1 Peter 4:7 "THE END OF ALL THINGS IS NIGH AT HAND"

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This is a passage I have long looked at and thought I would create a thread on it and look at this verse in relation to the Olivet Discourse and Revelation.
First the verse with strong's #

Strong's Concordance with Hebrew and Greek Lexicon

1 Peter 4:7
Of all-things<3956> yet, the End<5056> is nigh<1448>.
Be sane<4993> then, and be sober<3529> into the prayers,


5056. telos tel'-os from a primary tello
(to set out for a definite point or goal); properly, the point aimed at as a limit, i.e. (by implication) the conclusion of an act or state (termination (literally, figuratively or indefinitely), result (immediate, ultimate or prophetic), purpose); specially, an impost or levy (as paid):--+ continual, custom, end(-ing), finally, uttermost. Compare 5411.

1448. eggizo eng-id'-zo from 1451;
to make near, i.e. (reflexively) approach:--approach, be at hand, come (draw) near, be (come, draw) nigh.
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A few commentaries

EXEGETICAL (ORIGINAL LANGUAGES)

Cambridge Bible for Schools and Colleges


7. But the end of all things is at hand]
The words are spoken, as are nearly all the eschatological utterances of the New Testament, within the horizon of the Apostle’s knowledge, and it had not been given to him to know the “times and the seasons” (Acts 1:7).
His language was the natural inference from our Lord’s words, “then shall the end be” (Matthew 24:6-14).
The times in which the disciples lived were to them the “last times” (1 Timothy 4:1; 1 John 2:18).
They looked for the coming of the Lord as not far off (Romans 13:12; James 5:8).
They expected to be among those who should be living when He came (1 Corinthians 15:51), who should be caught up to meet Him in the air (1 Thessalonians 4:17).
A few years—we might almost say, looking to 2 Peter 3:8, a few months—sufficed to shew that the divine plan extended over a wider range than their thoughts and expectations. And yet, in one very real sense, they were not altogether mistaken.

The end of all that they had known and lived in, the end of one great æon, or dispensation, was indeed nigh at hand. The old order was changing and giving place to the new. There was to be a great removal of the things that were shaken, that had decayed and waxed old, that the things that could not be shaken might remain (Hebrews 12:27).
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EXPOSITORY (ENGLISH BIBLE)

John Brown (1852)

“After some deliberation I have been led to adopt the opinion of those who hold that “the end of all things” here is the entire end of the Jewish economy in the destruction of the city and temple of Jerusalem, and the dispersion of the holy people. That was at hand; f
or this epistle seems to have been written a very short while before these events took place, not improbably after the commencement of the “wars and rumours of wars” of which our Lord spake.

This view will not appear strange to any one who has carefully weighed the terms in which our Lord had predicted these events, and the close connection which the fulfillment of these predictions had with the interests and duties of Christians, whether in Judea or in Gentile countries.

It is quite plain that in our Lord’s prediction the expressions “the end,” and probably “the end of the world,” are used in reference to the entire dissolution of the Jewish economy. The events of that period were very minutely foretold, and our Lord distinctly stated that the existing generation should not pass away till all things respecting “this end” should be fulfilled,

This was to be a season of suffering for all; of trial, severe trial, to the followers of Christ; of dreadful judgment on His Jewish opposers, and of glorious triumph to His religion.
To this period there are repeated references in the apostolical epistles. “Knowing the time,” says the Apostle Paul, “that now it is high time to awake out of sleep, for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed. The night is far spent, the day is at hand.” “Be patient,” says the Apostle James; “stablish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord draweth nigh.” “The Judge standeth before the door.”


Our Lord’s predictions must have been very familiar to the minds of Christians at the time this was written.
They must have been looking forward with mingled awe and joy, fear and hope, to their accomplishment: “looking for the things which were coming on the earth;” and it was peculiarly natural for Peter to refer to these events, and to refer to them in words similar to those used by our Lord, as he was one of the disciples who, sitting with his Lord in full view of the city and temple, hears these predictions uttered.

