above the literalism of interpretation seen in the Left Behind series, his work still has much to recommend it. In comparison with LaHaye's novels, his series provide a more balanced interpretation of Revelation that takes both the genre and the historical context of the letter seriously. He stresses the need to locate the letter within its first century context and lets readers vicariously experience one possible, if extremely far-fetched, scenario of how the first recipients would have experienced it. In addition, he recognizes the function of apocalyptic literature, which is to fortify the faithful in the midst of oppression by providing a heavenly perspective on their current situation. Finally, he interacts with some of the best of biblical scholarship when he highlights the anti-imperial nature of the letter's symbols.

Hanegraaff provides a helpful counterbalance within evangelicalism to the predominant premillinial dispensationalism encapsulated in the Left Behind series. Most importantly, he attempts to shift the evangelical focus from rapture to resurrection. Hanegraaff states on his website: "In our view the great and glorious hope of believers is not found in rapture but in the blessed hope of resurrection."[13] If nothing else, perhaps his readers will be encouraged to re-center their faith on what has historically been the hope of Christianity rather than remain captivated by this more recent fixation on being left behind.

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littlelambofJesus,

1. NWO being biblical might depend on your definition.

2. Lucifer who became Satan in Isaiah 14:12-14 was trying to overthrow the Heavenly kingdom to be like the most high.
The King of Tyrus and Anointed cherub who was Lucifer and had become Satan
defiled his sanctuaries Ezekiel 12-18.
This was a NWO attempted takeover of the universe.
His goal has always been to overthrow God and become the universal leader.

3. Satan worked through the serpent and deceived Adam and Eve Genesis 3:1-7.
Adam and Eve lost the physical and spiritual rules in their kingdom known as the Garden of Eden when they sinned.
God designed his redemption plan to restore these two things.
The spiritual rule was won at Calvary which was prophesied in Genesis 3:15 and was manifested when Jesus died Matthew 27:50; 28:5-6; Mark 15:37; Mark 16:9; Luke 23:46; Luke 24:6; John 19:30; John 20:9; 17.
The physical rule will be manifested in the future Revelation 11:15 when the kingdoms of this world become the kingdoms of our Lord and of his Christ and he shall reign forever and ever. This will happen at the second coming in Revelation 16:16-21; 19:11-20.

4. Genesis 11:1-9 is about the Tower of Babel where the whole earth was of one language and of one speech in the land of Shinar.
This was a NWO mindset of the earthlings rebelling against the Lord of Heaven to make a name. The city and tower, whose top would reach to Heaven.
Many believe this to have been a zodiac temple.
The Lord confused their language. Babel means confusion and scattered them abroad on all the face of the earth v8-9.

5. Exodus 1:8 started the Egyptian world empire. Daniel 2 & 7 shows the nations that historically were used in chastening Israel.
2 Kings 18:11-13 shows Assyria taking over Israel and Judah.
Daniel 2 & 7 shows the nations that historically were used in chastening Israel.
They were Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, and Rome and were considered world empires.
It doesn’t mean they covered the complete earth.

6. The 7th head and ten horns are future still recorded Daniel 7:7-8; 16-27; Revelation 17:9-18. This will be the Revised Roman Empire.
The eighth which is the of the seventh head v9. This will be the Antichrist beast kingdom Revelation 13.

7. Many believe that the Antichrist kingdom will not be world wide because of being centered around the Middle East.
The word all is used as a syndenoche, a part of the whole.
We also know that the global order is the world system that is connected. With computers and the internet it is easy to see more of a global system than in the past such as 70 A.D.
Even at that the Antichrist kingdom may not touch everywhere because some won’t even know Christ has come back as seems to be implied in Zechariah 8:23; Thus saith the Lord of hosts; In those days it shall come to pass, that ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you: for we have heard that God is with you.

8. So NWO has always been around in thought and the then known world.
Only Christ will succeed in a complete earthly NWO Isaiah 9:7; Daniel 7:27; Revelation 11:15.

These are the basic NWO attempts that Satan made and failed against God and will fail in the future. Jerry Kelso

timewerx said:

That is true when these teachings were first written about 2000 years ago.

However, between that time and now, it happened.

Your understanding is mostly correct, however, you seem to be lacking in terms of observation of actual events that took place already.

I was only blessed with the opportunity to travel to places people don't usually go and look at things and places most people don't bother.

We're dealing with a "resurrected form" of the old Roman Empire. They pulled it off through subterfuge / secrecy and ironically, it's the only means of keeping an empire alive for many thousands of year. You can't fight an enemy that doesn't "exist" or you cannot see.

