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Hunter Biden: The Most Comprehensive Timeline | National Review

April 1, 2019: Writing in The Hill, John Solomon quotes Ukrainian former prosecutor general Viktor Shokin, telling him that, before he was dismissed, he was leading a wide-ranging corruption probe into Burisma Holdings, and that his plans included “interrogations and other crime-investigation procedures into all members of the executive board, including Hunter Biden.”​

Ex-Ukraine prosecutor said he was told to back off probe of Biden-linked firm, files show
 
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Hunter Biden: The Most Comprehensive Timeline | National Review

April 1, 2019: Writing in The Hill, John Solomon quotes Ukrainian former prosecutor general Viktor Shokin, telling him that, before he was dismissed, he was leading a wide-ranging corruption probe into Burisma Holdings, and that his plans included “interrogations and other crime-investigation procedures into all members of the executive board, including Hunter Biden.”​

Ex-Ukraine prosecutor said he was told to back off probe of Biden-linked firm, files show

*But it said the period under investigation was 2010-2012, and noted that this was before the company hired Hunter Biden.

“Changes to the board of Burisma Limited, which are currently the object of international attention, took place only in May 2014, and therefore are not and never were the subject of (the anti-corruption bureau’s) investigation,” the bureau’s statement said.

Ukraine agency says allegations against Burisma cover period before Biden joined

Perhaps too fox news might take note of the credibility of Shokin, Biden did not act in isolation as the EU wanted him out, justifiably.
 
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*But it said the period under investigation was 2010-2012, and noted that this was before the company hired Hunter Biden.

“Changes to the board of Burisma Limited, which are currently the object of international attention, took place only in May 2014, and therefore are not and never were the subject of (the anti-corruption bureau’s) investigation,” the bureau’s statement said.

Ukraine agency says allegations against Burisma cover period before Biden joined

Perhaps too fox news might take note of the credibility of Shokin, Biden did not act in isolation as the EU wanted him out, justifiably.
From your own article:

Shokin says he was fired to prevent him from investigating Hunter Biden, which the Biden family strongly denies.
 
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From your own article:

Shokin says he was fired to prevent him from investigating Hunter Biden, which the Biden family strongly denies.

Shokin can say anything that he wants... did you miss this
from the article:

But it said the period under investigation was 2010-2012, and noted that this was before the company hired Hunter Biden.

“Changes to the board of Burisma Limited, which are currently the object of international attention, took place only in May 2014, and therefore are not and never were the subject of (the anti-corruption bureau’s) investigation,” the bureau’s statement said.
 
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Shokin can say anything that he wants... did you miss this
from the article:

But it said the period under investigation was 2010-2012, and noted that this was before the company hired Hunter Biden.

“Changes to the board of Burisma Limited, which are currently the object of international attention, took place only in May 2014, and therefore are not and never were the subject of (the anti-corruption bureau’s) investigation,” the bureau’s statement said.
Well, assuming everyone is telling the truth, Shokin wanted to enlarge / expand / reopen the original investigation, and widen it to include developments up through 2016, including the appointment of Hunter Biden to the board ?
 
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Well, assuming everyone is telling the truth, Shokin wanted to enlarge / expand / reopen the original investigation, and widen it to include developments up through 2016, including the appointment of Hunter Biden to the board ?

Viktor Shokin had much bigger issues than the corruption case against Mykola Zlochevsky. Almost immediately after he was appointed, he started to cause almost irreparable harm to Ukraine’s legal system.

For starters, he failed to prosecute any prominent members of the Yanukovych regime or anybody in the current government. He constantly blocked reform to Ukraine’s broken legal system. He was in charge of implementing the 2014 law on prosecution which the European Union had asked Ukraine to do for years.

The law aimed to reduce to role of prosecutors who “were absurdly superior to judges in the Soviet legal system that persisted in post-Soviet Ukraine” according to Atlantic Council. It also called for a reevaluation of all prosecutors in order to weed out the more corrupt and incompetent ones. Shokin manipulated the process so that the old system mostly remained the same and minimal, ineffective changes were implemented.

He was the largest obstacle to judicial reform in Ukraine. It wasn’t just Joe Biden calling for his ouster, it was the United States government and the European Union.

Steven Pifer, a career foreign service officer who was ambassador to Ukraine under President Bill Clinton, told Politifact that “virtually everyone” he knew in the U.S. government and virtually all non-governmental experts on Ukraine “felt that Shokin was not doing his job and should be fired. As far as I can recall, they all concurred with the vice president telling Poroshenko that the U.S. government would not extend the $1 billion loan guarantee to Ukraine until Shokin was removed
from office.”