The Christians inhabiting Judea had a peculiar interest in these predictions and their fulfillment. But all Christians had a deep interest in them. The Christians of the regions in which those to whom Peter wrote resided were chiefly converted Jews.
As Christians they had cause to rejoice in the prospect of the accomplishment of the predictions, as greatly confirming the truth of Christianity and removing some of the greatest obstructions in the way of its progress, such as persecutions by the Jews, and the confounding of Christianity with Judaism on the part of the Gentiles, who were accustomed to view its professors as a Jewish sect. But while they rejoiced, they had cause to “rejoice with trembling,” as their Lord had plainly intimated that it was to be a season of severe trial to his friends, as well as of fearful vengeance against His enemies.

“The end of all things,” which was at hand, seems to be the same thing as the judgment of the quick and the dead, which the Lord was ready to enter on- the judgment, the time for which was come, which was to begin with the house of God, and then to be executed fully on those who obeyed not the Gospel of God, the unbelieving Jews, in which the righteous should scarcely be saved, and the ungodly and wicked should be fearfully punished.

The contemplation of each such events as just at hand was well fitted to operate as a motive to sobriety and vigilance unto prayer. These were just the tempers and exercises peculiarly called for in such circumstances, and they are just the dispositions and employments required by our Lord when He speaks of those days of trial and wrath: “Take heed to yourselves,” says our Lord, “lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and the cares of this life and so that day come on you unawares; for as a snare shall it come upon all who dwell on the earth.
Watch, therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that are about to come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.”

It is difficult to believe that the apostle had not these very words in his mind when he wrote the passage now before us.” (Expository Discourses on 1 Peter, vol. ii. pp.292-294)
 
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1 Peter 4:7
Of all-things<3956> yet, the End<5056> is nigh<1448>.
Be sane<4993> then, and be sober<3529> into the prayers,

Genesis 1:1 (NKJV)
G1448
ἐγγίζω (eggizō) ccurs 43 times in 42 verses
[42 is an notable number]

mGNT 42x in 18 unique form(s)

ἐγγιεῖ — 1x
ἐγγίζει — 2x
ἐγγίζειν — 2x
ἐγγίζομεν — 1x
ἐγγίζοντες — 1x
ἐγγίζοντι — 1x
ἐγγίζοντος — 1x
ἐγγιζόντων — 1x
ἐγγίζουσαν — 1x
ἐγγίζουσιν — 1x
ἐγγίσαι — 1x
ἐγγίσαντος — 1x
ἐγγίσας — 2x
ἐγγίσατε — 1x
ἤγγιζεν — 2x
ἤγγικεν — 14x
ἤγγισαν — 2x
ἤγγισεν — 7x

LXX 125x in 42 unique form(s)

ἐγγιεῗ — 7x
ἔγγιζε — 2x
ἐγγίζει — 10x
ἐγγίζειν — 5x
ἐγγίζῃ — 2x
ἐγγίζοντας — 1x
ἐγγίζοντες — 8x
ἐγγίζοντι — 2x
ἐγγίζοντός — 1x
ἐγγιζόντων — 3x
ἐγγίζουσα — 1x
ἐγγιζούσαις — 1x
ἐγγιζούσῃ — 1x
ἐγγιζούσης — 1x
ἐγγίζουσι — 2x
ἐγγίζουσίν — 1x
ἐγγίζουσιν — 2x
ἐγγίζων — 4x
ἐγγιοῦσι — 1x
ἐγγιοῦσιν — 3x
ἐγγίσαι — 3x
ἐγγίσας — 3x
ἐγγίσατε — 3x
ἐγγισάτω — 3x
ἐγγισάτωσαν — 4x
ἐγγίσῃ — 2x
ἐγγίσῃς — 4x
ἐγγίσητε — 1x
ἔγγισόν — 2x
ἔγγισον — 1x
ἐγγίσωσίν — 1x
ἐγγίσωσιν — 1x
ἐγγίων — 2x
ἤγγιζεν — 1x
ἠγγίκασιν — 2x
ἤγγικεν — 2x
ἤγγισα — 1x
ἤγγισάν — 1x
ἤγγισαν — 12x
ἤγγισας — 2x
ἠγγίσατε — 1x
ἤγγισεν — 15x