If you watched the entire movie sequels of MIB (Men in Black). That's a good analogy of what's going on. It carries the message we are all being taken for fools. Almost everything that happens is a distraction, including wars, the economy, politics.

Before you knew the truth, you are dead just like the rest. The dead don't think, wherever the wind blows, they follow.

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Well as I have studied what people call "conspiracy theories" in deptyhj, I don't think I am lacking observation.

There is no resurrected form of the Roman Empire- there is a continuation of many of its practices, but Imperialism is the issue and not the Roman Empire. The EU is not a resurrected Empire, neither was Mussolini, or Hitler or the Ottomans, or the HRE of Gemany or the HRE of France. Right now we are in the eatr west or 2 leg phase of Imperialism which are centered in Russia and the US

I have travelled much, so what places and things are you talking about that are germaine to this talk.

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nolidad said:

There is no resurrected form of the Roman Empire- there is a continuation of many of its practices,

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If the devil is ruler of this world (1 John 5:19) and as called "The Father of Lies". Things won't always be done in plain sight.

I worked in many different countries, staying at least 6 months in each working directly or indirectly with their government agencies.

Plenty of the Ancient Roman Symbols and Language in their Gov't Agencies. These are akin to Occult Symbols. These are endemic in Western democratic countries. But I also found them in Saudi Arabia which made it all the more intriguing.

It's really not suprising that a "One World Gov't" is already up and running and running things under our noses for thousands of years.

Even Jesus left plenty of hints - 1 John 5:19, John 7:7, John 15:19, Luke 6:20-26.

A true Christian will be hated by the world and seen as evil because the empire of this world is ruled by Satan.

timewerx said:

The actual (Roman Empire) world government is worldwide in scope.

Ironically, I even found Roman Art / Symbols in the Saudi Arabian Government agencies (when I was working and living in Saudi). Which is a Muslim-Arab country.

Not sure if Communist countries are also in it. Never traveled to one before.

This global government isn't the future, it WAS and is NOW. It is future from the perspective of the 12 disciples but not from ours.

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A number of years ago I shared the book "En Route to Global Occupation" by Gary Kah, with my pastor.

A few weeks later my pastor did a sermon in which he said we did not need to worry about global government, because the Church would be raptured to heaven before it occurred.



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Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, modern Dispensational Theology falls apart, and the pretrib removal of the Church falls with it.


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BABerean2 said:

A number of years ago I shared the book "En Route to Global Occupation" by Gary Kah, with my pastor.

A few weeks later my pastor did a sermon in which he said we did not need to worry about global government, because the Church would be raptured to heaven before it occurred.

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Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, modern Dispensational Theology falls apart, and the pretrib removal of the Church falls with it.


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We're all "left behinders" then!

LittleLambofJesus said:

That prize to goes to Darby.

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Actually, Darby got the doctrine from the followers of Edward Irving, as confirmed by the links below.

PROPHETIC DEVELOPMENTS
with particular reference to the early Brethren Movement.
F. Roy Coad (Brethren Historian) pages 10-26
http://brethrenhistory.org/qwicsitePro/php/docsview.php?docid=418


Origin of the Pretrib Rapture Doctrine
Pastor Tim Warner
http://www.4windsfellowships.net/articles/rapture_23.pdf


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LittleLambofJesus said:

But of course it will.............

Where in Revelation is a Rapture Mentioned?


The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD
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Rapture Doctrine invented by John Darby in 1830 AD

Introduction:

See our main Rapture page here.

1. Rapture doctrine is one of the most recent "new doctrines" in the history of the Church. The only doctrine more recent is the invention of the sinner's prayer for salvation by Billy Sunday in 1930, which was made popular by Billy Graham in 1935.

2. The fact that John Nelson Darby invented the pre-tribulation rapture doctrine around 1830 AD is unquestionably true. All attempts to find evidence of this wild doctrine before 1830 have failed, with a single exception: Morgan Edwards wrote a short essay as a college paper for Bristol Baptist College in Bristol England in 1744 where he confused the second coming with the first resurrection of Revelation 20 and described a "pre-tribulation" rapture. However Edwards ideas, which he admitted were brand new and never before taught, had no influence in the modern population of the false doctrine. That prize to goes to Darby.

3. Prior to 1830, no church taught it in their creed, catechism or statement of faith.

4. Darby has had a profound impact on religion today, since Darby's "secret rapture" false doctrine has infected most conservative, evangelical churches. While the official creeds and statements of faith of many churches either reject or are silent about Rapture, neither do they openly condemn this doctrine of a demon from the pulpit.

