Artificial sweeteners

Lady Bug · Jul 25, 2019

Dave-W said:
I get plain unflavored yogurt (chiobani greek style) and add about half a pack of Stevia to it.

As to the syrup, I have not tried this but found it on the web:

https://sweetleaf.com/stevia_products/sweetleaf-stevia-syrup/

Do your packs contain erythritol in them? All the packs I've seen have that ingredient, but I was worried whether or not my appetite would be increased by it.

I saw sweetleaf in the store - I didn't know what to make of "inulin," I was on the edge of getting that one. I like that website though - they even got Stevia syrup lol.

For me, it feels almost too good to be true that Stevia doesn't bother me lol...a natural sweetener not bothering me? lol...

Dave-W · Jul 25, 2019

Lady Bug said:
Do your packs contain erythritol in them?

The Wegmans organic does not say (i only have the packs here at work and they are not individually labeled) The Whole Earth ones have it as the first ingredient.

Lady Bug said:
For me, it feels almost too good to be true that Stevia doesn't bother me lol...a natural sweetener not bothering me? lol...

There is another one made from Monk Fruit. You might check that out as well.

Monk Fruit Sweetener: Good or Bad?

Dave-W · Jul 25, 2019

Lady Bug said:
I didn't know what to make of "inulin,"

Inulin: Uses, Side Effects, Interactions, Dosage, and Warning

Lady Bug · Oct 4, 2019

Is it possible that Stevia may not bother your appetite for almost a year, but then cause an increase in your appetite all of a sudden? I have to be mindful of the fact that it's my cycle and I could be ravenous because of that. Ten days beforehand I get these symptoms.

Knee V · Nov 9, 2019

I don't trust that any artificial sweetener or sugar substitute is meaningfully safer or better than sugar.

I have always had a massive sweet tooth, and I have looked for good sugar substitutes, and I have since taken a different route.

We don't need sugar, and we don't actually crave it. Rather, we crave the dopamine reward that eating sugar gives us. The reason that we get a dopamine reward when we eat sugar is because there is something that we are craving, and we trick our brain into thinking that sugar is satisfying that craving. What we are actually craving is salt. When we crave sugar (or when we think we crave sugar), we are in a salt-deprived condition. If we would eat salt, we would get a dopamine reward as a result and feel better. However, sugar tricks our brain as it gives the exact same dopamine reward. As a result, we "feel better", but we haven't actually fixed the problem. And since we haven't fixed the problem, we get another craving. Then we eat more sugar, get the dopamine, feel better, and then the cycle repeats ad infinitum.

What I have begun to do as a result is to understand that I don't need anything sweet and to eat a salted fatty food when I get a sugar craving. Now when I get that same craving, my mind immediately goes to a salted piece of fatty steak, and not a Reese's or a Kit-Kat. I know that the salt and fat (particularly the salt) will actually satisfy the craving and keep it from coming back right away, and so I do that. Very often I'll suck on some sea salt rocks or grind some sea salt and swallow it down with a glass of water. It always makes me feel better.

In a nutshell, it is probably better to just stop looking for sweeteners and simply eat what we're actually craving.

Joyous Song · Nov 13, 2020

Lady Bug said:
Yeah I guess I'll definitely look for things with Stevia in it. So far it's to no avail unless I buy Stevia separately. Splenda (Sucralose) seems pervasively in most of these no-sugar-added foods. I don't know what to do with those 18 Splenda-including yogurts I have in the basement though lol.

This is a gluten free cookbook but it mostly grain free, low carb and uses Stevia extensively. Hope it helps.

morse86 · Nov 17, 2020

Eat whole foods, meat, and exercise. Don't get foods that imitate the opposite...example: pancakes on a low carb diet. Even if using almond flour, it seems unnatural because you cannot really make a "flour" using almonds.

In the bible, a lot of people went soul winning many times through the week (in addition to their daily activities)...that involved a lot of walking...I'd estimate most people did 10-20 thousand steps (5-8 miles). They probably could afford to eat a lot of carbs like wheat, rice, and potatoes along with fat.

The problem today I think is many fold. Easily scratched non stick pans (all nonstick pans, ALL nonstick pans are easily scratched regardless of their marketing) and aluminum rice cookers and plastic instapots all affect ing hormones, that might also have something to do with obesity. Pesticides, environment toxicity, not enough activity, processed food, more availability of food.

Reduce the amount of garbage youtube and TeLIEvision you're watching. There is a Pizza Hut/Dominies/Papa Johns/Garbage commercial every few minutes. These channels are all owned by a few corporations and they use the best psychologists in the world to fool you.

Joyous Song · Nov 20, 2020

morse86, post: Eat whole foods, meat, and exercise. Don't get foods that imitate the opposite...example: pancakes on a low carb diet. Even if using almond flour, it seems unnatural because you cannot really make a "flour" using almonds.

