Who gets cast into the everlasting lake of fire?

In regards to the topic of this thread I will quote from the following article:



Article Source:
https://www.christian-faith.com/scriptures-warning-christians-of-eternal-peril/
(Please keep in mind that agree with the portion of words I quoted here, and that does not mean I agree with the exact wording of the rest of their article or in other things that they have written).

BNR32FAN said:

Where is this in scripture? I’m guessing this is a misunderstanding of John 6:37-40? Is that correct?

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"Let all who have ears give heed to what the Spirit is saying to the Churches. To him who overcomes I will give the privilege of eating the fruit of the Tree of Life, which is in the Paradise of God."

So that, 'they may be ever seeing but never perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding; otherwise they might turn and be forgiven.'"

"Hear this, O foolish and senseless people, who have eyes but do not see, who have ears but do not hear."

"Bring out a people who have eyes but are blind, and who have ears but are deaf."

“Are your ears awake? Listen. Listen to the Wind Words, the Spirit blowing through the churches. I’m about to call each conqueror to dinner. I’m spreading a banquet of Tree-of-Life fruit, a supper plucked from God’s orchard.”

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No more let sins and sorrows grow,
nor thorns infest the ground;
he comes to make his blessings flow
far as the curse is found,
far as the curse is found,
far as, far as the curse is found. -Isaac Watts-

Curse= katanathema=

By metonymy: accursed thing put to the thing announced.

"The leaves of the Tree are for healing the nations. Never again will anything be cursed. The Throne of God and of the Lamb is at the center. His servants will offer God service—worshiping, they’ll look on his face, their foreheads mirroring God. Never again will there be any night. No one will need lamplight or sunlight. The shining of God, the Master, is all the light anyone needs. And they will rule with him age after age after age." -The Message-

Don’t let anyone scare you by using Hebrews 10:26. Hebrews is all about Israel, it’s not about you.

Hebrews 3:6 But Christ as a son over his own house; who’s house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end.

Hebrews 3:14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast unto the end;

Notice the timeline - Unto the end

The same timeline that’s in Matthew 10:22. Endure to the end. Is that our doctrine? Just a few verses earlier Jesus told the disciples to stay away from us. Go not into the way of the Gentiles (Matthew 10:5).

It’s the same timeline in the early part of Acts. Peter is speaking to Israel. Acts 3:12 Ye men of Israel.

Acts 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the LORD.

So Israel will have their sins blotted out at the second coming (When the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the LORD).

Our sins are forgiven now, not blotted out at the second coming.

Romans 5:8-11 But God commanded his love toward us in that while we were sinners, Christ died for us. Much more than, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. For if when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life. And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ by whom we have now received the atonement.

Israel - sins blotted out at the second coming.

The church the body of Christ - justified now. Have already received the atonement.

Read the early part of Hebrews chapter 10. The writer of Hebrews is warning Israel (not us) not to go back to sacrifices of bulls and goats, but to trust Christ. This is doctrine for Israel during the tribulation.

FineLinen said:

“Millions choose evil; may they not always choose it? The reply is that this is the sinner’s will arrayed in battle against the Divine will. One must ultimately yield. I expect it will not be God. God will not coerce the sinner’s will by force. He faces it as a consuming fire, and the day comes when the sinner sinks down beaten and cries out: ‘God I yield.’ Terrible is God against sin, foolish the soul that contests against Him…the sinner is one who has courage to enter a contest of his will against God’s will. My orthodox friends tremble for God. I do not. I exhort them to 'have faith in God.” -P.T. Barnum-

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Notice the source here - totally contrary to God, totally opposed to Scripture, violating abominably the truth to try to get people to believe his lying heresy and likely result in more souls headed to destruction (if they think they can repent later after this life).

Thus, with a FALSE PREMISE such as this one, we can see clearly why linen continues in error - with a FALSE PREMISE so contrary to all Scripture, it is/was necessary to reject Jesus to remain so far outside of and always opposed to His Word .