5. While not all dispensationalists believe in the Rapture. All those who teach the Rapture also believe in premillennialism. Both groups use Israel's modern statehood status of 1948 to be a beginning of a countdown to the end.

6. All premillennialists, rapturists and dispensationalists alive today believe the Bible reveals the general era of when Christ will return. The date setters of the 1800's (Seventh-day Adventists who are date setting premillennialists who reject the rapture, Jehovah's Witnesses who have set many dates) based their predictions upon speculative arrangements of numbers and chronologies in the Bible. Today's date setters without exception wrongly believe that Israel gaining state hood in 1948 fulfilled Bible prophecy and that Christ would return within one generation.

7. There are two kinds of premillennialists: Those "Date setters" and "Date Teasers". "Date setters", set specific dates which are in fact a countdown clock to the extinction of their own ministries. (William Miller, Charles Russell, Ronald Weinland, Harold Camping, etc.) "Date teasers", share the same rhetoric of urgency that the "end is very soon", but refuse to lock into a specific date. (Jack Van Impe, Hal Lindsay, Tim LaHaye, Pentecostals, Baptists, Grant Jefferies, Christadelphians.)

8. Most of the TV preachers who promote rapture and/or "date set" all wrongly believe they are a prophet of God with special illumination. Pentecostals believe they are inspired directly from the Holy Spirit as modern day prophets. Baptists believe they are illuminated with guidance from the Holy Spirit through the Calvinist doctrine of Irresistible grace.

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littlelambofJesus,

1. Your biblical hermeneutics are wrong not to mention you don’t understand the subject of the Kingdom properly in all various contexts and how to reconcile them together.
You must not understand the role of Israel whose gifts and callings are without repentance and their earthly calling and the church who has a heavenly call and yet will be a part of the millennial kingdom.
Since you are certain why don’t you start with the Kingdom from the very beginning of the scriptures to the end. Jerry Kelso

timewerx said:

If the devil is ruler of this world (1 John 5:19) and as called "The Father of Lies". Things won't always be done in plain sight.

I worked in many different countries, staying at least 6 months in each working directly or indirectly with their government agencies.

Plenty of the Ancient Roman Symbols and Language in their Gov't Agencies. These are akin to Occult Symbols. These are endemic in Western democratic countries. But I also found them in Saudi Arabia which made it all the more intriguing.

It's really not suprising that a "One World Gov't" is already up and running and running things under our noses for thousands of years.

Even Jesus left plenty of hints - 1 John 5:19, John 7:7, John 15:19, Luke 6:20-26.

A true Christian will be hated by the world and seen as evil because the empire of this world is ruled by Satan.

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And so aren't occult symbols and ancient babylonian symbols! The symbols of Rome that have survived speak of imperialism and the form of government they adopted which was imperialism and a bipartate form of govt.

There is a structure of one worldism in th egroups like the CFR, Illuminati, Club of Rome, European Round tables, Bilderbergs, Davos group, the central banks, the UN etc, but that one world govt. has not taken place yet!

nolidad said:

And so aren't occult symbols and ancient babylonian symbols!

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Those symbols are found in the Israeli Parliament Building, designed, and built by the Rothschild family.
That family controls the banks of the world.

The top of the building contains a pyramid with the all-seeing eye, which is also found on the one dollar Federal Reserve note.



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nolidad said:

And so aren't occult symbols and ancient babylonian symbols! The symbols of Rome that have survived speak of imperialism and the form of government they adopted which was imperialism and a bipartate form of govt.

There is a structure of one worldism in th egroups like the CFR, Illuminati, Club of Rome, European Round tables, Bilderbergs, Davos group, the central banks, the UN etc, but that one world govt. has not taken place yet!

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nolidad,

1. You are correct.
Babylonian ruler Nimrod, the mighty hunter Genesis 6 and his Queen were the ones that started many of these things.
The Tower of Babel was said to be an astrological temple.

2. Rome adopted many of the colors, holidays and mystic beliefs that began in Babylon.
This is known historically in Revelation 2 that talks about the church of Pergamos and the phrase “where Satan’s seat is. This dealt with the Caesars who believed they were Deity themselves.

3. The Globalized secret societies you mentioned are just a few of the societies that are pushing one world globalized governments behind close doors and seem are being more open.
Kissinger said Obama was the one to lead us in to the NWO. Jerry Kelso

jerry kelso said:

nolidad,

1. You are correct.
Babylonian ruler Nimrod, the mighty hunter Genesis 6 and his Queen were the ones that started many of these things.
The Tower of Babel was said to be an astrological temple.

