Abortion is legal (again) in Alabama!

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You appear terribly naive.
I think I did ok, with the important decision making, I have children that I allowed to live and never regretted it. How anyone can be a parent and still support abortion is beyond me.
That much is obvious.

If its naive to listen to science instead of bronze age religion reinterpreted by modern day politicians trying to drum up support and demonise their opposition, I am proud to be naive.
 
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Maybe we should all learn about the consequences of car crashes by removing seat belts. That would be best.
Sounds right in line with the ideology of the anti-equality, abortion bigot movement. "People I don't value are like a car wreck"
 
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Sounds right in line with the ideology of the anti-equality, abortion bigot movement. "People I don't value are like a car wreck"

Sounds right in line with someone who can't handle the logical flaws in an argument being pointed out.
 
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Sounds right in line with someone who can't handle the logical flaws in an argument being pointed out.
Nothing logical about the buffoonery you presented. "Protecting human rights is like committing self-murder and stuff!"
 
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Nothing logical about the buffoonery you presented. "Protecting human rights is like committing self-murder and stuff!"

No, you said "The best way to learn about consequences is having to deal with them. Obviously."

Then I implied that's not how we deal with automobile accidents -- we use protection. We practice safe driving, just like we ought to be practicing safe sex.

And then you... well I can't really explain what you did, but somehow it wound up in 'people I don't value' and self-murder
 
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Why should he quit his job? Obviously space is the last frontier for missionary work!

Hopefully more in the future will pursue this higher calling. Perhaps earth will be a more peaceful place.
 
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Better education on contraception use would be a big one...

A substantial portion of women who get abortions do so due to contraception failure due to improper use.

36.7% to be exact.

As would making contraception options either affordable, or no-cost.

However, the "people just need to be abstinent and this won't happen" has proven to be nothing more than drivel for the past 30 years, and hasn't yielded any sort of positive results when looking at the big picture.


The real question to answer, with regards to abortion isn't "how do we stop people from having sex to stop pregnancies?" That's a fantasy...people will continue to have sex, just like people will continue to eat bad food.

The real question is, "How, when a woman is faced with an unplanned pregnancy, do we make her feel like she has options, and can tackle this challenge?"

...and the answer to that question is rather simple, however, many folks in the pro-life camp often choose to back the politicians that miscategorize that answer as "that's evil socialism, and we shouldn't have to pay for that!"

If conservatives in the pro-life camp really want to reduce the number of abortions (which they claim is the goal, right?), they need to back of their position of wanting to have their cake and eat it too. They want to reduce abortions, but they only want to consider the reduction methods that fit neatly into their ideological/religious moral standards. Meaning, they'll oppose social safety nets, they'll oppose taxpayer funded contraception programs, they'll oppose measures that would actually make the most expensive costs associated with parents (IE: education and healthcare) more manageable. They only want to consider "just stop having sex" as a solution.

Contrary to what they think "you just have to suck it up and raise this kid as a single mom on a low income because we don't think you should've had sex in the first place, and this is your penitence for doing so" isn't a very compelling argument...

When pro-life conservatives start becoming more receptive to social safety nets, then I'll believe they want to solve that problem...

I like how you think.

To be blunt, I'm tired of religious values being shoved down the throats of women who just want to get on with their lives.
 
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Without that, there can be no justice.
That does not make sense. If someone takes precautions there is no need of ‘justice’.

If a woman has a one night stand and uses contraception and does not become pregnancy what is the need for ‘justice’?
 
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Because it reduces the number of abortions.

Or do your pro life convictions stop at your wallet?
This is it.

I won’t contribute to solving the problem because I WANT women to be ‘punished’ by having to bring up an unwanted children to teach them they should NEVER have casual sex.

Dressed up which ever way, that’s what it comes down to: ideology and selfishness.
 
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This is it.

I won’t contribute to solving the problem because I WANT women to be ‘punished’ by having to bring up an unwanted children to teach them they should NEVER have casual sex.

