The Normalizing Of Bastard Children

Are Bastard children acceptable?

  • Yes, I had some

    Votes: 6 27.3%
  • yes,people can do what that want even if it opposes Gods law

    Votes: 4 18.2%
  • Not sure

    Votes: 6 27.3%
  • No. All my kids are Blessed (Born in wedlock)

    Votes: 1 4.5%
  • No,Gods will is for children to be born in wedlock.

    Votes: 5 22.7%

  • Total voters
    22
  • Poll closed .

CharismaticLady

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Why would it mention abortion ?

1 Corinthians 7:14 - For the unbelieving husband has been ...
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Corinthians+7:14
1 Corinthians 7:14 New International Version (NIV) 14 For the unbelieving husband has been sanctified through his wife, and the unbelieving wife has been sanctified through her believing husband. Otherwise your children would be unclean, but as it is, they are holy.

You're right. I thought about it after I posted it and these guys are married, so it wouldn't be fornication. So it is a verse on bastards. But if an aborted or miscarried bastard's parents get saved after the fornication, what happens to the embryo?
 
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The wording of the poll would be tricky no matter what I put but yeah maybe it could have been worded better. Maybe people instead of being angry could show the fruit of the sprit-temperance. Thanks for the feed back though and not shouting.

To be honest I just saw your post making excuses for fornication. Like better children to be born than aborted, yes of course but if you do have a "unplanned pregnancy" and Mr E disappears never seen to again after you both had your fun,don't complain if get the title of harlot and the child a bastard.

It's only right because you did it to yourself. Amen?
God casts our sins as far as the east is from the west. If we choose to identify other Christians by their sin (or by their parents' sin) instead of as our brothers and sisters in Christ, what kind of example to the world are we setting of who God is? What kind of example is that to young believers, or to our children, of who God is?
And for unwed parents outside the Church, as Christians, we're also examples to the world of the character of Christ. We represent Him. If we call a single mother a harlot (whether she is a Christian or not), what kind of person are we saying that Christ is? Christ wouldn't condone her fornication (indeed, He would call her to repentance). But seeing as Christ protected an adulterous woman from being stoned to death I don't think would call such a woman a harlot.

I wasn't condoning fornication, adultery, or what have you. Our sinful nature is not an excuse, but it is an explanation. We live in a fallen world. We shouldn't turn a blind eye, but we shouldn't be shocked when people sin.

Furthermore, Christians should look at non-Christians with compassion. Without God's grace, we may very well be in the same boat as them. We should also look at our siblings in Christ with compassion, regardless of who they were or what they did before they knew Christ, because who they were is not who they are now. Christ gave them a new identity, so we should treat them accordingly.
 
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God casts our sins as far as the east is from the west. If we choose to identify other Christians by their sin (or by their parents' sin) instead of as our brothers and sisters in Christ, what kind of example to the world are we setting of who God is? What kind of example is that to young believers, or to our children, of who God is?
And for unwed parents outside the Church, as Christians, we're also examples to the world of the character of Christ. We represent Him. If we call a single mother a harlot (whether she is a Christian or not), what kind of person are we saying that Christ is? Christ wouldn't condone her fornication (indeed, He would call her to repentance). But seeing as Christ protected an adulterous woman from being stoned to death I don't think would call such a woman a harlot.

I wasn't condoning fornication, adultery, or what have you. Our sinful nature is not an excuse, but it is an explanation. We live in a fallen world. We shouldn't turn a blind eye, but we shouldn't be shocked when people sin.

Furthermore, Christians should look at non-Christians with compassion. Without God's grace, we may very well be in the same boat as them. We should also look at our siblings in Christ with compassion, regardless of who they were or what they did before they knew Christ, because who they were is not who they are now. Christ gave them a new identity, so we should treat them accordingly.


Well I think it's very reasonable to judge people based on their behaviour. That's what God will do and it's fair,if a person feels shame for what they do.....don't do it.

Yeah we can have grace but don't pretend that the rebuke is the problem,because it's only the highlighter to the problem.
 
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"illegitimate birth" " could have been used. The word you used.. is not the org word used. Just because some translations might have used that word. Its not the best one.

There is this "vine" that has org branches. Of which I know I am not. I am grafted into the vine. Where I came from matters not. I am grafted in as if I was org of the vine
 
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I was a teenager when I found out that my father had been divorced, and his first wife remained single for the rest of her life. So even though my parents married, I may have been born a bastard. (Marriage while the first spouse lives, is adultery) But I know I am saved and filled with His Spirit.
 
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"illegitimate birth" " could have been used. The word you used.. is not the org word used. Just because some translations might have used that word. Its not the best one.

There is this "vine" that has org branches. Of which I know I am not. I am grafted into the vine. Where I came from matters not. I am grafted in as if I was org of the vine

It's an option but I take issue with it.

I only trust the KJV so I go with that. To be honest if Gods language sounds unclean in your mind I would say you're the one with the problem not me for writing bastard child which is Biblical. The heathens have convinced you Gods word is dirty.

A pity.
 
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if you do have a "unplanned pregnancy" and Mr E disappears never seen to again after you both had your fun,don't complain if get the title of harlot and the child a bastard.

It's only right because you did it to yourself. Amen?

This sounds rather harsh. Not amen in many cases. Preditors abound and often the female is targeted. Sometimes even the reverse occurs. I suspect you would have stoned the adulterer.
 