2. Rome adopted many of the colors, holidays and mystic beliefs that began in Babylon.
This is known historically in Revelation 2 that talks about the church of Pergamos and the phrase “where Satan’s seat is. This dealt with the Caesars who believed they were Deity themselves.

3. The Globalized secret societies you mentioned are just a few of the societies that are pushing one world globalized governments behind close doors and seem are being more open.
Kissinger said Obama was the one to lead us in to the NWO. Jerry Kelso

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Well Kissinger missed and Obama didn't lead us into the NWO. God will be the one who allows the NWO to come into full power! Obama had the opposite effect in America and Israel- we have gone more nationalistic instead of global minded! So there needs to come an event to move us and Israel and now England it appears into globalism.

BABerean2 said:

Those symbols are found in the Israeli Parliament Building, designed, and built by the Rothschild family.
That family controls the banks of the world.

The top of the building contains a pyramid with the all-seeing eye, which is also found on the one dollar Federal Reserve note.

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Yep, Secular mysticism as well as New age mysticism are firmly entrenched on so many of our establishments. The new age movement came and went, but those behind the scenes are still pushing for Sanat Kumbala (the antichrist) to come to power. It is all moving along awaiting God to allow it to play itself out!

nolidad said:

Well Kissinger missed and Obama didn't lead us into the NWO. God will be the one who allows the NWO to come into full power! Obama had the opposite effect in America and Israel- we have gone more nationalistic instead of global minded! So there needs to come an event to move us and Israel and now England it appears into globalism.

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nolidad, Yes, Thank God Christians we’re praying. Jerrykelso

BABerean2 said:

A number of years ago I shared the book "En Route to Global Occupation" by Gary Kah, with my pastor.

A few weeks later my pastor did a sermon in which he said we did not need to worry about global government, because the Church would be raptured to heaven before it occurred.

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Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, modern Dispensational Theology falls apart, and the pretrib removal of the Church falls with it.


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Hebrews 8:6-13

baberean2,

1. Jeremiah 31:31-34; Israel the nation was prophesied to receive the New Covenant and never have to be taught anything anymore and he would forgive them their sins and they would be his people and vice versa.
This was according to their covenants 2 Samuel 7:13-16; 1 Chronicles 28:1-7 which were unconditional meaning it would eventually come to pass for their gifts and callings are without repentance Romans 11:29.
Conditional on repentance for God would chasten them with the rod of men which historically happened and his mercy would not depart from him like Saul.
V16 and his kingdom and throne would be forever and ever.
The same promise made to Solomon who would build his house and courts etc. Solomon was told not to forsake him or he would cast him off forever.
He did sin with women and idols but God made a way 11:39; he would afflict the seed of David but not forever
Jesus taught this Kingdom message and they rejected him and his earthly ministry Matthew 4:17; 6:33; Luke 17:20-21; Matthew 23:37-39.

2. The context of Jeremiah 31 is about the New Covenant for Israel and Judah which involves the Davidic Kingdom reign. This didn’t happen in the early church.
Technically, the mystery of the church which is the Jews and Gentiles in one body alike to become one new man Ephesians 2:14-15 was legally ratified at Calvary.
So legally the New Covenant being made with Israel and Judah only Jeremiah 31:31-4 could not have been made.

3. He will put the law in their hearts and write it into their inward parts, and will be their God and they shall be his people.
And they shall teach no more every man his neighbor and every man his brother, saying; know the Lord for they shall all know me from the least of them unto the greatest of them, Saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity and I will remember their sin no more.
This could not be, for Israel is still backslidden as a nation today.

4. Acts 1:6-7; the disciples asked if the kingdom would be restored to Israel again.
The disciples understand that Israel rejected Christ which cost the nation of Israel its kingdom promised and reign 2 Samuel 7:13-16; 1 Chronicles 28:1-7; Isaiah 9:7.
They knew they had received the New Covenant concerning the cross Matthew 26:20-28.
Verse 29; Jesus said, he would not drink of this fruit of the vine until that day I drink it New with you in my Father’s house.
He said in Acts 1:7 that it was not for them to know the times and seasons which was in the Fathers power.
These are both the same kingdoms and Christ hasn’t come back after his ascension.
Matthew 23:37-39; the kingdom rejected, and would be desolate until Christ comes back and they say Blessed in the name of the Lord. It is the same Kingdom as Acts 1:6-7; Matthew 23:37-39.
Matthew 19:28 is about the disciples in the regeneration when the son of man sits in the throne of his glory where the apostles will judge upon twelve thrones judging the twelve tribes. This is the same kingdom as in Matthew 23:37-39; Matthew 26:29 and Acts 1:6-7.
None of these have been fulfilled and this with the legality of the church starting at Calvary the New Covenant has not been given to the nation of Israel and the house of Judah.

