The Normalizing Of Bastard Children

Are Bastard children acceptable?

  • Yes, I had some

    Votes: 6 27.3%
  • yes,people can do what that want even if it opposes Gods law

    Votes: 4 18.2%
  • Not sure

    Votes: 6 27.3%
  • No. All my kids are Blessed (Born in wedlock)

    Votes: 1 4.5%
  • No,Gods will is for children to be born in wedlock.

    Votes: 5 22.7%

  • Total voters
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☦Marius☦

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Why is it appalling?

What is appalling?
probably your original implication that I, a bastard, would not be able to attend the assembly because of that. I suppose I wouldn't be elect? The specific verses you posted in OP are specifically for the temple purity system. They would not apply to Christians.
 
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Just food for thought ...

Extreme light can blind ...

Excellent point about Jesus blinding with light.
Jesus never causes people to be blind.

8 Saul got up from the ground, but when he opened his eyes he could see nothing. So they led him by the hand into Damascus. 9 For three days he was blind, and did not eat or drink anything.
 
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Some people might complain about the word Bastard being used but I just want to say this is Gods language so it can never be unclean so please respect that. The problem is Christians have been influenced by the heathens of this world and been persuaded to abandon Gods clean sacred language.

Children born out of wedlock are no different than any
other child that comes from any womb. So you are confused.
Raising a godly family as a single mom - Focus on the Family


Psalms 51
Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me.

Kids are "blessed" if they have married parents to raise the little sinners up straighter.


Romans 5
Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned—

Psalms 58
The wicked are estranged from the womb; they go astray from birth, speaking lies.

Romans 3
For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
 
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The voting is biased. There is no option "As I understand Scripture, they should be accepted as children in wedlock, for no-one has to bear the sin of his parents."

Without this option, I opted for "not sure", which is not what I think about that case. But saying it is OK to disregard Scripture is worse, so this was no option for me.
 
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I recommend using a KJV, it's the only way to get Gods message.
Poor Paul, he did not have a KJV, so he was unaware of God's message.
Or if you think Paul is the wrong person, because he wrote parts of Scripture (though not in the KJV, but in a somewhat different form): Neither Wycliff, Tyndale nor Luther or Calvin had a KJV.
And why the distortion in 1.Jn 5:7-8 (which entered the textus receptus and hence the KJV through a fake manuscript from Ireland) is "God's message" and the original is not, is a complete mystery to me. Same with the "book of life" in Rev 22:19, which stems from the Latin Vulgata, there is no single Greek manuscript which has "book" instead of "tree" ...

EDIT: I used "Jn" instead of "John", for CF did always link into the Gospel, not the letter.
 
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I recommend using a KJV, it's the only way to get Gods message.

What? I thought KJV was most of the least accurate translations. I think only the original Greek texts could be labeled as infallible. There are always translation issues.
 
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The purpose is to find out if forum members think it's acceptable to have bastard children or if they insist on being wed first.
But this is not what you wrote in your question.

I don't think God will reject a person who was born out of wedlock,the law isn't aimed at the child,it's at the parents.
So your question should not be whether "bastards" are acceptable (if they come to Christ, they should be accepted, and before this happens, there is no reason to "reject" them more than any other non-believer). The question is whether it is acceptable to beget a child out of wedlock. It is the act of fathering, not the resulting child, which is not acceptable.

I also find it curious to call the language of 16111 "God's language", it was the translators language. And since language changes, translation need to change to keep the content unchanged. I don't feel that "bastard" is the right word in today's English, but since English is not my mother tongue, I cannot tell it for sure.
 
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Poor Paul, he did not have a KJV, so he was unaware of God's message.
Or if you think Paul is the wrong person, because he wrote parts of Scripture (though not in the KJV, but in a somewhat different form): Neither Wycliff, Tyndale nor Luther or Calvin had a KJV.
And why the distortion in 1.Jn 5:7-8 (which entered the textus receptus and hence the KJV through a fake manuscript from Ireland) is "God's message" and the original is not, is a complete mystery to me. Same with the "book of life" in Rev 22:19, which stems from the Latin Vulgata, there is no single Greek manuscript which has "book" instead of "tree" ...

EDIT: I used "Jn" instead of "John", for CF did always link into the Gospel, not the letter.

What? I thought KJV was most of the least accurate translations. I think only the original Greek texts could be labeled as infallible. There are always translation issues.

Didn't you both know that the KJV was passed down directly from God himself to Adam and Eve as a going away gift upon their ejection from Eden? (You would know this if you actually read the KJV rather than other corrupted translations that removed all of these verses and thus have defiled God's language. Did you know God even sounds like a 17th Century Englishman when he speaks? He even speaks his language too...how exciting!) And you know when people speak in tongues? They are all speaking the "angelic" language of King James English, which is God's language?