Bible Highlighter said:

In regards to the topic of this thread I will quote from the following article:

“If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God.” (Hebrews 10:26-27 NIV)

Notice that this Scripture was not written to the world, but to Christians. It does not say, “If THEY [the people outside of Christ] keep on sinning …” but “If WE [the believers/Christians] deliberately keep on sinning AFTER receiving a knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins remains, but only a fearful expectation of judgment and raging fire that will consume the enemies of God”.​

Article Source:
https://www.christian-faith.com/scriptures-warning-christians-of-eternal-peril/
(Please keep in mind that agree with the portion of words I quoted here, and that does not mean I agree with the exact wording of the rest of their article or in other things that they have written).

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Wow! I wonder why damnation is not used in this passage (IOW) krima rather then krisis?

WHY?

Wondering why without seeking the truth, without abiding in Jesus, without seeking Yahuweh's Kingdom,
wondering why while opposing the truth, while opposing Scripture, while opposing Yahuweh's Kingdom,
will not lead to knowing why.

Only when the Father in heaven grants the understanding, will it be known. As He Says, As this is His Good Pleasure So To Do.

FineLinen said:

Wow! I wonder why damnation is not used in this passage (IOW) krima rather then krisis?

WHY?

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I am not into messing around with a dead language that nobody knows. I prefer discussions with the Bible to be based on the English language (Which is a language that nobody can fudge or mess with towards their own ends without it raising the alarm bells to those who are literate or educated in basic reading and grammar).

That said, I am still not interested in having any kind of debate involving Universalism at this time. For me, it is like trying to convince somebody there is no oxygen or air. Such a thing is silly to even debate - IMO. No offense or anything. I just do not debate odd or rare beliefs that are obviously unbiblical, in my view.

Bible Highlighter said:

I am not into messing around with a dead language that nobody knows. I prefer discussions with the Bible to be based on the English language (Which is a language that nobody can fudge or mess with towards their own ends without it raising the alarm bells to those who are literate or educated in basic reading and grammar).

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Dear B.H.: Never "mess around" with the dead language of koine upon which our English translations (plural) must rest their case. Yup, nobody can mess or fudge their foundation, NOBODY!

dianoigō = to open thoroughly what had been closed.

Then opened He their understanding to understand the Scriptures

Deut. 4:24 For the LORD thy God is a consuming fire, even a jealous God.

Deut. 9:3 Understand therefore this day, that the LORD thy God is he which goeth over before thee; as a consuming fire he shall destroy them, and he shall bring them down before thy face: so shalt thou drive them out, and destroy them quickly, as the LORD hath said unto thee.

It is not the wicked that will be dwelling in the devouring fire:

Isa 33:14 The sinners in Zion are afraid; fearfulness hath surprised the hypocrites. Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire? who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings?

Isa 33:15 He that walketh righteously, and speaketh uprightly; he that despiseth the gain of oppressions, that shaketh his hands from holding of bribes, that stoppeth his ears from hearing of blood, and shutteth his eyes from seeing evil.

Like Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego; We will be able to stand in the presence of a Holy God and not be destroyed:

Dan 3:25 He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.

Bible Highlighter said:

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<BH>I am not into messing around with a dead language that nobody knows. I prefer discussions with the Bible to be based on the English language (Which is a language that nobody can fudge or mess with towards their own ends without it raising the alarm bells to those who are literate or educated in basic reading and grammar).
That said, I am still not interested in having any kind of debate involving Universalism at this time. For me, it is like trying to convince somebody there is no oxygen or air. Such a thing is silly to even debate - IMO. No offense or anything. I just do not debate odd or rare beliefs that are obviously unbiblical, in my view.<BH>

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Which "dead languages" are you talking about? Neither Hebrew nor Greek are or have ever been dead languages. Even when they were exiled out of their land the language of the Jews was and remains Hebrew. From long before the N.T. until the present day, Greek was and is the language of the Greeks.
Which English version do you accept as the most correct of all the versions? On what do you base your selection of whichever version you use?
As for not debating Universalism, or any other heterodox belief system. Suppose there are people at this forum who belong to such a group and are considering leaving or someone is curious about such a group, perhaps considering joining one should Christians just ignore them or should we obey 1 Pet 3;15.