STRONGS NT 1448: ἐγγίζω
ἐγγίζω; imperfect ἤγγιζον; Attic future ἐγγιῶ (James 4:8 [Buttmann 37 (32); Winer's Grammar § 13, 1 c.]); 1 aorist ἤγγισα; perfect ἤγγικα (ἐγγύς); in Greek writings from Polybius and Diodorus on; Sept. for נִגַשׁ and קָרַב.
1. transitive, to bring near, to join one thing to another: Polybius 8, 6, 7; Sept., Genesis 48:10; Isaiah 5:8.
2. intransitive, to draw or come near, to approach; absolutely, Matthew 21:34; Luke 18:40; [Luke 19:41]; Luke 21:28; 22:1; 24:15; Acts 7:17; Acts 21:33; Acts 23:15; [Hebrews 10:25]; perfect ἤγγικε, has come nigh, is at hand: ἡ βασιλ. τοῦ θεοῦ, Matthew 3:2; Matthew 4:17; Matthew 10:7; Mark 1:15; Luke 10:11; with the addition ἐφ’ ὑμᾶς, Luke 10:9; ἡ ἐρήμωσις, Luke 21:20; ἡ ὥρα, Matthew 26:45; ὁ παραδιδούς με, Matthew 26:46; [Mark 14:42 (where Tdf. ἤγγισεν)]; ὁ καιρός, Luke 21:8; ἡ ἡμέρα, Romans 13:12; τὸ τέλος, 1 Peter 4:7; ἡ παρουσία τοῦ κυρίου, James 5:8. Construed with the dative of the person or the place approached: Luke 7:12; Luke 15:1, 25; Luke 22:47: Acts 9:3; Acts 10:9; Acts 22:6; ἐγγίζειν τῷ θεῷ (in the Sept. used especially of the priests entering the temple to offer sacrifices or to perform other ministrations there, Exodus 19:22; Exodus 34:30; Leviticus 10:3, etc.): to worship God, Matthew 15:8 Rec., from Isaiah 29:13; to turn one's thoughts to God, to become acquainted with him, Hebrews 7:19; James 4:8; ὁ θεὸς ἐγγίζει τινί, God draws near to one in the bestowment of his grace and help, James 4:8. Followed by εἰς and the accusative of the place: Matthew 21:1; Mark 11:1; Luke 18:35; Luke 19:29; Luke 24:28; [followed by πρός with the dative, Luke 19:37, see Buttmann, § 147, 28; others regard this as a pregnant construction, cf. Winer's Grammar, §§ 48, e.; 66, 2 d.]; μέχρι θανάτου ἤγγισε, to draw nigh unto, be at the point of, death, Philippians 2:30 (ἐγγίζειν εἰς θάνατον, Job 33:22); with an adverb of place, ὅπου κλέπτης οὐκ ἐγγίζει, Luke 12:33.
[Compare: προσεγγίζω.]
 
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The end of all that they had known and lived in, the end of one great æon, or dispensation, was indeed nigh at hand.
Yes Peter was talking about when the temple would be tore down in 70 ad. That was the end for them and the beginning for us. Although the church age began at Pentecost in 29 AD. Everything God did for Israel He would do for the Gentiles. So all of the Old Testament is a pattern for us to follow. They use words like Archetype and Paradigm. Sometimes shadow and type but that usually refers to the Earthly copy of what we will find in Heaven because there are no shadows in Heaven.

The question is what about the 40 years that took place between the day of Pentecost when the Holy Spirit Dispensation began and 70 AD when the temple was destroyed. We are the Temple of God and if the Church is raptured out of here when is that event going to happen? Perhaps 2029 or maybe 2070. If the church age is 2,000 years.
 
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This is a passage I have long looked at and thought I would create a thread on it and look at this verse in relation to the Olivet Discourse and Revelation.
First the verse with strong's #

Strong's Concordance with Hebrew and Greek Lexicon

1 Peter 4:7
Of all-things<3956> yet, the End<5056> is nigh<1448>.
Be sane<4993> then, and be sober<3529> into the prayers,


5056. telos tel'-os from a primary tello
(to set out for a definite point or goal); properly, the point aimed at as a limit, i.e. (by implication) the conclusion of an act or state (termination (literally, figuratively or indefinitely), result (immediate, ultimate or prophetic), purpose); specially, an impost or levy (as paid):--+ continual, custom, end(-ing), finally, uttermost. Compare 5411.