The KJV is the best bible because it was there...in the beginning...with God. In fact, just read John 1:1. It's about the KJV!
 
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That said, suppose a woman has a child out of wedlock and later becomes a Christian. I don't think she should be treated with scorn or shame by the community for having that child. Yes, she should have waited to have sex, but in the end, she made a positive choice.
We also shouldn't be surprised to see non-believers being disobedient to God. They don't have the Holy Spirit to guide them, and there are some who don't know or understand God's Word.

So long story short, we shouldn't encourage people to have sex outside of marriage, but we shouldn't treat people differently due to sins that happened before they began following Christ.
I remember the story of a girl raised in a Christian family, who led a double-life: rather devote Christian in the family, but worldly life outside (when not controlled by family or church). Her wild life ended when she got pregnant, and it were her parents who wanted her to undergo abortion, lest the neighbors see her shame.
It was the first honest step in God's way that she resisted her parents openly and bore the child.

In my memory does not betray me, I read it in "Knowing God" by Chuck Colson.
 
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harlot is a Biblical term.
Well, I can't find "harlot" in my German Bible. So I conclude it is no biblical term. ;)

Joking aside: Can you tell me the biblical verses where your translation has "harlot"? In modern English this term primarily denotes a prostitute, but since professional prostitutes practice contraception, most children born out of wedlock have no prostitute as mother.

We should look at the verses, preferably in the original language, and look what the words there mean in today's English. This can be done with the help of modern translations. Only when we find the correct translation into modern English (which might be different to the correct translation into 1611 English) we are allowed to speak of "God's language".
 
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Granted, Rahab the Harlot married Salmon
And since Salmon was the father of Boaz, it is pretty sure Boaz was born in wedlock, when his mother was a harlot no longer.

With Perez, Obed, Boaz (born from a Moabite, and so disqualified to enter the people of God for 10 Generations), and Solomon, we have four "problematic" cases in the genealogy. All four are highlighted by mentioning the mother (other "problematic" cases like Rehoboam are not). In all four cases, we see a woman which gets her way into the genealogy by faith. It is worth to study this in details.
 
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Ok David you answer me this.

If all that your saying is accurate then why did God say in Deuteronomy he doesn't accept bastard children?
Do you mean the verses where he forbid children of Israelite woman and non-Israelite father to enter the assembly of God's people?
This commandment is not only for children out of wedlock, but also for children of mixed marriages.

But what does it say for us today? Certainly it is not binding in its literal sense, since we are "gentile Christians", no part of the Israel according to the flesh. You need a spiritual exegesis to apply it to us.

(As for "Jewish Christians" aka "Messianic Jews", they have to find out what to do with this commandment, I will not try to give any exegesis for them).
 
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Well I think it's very reasonable to judge people based on their behaviour.
It may be "reasonable", but we should not do it. We have to judge the behavior, not not the people who behave that way. God will judge them. Our task is to tell them how they escape God's judgement (through Jesus, of course).
 
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"illegitimate birth" " could have been used. The word you used.. is not the org word used. Just because some translations might have used that word. Its not the best one.

There is this "vine" that has org branches. Of which I know I am not. I am grafted into the vine. Where I came from matters not. I am grafted in as if I was org of the vine
Don't understand "org".
 
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It's an option but I take issue with it.

I only trust the KJV so I go with that. To be honest if Gods language sounds unclean in your mind I would say you're the one with the problem not me for writing bastard child which is Biblical. The heathens have convinced you Gods word is dirty.

A pity.
You just sound like a bitter, mean person who uses religion as an excuse to be mean. Note that pretty much everyone here sees right through that. Using God’s word to satisfy your own selfish desire to hurt people is far worse than having a child out of wedlock IMO.
 
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Didn't you both know that the KJV was passed down directly from God himself to Adam and Eve as a going away gift upon their ejection from Eden? (You would know this if you actually read the KJV rather than other corrupted translations that removed all of these verses and thus have defiled God's language. Did you know God even sounds like a 17th Century Englishman when he speaks? He even speaks his language too...how exciting!) And you know when people speak in tongues? They are all speaking the "angelic" language of King James English, which is God's language?

The KJV is the best bible because it was there...in the beginning...with God. In fact, just read John 1:1. It's about the KJV!

No, but I did know that Christ spoke 17th century English.
 
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Especially when it came to women.
Which advice do you have in mind? That men and women are equal to God? That relationships in marriage are symmetrical, on equal level? That the obedience of women to their husbands is part of mutual obedience (a point where some translations are rather misleading!)?
Paul had nor problems to call Junia and her husband "apostles", or to give honor to Priska and her husband. I suppose it is the exegesis of Paul, not the real Paul, you are discontent with.

EDIT: Corrected a mistyping which distorted the sense.
 
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