The European Union also called for him to be fired and celebrated his removal. “This decision creates an opportunity to make a fresh start in the prosecutor general’s office. I hope that the new prosecutor general will ensure that [his] office . . . becomes independent from political influence and pressure and enjoys public trust,” said Jan Tombinski, the EU’s envoy to Ukraine, in a statement at the time.

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Well, assuming everyone is telling the truth, Shokin wanted to enlarge / expand / reopen the original investigation, and widen it to include developments up through 2016, including the appointment of Hunter Biden to the board ?

"In an interview with The Intercept, Daria Kaleniuk, an American-educated lawyer who founded Ukraine’s Anti-Corruption Action Center, expressed frustration that two recent front-page stories in the New York Times, on how the conspiracy theory is being used to attack Biden, failed to properly debunk the false accusation. According to Kaleniuk, and a former anti-corruption prosecutor, there is simply no truth to the rumor now spreading like wildfire across the internet.

The accusation is that Biden blackmailed Ukraine’s new leaders into firing the country’s chief prosecutor, Viktor Shokin, to derail an investigation he was leading into a Ukrainian gas company that the vice president’s son, Hunter, was paid to advise.

The truth, Kaleniuk said, is that Shokin was forced from office at Biden’s urging because he had failed to conduct thorough investigations of corruption, and had stifled efforts to investigate embezzlement and misconduct by public officials following the 2014 uprising."

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Well, assuming everyone is telling the truth, Shokin wanted to enlarge / expand / reopen the original investigation, and widen it to include developments up through 2016, including the appointment of Hunter Biden to the board ?

It seems obvious that Mr. Shokin's assertions as to his "intent" are very suspect:

The United States and other Western nations had for months called for the ousting of Mr. Shokin, who was widely criticized for turning a blind eye to corrupt practices and for defending the interests of a venal and entrenched elite. He was one of several political figures in Kiev whom reformers and Western diplomats saw as a worrying indicator of a return to past corrupt practices, two years after a revolution that was supposed to put a stop to self-dealing by those in power.

As the problems festered, Kiev drew increasingly sharp criticism from Western diplomats and leaders. In a visit in December, Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. said corruption was eating Ukraine “like a cancer.” Christine Lagarde, the managing director of the International Monetary Fund, which props up Ukraine financially, said last month that progress was so slow in fighting corruption that “it’s hard to see how the I.M.F.-supported program can continue.”

The notion that Biden acted in isolation is simply false!

A Republican Conspiracy Theory About a Biden-in-Ukraine Scandal Has Gone Mainstream. But It Is Not True.
 
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It seems obvious that Mr. Shokin's assertions as to his "intent" are very suspect:

The United States and other Western nations had for months called for the ousting of Mr. Shokin, who was widely criticized for turning a blind eye to corrupt practices and for defending the interests of a venal and entrenched elite. He was one of several political figures in Kiev whom reformers and Western diplomats saw as a worrying indicator of a return to past corrupt practices, two years after a revolution that was supposed to put a stop to self-dealing by those in power.

As the problems festered, Kiev drew increasingly sharp criticism from Western diplomats and leaders. In a visit in December, Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. said corruption was eating Ukraine “like a cancer.” Christine Lagarde, the managing director of the International Monetary Fund, which props up Ukraine financially, said last month that progress was so slow in fighting corruption that “it’s hard to see how the I.M.F.-supported program can continue.”

The notion that Biden acted in isolation is simply false!

A Republican Conspiracy Theory About a Biden-in-Ukraine Scandal Has Gone Mainstream. But It Is Not True.
those aren't mutually incompatible claims

if everyone is telling the truth, Shokin WAS NOT investigating all those groups you mentioned...

and WAS trying to investigate Burisma and Biden instead

that would be consistent with all reports to date?
 
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those aren't mutually incompatible claims
if everyone is telling the truth, Shokin WAS NOT investigating all those groups you mentioned...
and WAS trying to investigate Burisma and Biden instead
that would be consistent with all reports to date?

What would be consistent would be that shokin was shown to be corrupt and that Biden, as noted, was not acting in isolation in pushing his dimissal. What was also factual was that the investigation revolved around the 2010-2012 time period prior to biden's appointment to the board. What is quite clear is that there exist appropriate agencies that should have been involved...other than guiliani and other trump sycophants.
 
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