Dec. 21 is the 50th Anniversary of the first manned mission to the moon

Erik Nelson said:

Are references to "Apollo" and "Artemis" implicit appeals to pagan deities ?

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A Realist said:

NO....and stick to the cotton-pickin' subject of the OP instead of veering way off into left field.

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Desk trauma said:

I consider the lack of evidence for it sufficient justification.

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Desk trauma said:

The Apollo program is very much in the history books. It took place between 1961-1975.



It already took place. Too late the chose another name for it.



Sure we could strike the name from the record and call it say, the program that shall not be named, but to what end?

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A Realist said:

NO....and stick to the cotton-pickin' subject of the OP instead of veering way off into left field.

Start your own thread if the naming of the missions stick in your craw that bad.

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Erik Nelson said:

thousands of years of Religion dominating human history is evidence

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Erik Nelson said:

No physical force is stopping NASA from renaming the Artemis program something else

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Desk trauma said:

Not really, no.

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• sense of the mundane from numerous ordinary events occurring "here now" implies nothing about (alleged) one-off unique extra-ordinary events "there then"
• "people who report extra-ordinary events are delusional" because "extra-ordinary events don't occur" because "there's no evidence" because "reports of extra-ordinary events are delusional" is circular non-reasoning (of the most obvious blatant flagrant kind) as well as ad hominem (also a logical fallacy)

Desk trauma said:

Yes it is, the force of good sense.

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Desk trauma said:

As I have said, these mission have already happened, there is no point in renaming them.

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Erik Nelson said:

Well, yes in fact, really, actually, at law

Direct witness testimony = evidence, admissible at law

Apparently, you accept only forensic evidence ("CCTV video" in analogy)

However, if a direct witness testifies that something extra-ordinary happened...

then anything you or I say, from thousands of miles & thousands of years away from the events in question, would be utter hearsay, and totally in-admissible

If Abraham reported extra-ordinary events, to him first hand...
And you say "nah nothin' happened", second third fourth hand...
Then you're "no" does not trump Abraham's "yes" (not to anyone besides yourself)

The most you can demand is that everyone acknowledge Biblical reports of extra-ordinary phenomena have not been forensically corroborated ("un-confirmed reports")

But neither have they been forensically dis-confirmed, either -- CNN cameras didn't get there in time, sorry, we've only got the "transcripts"

Unconfirmed reports are not automatically dismissed, for a variety of logical reasons, such as:

• sense of the mundane from numerous ordinary events occurring "here now" implies nothing about (alleged) one-off unique extra-ordinary events "there then"
• "people who report extra-ordinary events are delusional" because "extra-ordinary events don't occur" because "there's no evidence" because "reports of extra-ordinary events are delusional" is circular non-reasoning (of the most obvious blatant flagrant kind) as well as ad hominem (also a logical fallacy)

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Erik Nelson said:

How is naming anything after thousands of years of "delusional babbling gobblygook nonsense" (as Atheists surely view references to deities) any kind of "good sense" ?

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Erik Nelson said:

Artemis (Moon II) and Mars missions haven't happened yet ?

Those are the ones I meant, no, didn't mean to suggest trying to redact "Apollo" out of history texts or anything, though I wouldn't oppose minimizing the usage of that particular word, and trying to get the most mileage out of "US moon missions" say

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Erik Nelson said:

How is naming anything after thousands of years of "delusional babbling gobblygook nonsense" (as Atheists surely view references to deities) any kind of "good sense" ?

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