JS: Diet with exercise are the only way to really loose weight and inactive people can find gains with just a little exercise though this will have to grow for gains to continue. As for almond flour it is a flour, for those unable to eat grains which I could not for a year and I do make many yeast-less breads with it. It very low in digestible carbs and can be combined with oat flour or sorghum flour or even rice flour for greater fiber if your not on the grain free diet. Adding rice flour means you can raise the bread with yeast but these breads can be doughy.

My cook book explains weights of different flours so recipes can be easily modified if one is seeking more fiber. I still trying to make a really good gluten free yeast raised bread but that still under works.

morse86, post: Reduce the amount of garbage you tube and Television you're watching. There is a Pizza Hut/Dominies/Papa Johns/Garbage commercial every few minutes. These channels are all owned by a few corporations and they use the best psychologists in the world to fool you.

All true, reading ingredients and learning the codes manufacturers use to hide sugar and fat is also important as well as going to the store always alone, with a list and full if your fat and hungry if your thin. There are other tricks. but adding part or all almond flour to make breads and learning to consume stevia instead of artificial sweeteners or sugars also can help.

Stevia has a slight after taste which is why many of my recipes include honey to remove this. In time you can reduce that honey till you no longer taste that bitter after taste. I don't, but I haven't tasted sugar outside of food in years.

JimR-OCDS · May 5, 2023

I read recently that artificial sweeteners in drinks like Coke Zero, which I'm addicted to,
can cause a small spike in glucose.

I asked my doctor about it, because I wasn't getting out of the 130's for my glucose.
Sure enough, he said that there is evidence this could happen. However, the alternative,
would be worse.

tturt · May 8, 2023

In the news artifical sweeteners can cause increased risks of heart attacks and negative findings on Stevia as well.

But sugar - well everyone knows about it.

EclipseEventSigns · May 9, 2023

Sugar substitutes is a confusing topic. There is much evidence that most of the chemical based ones are very unhealthy (aspartame, sacharin). I steer clear of these at all times.

Then there is Splenda (sucralose). It had very good studies behind it. But as it gained popularity some people reported health problems. There are some studies that say it interferes with normal gut bacteria. They usually say it is from the chlorine that is part of the chemical structure of sucralose. However, that is just plain wrong. Otherwise, the same thing would happen with salt - which is made up of sodium and chlorine (NaCl). I like Splenda very much and it doesn't affect me at all.

Then there are all the sugar alcohols. Maltitol, erythritol, xylitol. They are still carbs - but much less. And they don't get absorbed by the body but get fermented in the large intestine. And that's their biggest problem. They can cause gas and cramping for a lot of people. Again I avoid these too. But it's not as big a deal as long as I'm prepared for the side effects.

More recently there are ones based on plants. Stevia. Monk fruit. I do like stevia very much and don't react to it. But I have to put up with the bitter aftertaste. Monk fruit gives me an upset stomach so I stay away from it.

There are going to be people who have problems with everything. A lot of that has to do with combating cravings and the addiction to sugary sweetness in general. The body can react to sweet taste as if actual sugar has been consumed. So insulin levels can increase even though there are no carbs present. That can torpedo a non-sugar diet very quickly. In general, if someone wants to lower sugar intake by reducing carbs, all things sweet need to be reduced. That means to not just replace sugar with artificial sweeteners. And keep in mind that eating more fruit is not the answer either as the body doesn't care whether sweet is coming from processed sugar or natural sugars.

This is not really the topic but I think the biggest thing is not necessarily the sweetener or even sugar that is the main issue. But it is how and when it is eaten. Intermittent fasting (a shorter window of eating during the day) is probably one of the best methods of controlling the body's intake of carbs and the resulting insulin levels and ultimately how fat is handled.

timewerx · May 9, 2023

EclipseEventSigns said:
Sugar substitutes is a confusing topic. There is much evidence that most of the chemical based ones are very unhealthy (aspartame, sacharin). I steer clear of these at all times.

Then there is Splenda (sucralose). It had very good studies behind it. But as it gained popularity some people reported health problems. There are some studies that say it interferes with normal gut bacteria. They usually say it is from the chlorine that is part of the chemical structure of sucralose. However, that is just plain wrong. Otherwise, the same thing would happen with salt - which is made up of sodium and chlorine (NaCl). I like Splenda very much and it doesn't affect me at all.

Then there are all the sugar alcohols. Maltitol, erythritol, xylitol. They are still carbs - but much less. And they don't get absorbed by the body but get fermented in the large intestine. And that's their biggest problem. They can cause gas and cramping for a lot of people. Again I avoid these too. But it's not as big a deal as long as I'm prepared for the side effects.

More recently there are ones based on plants. Stevia. Monk fruit. I do like stevia very much and don't react to it. But I have to put up with the bitter aftertaste. Monk fruit gives me an upset stomach so I stay away from it.