Dressed up which ever way, that’s what it comes down to: ideology and selfishness.
Every time I see such a sentiment displayed, I can't help but imagine that it is held because of a lack of casual sex in ones own life.
 
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Hopefully more in the future will pursue this higher calling. Perhaps earth will be a more peaceful place.
Certainly quieter after the diseases the missionaries transmit to locale populations decimated their numbers.
 
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Certainly quieter after the diseases the missionaries transmit to locale populations decimated their numbers.

They can go to alien planets and make the natives put a loin cloth over their squiggly-spooch.
 
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By selling body parts? They are already paid, quit pretending it was about research. Quit pretending they don't kill babies that come out alive...
I've learned not to believe everything the prolife claims. And don't pretend you truly care about some strangers fetus. If you're not willing to pay for the mess. That happens, when these women are forced to have them. And raised. Planned parenthood is a much needed service. It helped my sister many times.
 
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I've learned not to believe everything the prolife claims. And don't pretend you truly care about some strangers fetus. If you're not willing to pay for the mess. That happens, when these women are forced to have them. And raised. Planned parenthood is a much needed service. It helped my sister many times.
Believe what the planned Parenthood people say themselves when they don't know they are on camera then. It's not "pro-life claims"
It's what they have said them selves..
 
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Better education on contraception use would be a big one...

A substantial portion of women who get abortions do so due to contraception failure due to improper use.

36.7% to be exact.

As would making contraception options either affordable, or no-cost.

However, the "people just need to be abstinent and this won't happen" has proven to be nothing more than drivel for the past 30 years, and hasn't yielded any sort of positive results when looking at the big picture.


The real question to answer, with regards to abortion isn't "how do we stop people from having sex to stop pregnancies?" That's a fantasy...people will continue to have sex, just like people will continue to eat bad food.

The real question is, "How, when a woman is faced with an unplanned pregnancy, do we make her feel like she has options, and can tackle this challenge?"

...and the answer to that question is rather simple, however, many folks in the pro-life camp often choose to back the politicians that miscategorize that answer as "that's evil socialism, and we shouldn't have to pay for that!"

If conservatives in the pro-life camp really want to reduce the number of abortions (which they claim is the goal, right?), they need to back of their position of wanting to have their cake and eat it too. They want to reduce abortions, but they only want to consider the reduction methods that fit neatly into their ideological/religious moral standards. Meaning, they'll oppose social safety nets, they'll oppose taxpayer funded contraception programs, they'll oppose measures that would actually make the most expensive costs associated with parents (IE: education and healthcare) more manageable. They only want to consider "just stop having sex" as a solution.

Contrary to what they think "you just have to suck it up and raise this kid as a single mom on a low income because we don't think you should've had sex in the first place, and this is your penitence for doing so" isn't a very compelling argument...

When pro-life conservatives start becoming more receptive to social safety nets, then I'll believe they want to solve that problem...

Lol where are you getting that 36.7% number from?
 
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By selling body parts? They are already paid, quit pretending it was about research. Quit pretending they don't kill babies that come out alive...
Planned parent hood does cancer screening , HIV testing , give BC ,vasectomy ,tubal ligation. Take care of miscarriages, that don't come out. Donate diapers, cloth and other services, to people that choose to keep their babies. Also their job is to do safe abortion. I really don't pretend to care about fetuses. I don't pretend anything. It's none of our business. I don't care if they send tissue, less than a grape size to do research .
And possible get money.
 
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Lol where are you getting that 36.7% number from?

Reasons given for having abortions in the United States
(all of the citations used are listed at the bottom of the page)

This table:
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...which, references this link as a source
Contraceptive Use Among U.S. Women Having Abortions in 2000-2001


So 53.6% were using contraception, however, the sub-stat shows that "contraceptive failed despite proper use" was only 16.9%. So one can deduce that if 16.9% was failure despite proper use, 36.7% were failure involving improper use.
 
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