1448. eggizo eng-id'-zo from 1451;
to make near, i.e. (reflexively) approach:--approach, be at hand, come (draw) near, be (come, draw) nigh.
=================================
A few commentaries

EXEGETICAL (ORIGINAL LANGUAGES)

Cambridge Bible for Schools and Colleges


7. But the end of all things is at hand]
The words are spoken, as are nearly all the eschatological utterances of the New Testament, within the horizon of the Apostle’s knowledge, and it had not been given to him to know the “times and the seasons” (Acts 1:7).
His language was the natural inference from our Lord’s words, “then shall the end be” (Matthew 24:6-14).
The times in which the disciples lived were to them the “last times” (1 Timothy 4:1; 1 John 2:18).
They looked for the coming of the Lord as not far off (Romans 13:12; James 5:8).
They expected to be among those who should be living when He came (1 Corinthians 15:51), who should be caught up to meet Him in the air (1 Thessalonians 4:17).
A few years—we might almost say, looking to 2 Peter 3:8, a few months—sufficed to shew that the divine plan extended over a wider range than their thoughts and expectations. And yet, in one very real sense, they were not altogether mistaken.

The end of all that they had known and lived in, the end of one great æon, or dispensation, was indeed nigh at hand. The old order was changing and giving place to the new. There was to be a great removal of the things that were shaken, that had decayed and waxed old, that the things that could not be shaken might remain (Hebrews 12:27).
=========================================
EXPOSITORY (ENGLISH BIBLE)

John Brown (1852)

“After some deliberation I have been led to adopt the opinion of those who hold that “the end of all things” here is the entire end of the Jewish economy in the destruction of the city and temple of Jerusalem, and the dispersion of the holy people. That was at hand; f
or this epistle seems to have been written a very short while before these events took place, not improbably after the commencement of the “wars and rumours of wars” of which our Lord spake.

This view will not appear strange to any one who has carefully weighed the terms in which our Lord had predicted these events, and the close connection which the fulfillment of these predictions had with the interests and duties of Christians, whether in Judea or in Gentile countries.

It is quite plain that in our Lord’s prediction the expressions “the end,” and probably “the end of the world,” are used in reference to the entire dissolution of the Jewish economy. The events of that period were very minutely foretold, and our Lord distinctly stated that the existing generation should not pass away till all things respecting “this end” should be fulfilled,

This was to be a season of suffering for all; of trial, severe trial, to the followers of Christ; of dreadful judgment on His Jewish opposers, and of glorious triumph to His religion.
To this period there are repeated references in the apostolical epistles. “Knowing the time,” says the Apostle Paul, “that now it is high time to awake out of sleep, for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed. The night is far spent, the day is at hand.” “Be patient,” says the Apostle James; “stablish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord draweth nigh.” “The Judge standeth before the door.”


Our Lord’s predictions must have been very familiar to the minds of Christians at the time this was written.
They must have been looking forward with mingled awe and joy, fear and hope, to their accomplishment: “looking for the things which were coming on the earth;” and it was peculiarly natural for Peter to refer to these events, and to refer to them in words similar to those used by our Lord, as he was one of the disciples who, sitting with his Lord in full view of the city and temple, hears these predictions uttered.

The Christians inhabiting Judea had a peculiar interest in these predictions and their fulfillment. But all Christians had a deep interest in them. The Christians of the regions in which those to whom Peter wrote resided were chiefly converted Jews.
As Christians they had cause to rejoice in the prospect of the accomplishment of the predictions, as greatly confirming the truth of Christianity and removing some of the greatest obstructions in the way of its progress, such as persecutions by the Jews, and the confounding of Christianity with Judaism on the part of the Gentiles, who were accustomed to view its professors as a Jewish sect. But while they rejoiced, they had cause to “rejoice with trembling,” as their Lord had plainly intimated that it was to be a season of severe trial to his friends, as well as of fearful vengeance against His enemies.

“The end of all things,” which was at hand, seems to be the same thing as the judgment of the quick and the dead, which the Lord was ready to enter on- the judgment, the time for which was come, which was to begin with the house of God, and then to be executed fully on those who obeyed not the Gospel of God, the unbelieving Jews, in which the righteous should scarcely be saved, and the ungodly and wicked should be fearfully punished.