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This sounds rather harsh. Not amen in many cases. Preditors abound and often the female is targeted. Sometimes even the reverse occurs. I suspect you would have stoned the adulterer.

and @Daniel C

It is what it is. To white wash what God calls abominable is like trying to spray perfume on a pile of dung.
 
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This sounds rather harsh. Not amen in many cases. Preditors abound and often the female is targeted. Sometimes even the reverse occurs. I suspect you would have stoned the adulterer.


Let's be realistic, the death penalty for adultery will never return. We can manage our affairs better with planning to live better lives for ourselves but more importantly by our children and get that blessing from God for doing his will.

As for the fornication I think women are just as game as men, that's my view.
 
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I didn't vote because I didn't understand the question. What does it mean if a child is unclean? Anyhow I came to think of this:

John
9:1 As He passed by, He saw a man blind from birth. 2 And His disciples asked Him, “Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he would be born blind?” 3 Jesus answered, “It was neither that this man sinned, nor his parents; but it was so that the works of God might be displayed in him.
 
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Ok David you answer me this.

If all that your saying is accurate then why did God say in Deuteronomy he doesn't accept bastard children?
Hi again Daniel, if you look at Deuteronomy 23:1-3 in context, you would have to add, Ruth the Moabitess, to the list of those who should not be part of the Messianic line .. see Deuteronomy 23:3, if we were to go by Deuteronomy's out-of-context exclusions alone.

There is also this to consider from the OT. The word of the Lord, given to us through Isaiah the Prophet, shows us God's gracious intentions where Deuteronomy 23's exclusion of certain people from the religious assembly & life of Israel is concerned. Take special note of what God says about such people in v5 below, both of His choice to accept them, as well what He will do for them, all such "excluded" people who have come to personal faith in Him, that is :amen:

Isaiah 56
1 Thus says the LORD,
“Preserve justice and do righteousness,
For My salvation is about to come
And My righteousness to be revealed.
2 “How blessed is the man who does this,
And the son of man who takes hold of it;
Who keeps from profaning the sabbath,
And keeps his hand from doing any evil.”
3 Let not the foreigner who has joined himself to the LORD say,
“The LORD will surely separate me from His people.”
Nor let the eunuch say, “Behold, I am a dry tree.”
4 For thus says the LORD,
“To the eunuchs who keep My sabbaths,
And choose what pleases Me,
And hold fast My covenant,
5 To them I will give in My house and within My walls a memorial,
And a name better than that of sons and daughters;
I will give them an everlasting name which will not be cut off.
6 “Also the foreigners who join themselves to the LORD,
To minister to Him, and to love the name of the LORD,
To be His servants, every one who keeps from profaning the sabbath
And holds fast My covenant;
7 Even those I will bring to My holy mountain
And make them joyful in My house of prayer.
Their burnt offerings and their sacrifices will be acceptable on My altar;
For My house will be called a house of prayer for all the peoples.”
8 The Lord GOD, who gathers the dispersed of Israel, declares,
“Yet others I will gather to them, to those already gathered.”

Perhaps heading back to Deuteronomy 23 at this point and taking a deeper look into what was said and why (concerning the laws of exclusion from religious assembly) is in order, because the passage above from Isaiah, and the Messianic line itself, both seem to indicate (to me, at least) that there is far more going on there than a cursory reading/understanding of that passage at "face value" (if you will) can tell us, don't you think?

I will do so myself (and get back to you if I discover something worth sharing) as I believe that you have brought up an interesting Biblical topic that is important for us to consider :oldthumbsup::oldthumbsup: (because neither should we find Deuteronomy 23's laws of exclusion to be w/o merit ... because we don't like what they say or because they seem so out-of-place in our modern world, etc. ... w/o first understanding why the exclusions were put in place by God to begin with :preach:).

--David
p.s. - as an aside, I believe it was your provocative title that generated more "action" on this thread than you may have otherwise expected ;)
 
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I still have this question: What does it mean that a child is unclean? Does anyone know?

In the NT, I would say "unsaved." At least that is how I've read 1 Cor. 7:14. It would be the same with sin. If a Christian commits willful sin, they are a slave to sin, and will not inherit the Kingdom of God. A child of God is one whose desire to sin has been taken away by Christ with being reborn and partakers of the divine nature. We must endure to the end.
 
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I still have this question: What does it mean that a child is unclean? Does anyone know?

Unspiritual. At least, the expectation is that they will be raised without spiritual aspect to their lives. Without Christ is to be truly unspiritual.
 
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i think i read someplace in the Bible that God frowns upon the institution of marriage but will allow it with certain rules attached. which makes me wonder if God prefers humans to have children out of wedlock. i'd hate to think that's it but i do wonder.
 
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The hypocrisy stinks in this one . You want to abuse the mother by forcing her to give birth even if she doesn’t want the pregnancy. But you then want to abuse the child for being born .
 
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In the NT, I would say "unsaved." At least that is how I've read 1 Cor. 7:14. It would be the same with sin. If a Christian commits willful sin, they are a slave to sin, and will not inherit the Kingdom of God. A child of God is one whose desire to sin has been taken away by Christ with being reborn and partakers of the divine nature. We must endure to the end.

Then a child born in a Christian marriage is automatically saved, but not so if born outside of marriage?
 
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