5. Romans 11:26; And so all Israel will be saved.
The word “all” definitely is not used as a syndenoche as a part of a whole like saying the whole world and their mother was there.
Even with your false translation of “ And so all” is used is a form of a syndenoche because you don’t believe it is the whole nation of Israel that has to be saved.
Ezekiel 37:16-28 shows that the nation of Israel and Judah will no longer be divided into two kingdoms and they will become one stick. Stick, nation, kingdom are all the same with Israel not the church like you believe.

6. Revelation 12 has the sun clothed woman who is Israel and the man child, the 144,000, and the believing remnant of her seed.
The 144,000 Jews are raptured to Heaven Revelation 14:1-5 after being protected through the trumpet judgements Revelation 9:4 whether you believe they are the man child or not.
The believing remnant of Israel’s seed in the time of Jacob’s trouble in v 17 in the middle of the tribulation and at the end of the tribulation Revelation 11:13 will be on the earth.
The sun clothed woman is Israel who is protected in the wilderness in the middle of the tribulation Revelation 12:6; 13-16 and will be on earth the rest of the tribulation when Christ comes back at Armageddon with all the saints from Adam to the Church age saints 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17 and the tribulation saints raptured Revelation 11:13; 14:1-5 and martyrs Revelation 6:9-11; 7:13-16; Revelation 13:7; 14:13; 15:1-2.
Israel in the wilderness will be those that mourn and recognize the Messiah whom they pierced Revelation 1:7.
Romans 11:27 and Hebrews 8:12 is all about a backslidden Israel that will have their sins taken away and their iniquities God won’t remember them anymore.
This has not happened yet for they are still backslidden today and that is a fact.
And this is talking about the New Covenant.
These passages are not about the church as one new man today where the gates of hell shall never prevail against.
There is no scripture that says the New Testament church has to go through the time of Jacob’s trouble or be purified as travailing like a man child or a woman in birth pangs etc.
This is why there is no post rapture, not to mention we will be coming with Christ out of Heaven to go to Armageddon Revelation 19:11-15.

7. Hebrews 10:16-17 starts at verse 12 in which Christ sat down on the right hand of God when he went back to heaven.
V 13; From henceforth expecting til his enemies be made his footstool. This don’t happen til the kingdom is delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father 1 Corinthians 15:24.
V 25; For he must reign, till he hath put all his enemies under his feet.
The time factor is when the kingdom is consummated not the first century.

8. Hebrews 12:22-24; this speaks of the church of Jews and Gentiles today even though it is spoken to basically Jewish Christians.
Hebrews is about the contrast of the Old Covenant and New Covenant.
This has nothing to do with the Kingdom of Heaven message back in Jesus ministry and the question that the disciples asked about the restoration of the Kingdom in Acts 1:6-7.
Jerry Kelso

jerry kelso said:

2. The context of Jeremiah 31 is about the New Covenant for Israel and Judah which involves the Davidic Kingdom reign. This didn’t happen in the early church.
Technically, the mystery of the church which is the Jews and Gentiles in one body alike to become one new man Ephesians 2:14-15 was legally ratified at Calvary.
So legally the New Covenant being made with Israel and Judah only Jeremiah 31:31-4 could not have been made.

3. He will put the law in their hearts and write it into their inward parts, and will be their God and they shall be his people.
And they shall teach no more every man his neighbor and every man his brother, saying; know the Lord for they shall all know me from the least of them unto the greatest of them, Saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity and I will remember their sin no more.
This could not be, for Israel is still backslidden as a nation today.

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Jerry,

The author of the Book of Hebrews quoted Jeremiah 31:31-34 word-for-word within Hebrews 8:6-13, and started the passage with the word "now".
You must ignore Hebrews 8:6 to make your viewpoint work, because an understanding of the New Covenant kills Dispensational Theology.

We find the same thing in Hebrews 10:16-18, where a key part of Jeremiah 31:31-34 is quoted, and we find the word "now".

The master teacher promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34 was revealed by Christ in John 14:26, as the Holy Spirit.
The fulfillment of the master teacher is found below for all of those in the New Covenant.

1Jn 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

Once again we see the scripture which you must ignore to make the Two Peoples of God doctrine work. Like other man-made doctrines, this makes it a doctrine of ignorance.

When a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, modern Dispensational Theology falls apart, and the pretrib removal of the Church falls with it.

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