There are going to be people who have problems with everything. A lot of that has to do with combating cravings and the addiction to sugary sweetness in general. The body can react to sweet taste as if actual sugar has been consumed. So insulin levels can increase even though there are no carbs present. That can torpedo a non-sugar diet very quickly. In general, if someone wants to lower sugar intake by reducing carbs, all things sweet need to be reduced. That means to not just replace sugar with artificial sweeteners. And keep in mind that eating more fruit is not the answer either as the body doesn't care whether sweet is coming from processed sugar or natural sugars.

This is not really the topic but I think the biggest thing is not necessarily the sweetener or even sugar that is the main issue. But it is how and when it is eaten. Intermittent fasting (a shorter window of eating during the day) is probably one of the best methods of controlling the body's intake of carbs and the resulting insulin levels and ultimately how fat is handled.

Sweeteners of any kind stimulates the pleasure centers of the brain. That part alone makes it a problem. It makes us want to indulge and nothing good can ever come out of indulgence. Indulgence is just so bad even science sees it as a problem too.

EclipseEventSigns · May 9, 2023

Actually, no. It's only a problem for those who are weak-willed and have a problem with self-control. Everything in moderation. Just as with everything in life.

timewerx · May 9, 2023

EclipseEventSigns said:
Actually, no. It's only a problem for those who are weak-willed and have a problem with self-control. Everything in moderation. Just as with everything in life.

Most people are weak willed so I won't recommend any kind of sweeteners at all.

Why more people getting obese these days is the much greater attention people do to make their foods more pleasurable to eat, fueled in no small part by internet and TV ads and online cooking and baking videos.

Many of these online videos promote healthy foods, low carbs or low glycemic, and even meat-free alternatives and yet more people are getting fatter.

It's the pleasure-centric attention everyone is giving to food these days. Sweeteners are a big part of it.

For most people, they don't just need discipline, they really need to make their foods less pleasurable to eat so they eat less. Less flavors, less spices, less sweets AND STOP watching online videos about food! Perhaps, even stop watching TV shows to avoid seeing food ads!

EclipseEventSigns · May 9, 2023

timewerx said:
Most people are weak willed so I won't recommend any kind of sweeteners at all.

Why more people getting obese these days is the much greater attention people do to make their foods more pleasurable to eat, fueled in no small part by internet and TV ads and online cooking and baking videos.

Many of these online videos promote healthy foods, low carbs or low glycemic, and even meat-free alternatives and yet more people are getting fatter.

It's the pleasure-centric attention everyone is giving to food these days. Sweeteners are a big part of it.

For most people, they don't just need discipline, they really need to make their foods less pleasurable to eat so they eat less. Less flavors, less spices, less sweets AND STOP watching online videos about food! Perhaps, even stop watching TV shows to avoid seeing food ads!

According to you people should stop enjoying food altogether. That's not the answer. Again. Everything in moderation. That is the secret.

timewerx · May 9, 2023

EclipseEventSigns said:
According to you people should stop enjoying food altogether. That's not the answer. Again. Everything in moderation. That is the secret.

Moderation is what everybody says, even the doctors.

And yet, obesity rates is growing at an alarming rate these last few decades and seems to coincide with the rise of social media and popularity of online videos. People are finding it much easier to get ideas to get more pleasure from eating as well as share their ideas with other people.

It's the attention to pleasure in food that's driving obesity rates up.

EclipseEventSigns · May 9, 2023

timewerx said:
Moderation is what everybody says, even the doctors.

And yet, obesity rates is growing at an alarming rate these last few decades and seems to coincide with the rise of social media and popularity of online videos. People are finding it much easier to get ideas to get more pleasure from eating as well as share their ideas with other people.

It's the attention to pleasure in food that's driving obesity rates up.

Again, no. The access to proper nutrition. The cost of proper nutrition. The education about proper nutrition. Those are the actual reasons for obesity rates. Has almost nothing to do with pleasure.

timewerx · May 10, 2023

EclipseEventSigns said:
Again, no. The access to proper nutrition. The cost of proper nutrition. The education about proper nutrition. Those are the actual reasons for obesity rates. Has almost nothing to do with pleasure.

If you're saying the cost of healthy living is significantly more expensive, then the problem is bigger than I thought. That would turn it into a social / moral issue.

tturt · Jun 1, 2023

According to a news medical net headline- a chemical found in a sweetener breaks up our DNA

trophy33 · Jun 1, 2023

Substituting sugar for another sweetener is really not the ultimate goal.

The ultimate goal is to get rid of the dependence on the intensive sweet taste. Fruit should be the only sweet taste you will get, in moderation. The rest is not natural and what is not natural, creates metabolic problems.

Which does not mean that some sweeteners are not healthier than sugar or than other sweeteners, but they are just a tool for a change, not the goal.

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