Der Alter said:

<BH>I am not into messing around with a dead language that nobody knows. I prefer discussions with the Bible to be based on the English language (Which is a language that nobody can fudge or mess with towards their own ends without it raising the alarm bells to those who are literate or educated in basic reading and grammar).
That said, I am still not interested in having any kind of debate involving Universalism at this time. For me, it is like trying to convince somebody there is no oxygen or air. Such a thing is silly to even debate - IMO. No offense or anything. I just do not debate odd or rare beliefs that are obviously unbiblical, in my view.<BH>
Which "dead languages" are you talking about? Neither Hebrew nor Greek are or have ever been dead languages. Even when they were exiled out of their land the language of the Jews was and remains Hebrew. From long before the N.T. until the present day, Greek was and is the language of the Greeks.
Which English version do you accept as the most correct of all the versions? On what do you base your selection of whichever version you use?
As for not debating Universalism, or any other heterodox belief system. Suppose there are people at this forum who belong to such a group and are considering leaving or someone is curious about such a group, perhaps considering joining one should Christians just ignore them or should we obey 1 Pet 3;15.

1 Peter 3:15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:​

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Are you honestly looking for an answer, or are you out to prove your own belief on this matter? I don't mind giving an explanation, but you have to be open to it - IMO.


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Please take note that I am not against original languages studies done by others, but their studies have to be in line with what the English says. Kerrigan Skelly is one person in whom I respect on this. I don't mind his use of referring to the original language because he is not saying that the English word is in error and means something entirely different than what it says. He also still defending the English, too. Why? Because GOD preserved His Word for today.

FineLinen said:

If man does wrong in returning evil for evil, would not God do wrong if He was to do the sam

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Brother F.L.,

Is it not in the repayment of evil with good that fiery punishment takes place?

Are we not rewarded for recompensing the sin by heaping hot coals of the good upon the sinner's head?

Will the Spirit who offers water to anyone who is thirsty deny his enemy a drink?

Does the stream that flows from the temple and swells into a mighty river through the desert bring all things to life when it pours into the Dead Sea?

Does the stream of fire from the throne feed the lake outside the ever-open gates of the City of God?

Do the nations not emerge from the lake purified and enter the City to be healed by the leaves of the tree of life?

Are we shown that as many as suffer the baptism of holy fire are saved as through that fire?

BNR32FAN said:

The Bible does tell us who will burn in the lake of fire. Those who do not repent and do not abide in Christ will burn in the lake of fire.

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Not even close, BNR!

Review time:

1. The cowardly.

2. The unbelieving {unbelieving believers included}.

3. The vile.

4. Murderers.

5. Sexually immoral.

6. Those practicing the magic arts.

7. Idolaters.

8. ALL liars.

Welcome to the Lake of Theion!

yeshuaslavejeff said:

Wondering why without seeking the truth, without abiding in Jesus, without seeking Yahuweh's Kingdom,
wondering why while opposing the truth, while opposing Scripture, while opposing Yahuweh's Kingdom,
will not lead to knowing why.

Only when the Father in heaven grants the understanding, will it be known. As He Says, As this is His Good Pleasure So To Do.

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Jeff,

Do you hope and pray for the salvation of all?

Do you believe in the total victory of Jesus Christ?

Do you believe that the nations will see salvation, walk by heaven's light, and receive healing from the leaves of the tree of life?

If not, you're perishing in unbelief. If so, welcome to the truth, you're a universalist.

Let Jesus free you from your heavy-laden shackles. His yoke is light. Alleluja!

FineLinen said:

2. The unbelieving {unbelieving believers included}.

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Can I be a true believer, if I deny the power of God to deliver on His promises to save all of creation?

Shrewd Manager said:

Can I be a true believer, if I deny the power of God to deliver on His promises to save all of creation?

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My friend from down under: we all are unbelievers in various degrees. Until our poor blind eyes are opened, and deaf ears unstopped, we wander around in lostness & dire need of The Healer.

Our Father, the Father of all fathers, has a cherished purpose. That purpose is in His beloved Son, the Lord Iésous, in whom and thru whom the all (ta panta) is consummated.

By Himself He swears: I will do ALL My pleasure

Bible Highlighter said:

Side Note:

Please take note that I am not against original languages studies done by others

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Actually, it may be the most important note,
namely, that those opposed to you, have been opposed to Jesus and opposed to God's Truth, so they
"use" studies unfaithfully, to try to prove something false (their false teachings),
as was happening already in the first century and earlier - the religious leaders who opposed Jesus..... this is still the same today, and seen in all the false teachings being posted about on the forum , by linen, etc ....