The contemplation of each such events as just at hand was well fitted to operate as a motive to sobriety and vigilance unto prayer. These were just the tempers and exercises peculiarly called for in such circumstances, and they are just the dispositions and employments required by our Lord when He speaks of those days of trial and wrath: “Take heed to yourselves,” says our Lord, “lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and the cares of this life and so that day come on you unawares; for as a snare shall it come upon all who dwell on the earth.
Watch, therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that are about to come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.”

It is difficult to believe that the apostle had not these very words in his mind when he wrote the passage now before us.” (Expository Discourses on 1 Peter, vol. ii. pp.292-294)

1 Peter 4

5But they will have to give an account to Him who is ready to judge the living and the dead

Because of this earlier verse I believe he was referring to the end times.

7The end of all things is near.

They ... like us ... did not/do not know when His return would be/will be.
 
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Yes Peter was talking about when the temple would be tore down in 70 ad. That was the end for them and the beginning for us. Although the church age began at Pentecost in 29 AD. Everything God did for Israel He would do for the Gentiles. So all of the Old Testament is a pattern for us to follow. They use words like Archetype and Paradigm. Sometimes shadow and type but that usually refers to the Earthly copy of what we will find in Heaven because there are no shadows in Heaven.

The question is what about the 40 years that took place between the day of Pentecost when the Holy Spirit Dispensation began and 70 AD when the temple was destroyed. We are the Temple of God and if the Church is raptured out of here when is that event going to happen? Perhaps 2029 or maybe 2070. If the church age is 2,000 years.
According to James, 70AD was the "Parousia".......

The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD
Proof that Matthew 24 was fully fulfilled in 70 AD!
Also see: Rapture refuted

The exact word form of G1448 in 1 Peter occurs in these verses concerning the "Parousia" of the Olivet Disourse and in James concerning the "parousia"........

Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized- Poll Thread
Matt 24:4-5

Luke 21:8
And He said: “Take heed that you not be deceived. For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am He,’ and, ‘The time is drawn near/hggiken <1448> (5758) .’ Therefore[ do not go after them.


Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized- Poll Thread
Matt 24:15

Luke 21:20
Whenever yet may be seeing the Jerusalem surrounded by armies,
then be knowing that is drawn near/hggiken <1448> (5758) desolating of Her
Revelation 18:19 and they cast dust upon their heads, and cried<2896>, lamenting<2799>, weeping and mourning<3996>, saying,
"Woe! woe! the great City! in which are rich all those having ships<4143> in the sea, out of Her preciousness<5094>, for to one hour was She was desolated<2049>.

Romans 13:
11 And this knowing the time, that hour it-is already out of sleep to be roused,
for now nearer/hggiken <1448> (5758) the Salvation of us than when we believed.
12 The Night progresses, the yet Day has drawn near<1448>.
We should be putting off then the works of the Darkness, we should be putting on the implements of the Light.
Revelation 12:10 Then I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, “Now the salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ have come,
James 5:8
be patient! also stand-fast the hearts of ye!
that the Parousia <3952> of the Lord is drawn near/hggiken <1448> (5758);

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EXEGETICAL (ORIGINAL LANGUAGES)

Bengel's Gnomen

1 Peter 4:7. Πάντων) of all things; and therefore also of the arrogance of the wicked, and of the sufferings of the righteous.—τέλος, the end) when the number of the dead and living shall be complete: [in the last judgment.—V. g.]—οὖν, therefore) He returns to exhortation; and in 1 Peter 4:7-11 duties are opposed to the sins enumerated in 1 Peter 4:3. For luxuries are opposed to the being sober and watchful; desires (“lusts”), to love; excesses in wine, revellings, banquetings, to hospitality; abominable idolatries, to the lawful ministering of heavenly gifts to the glory of the true God.—καὶ νήψατε, and watch) Temperance assists watchfulness, and each of them assists prayers: they who are removed from temperance are sleepy; and the sleepy are slothful as to prayer, even on this account, that they do not willingly take any time from their labour and the ordinary pursuits of life.—προσευχὰς, prayers) which are necessary at the last time.
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EXPOSITORY (ENGLISH BIBLE)

Jay Adams (1978)
“In six or seven years from the time of writing, the overthrow of Jerusalem, with all its tragic stories, as foretold in the book of Revelation and in the Olivet Discourse upon which that part is based, would take place. Titus and Vespasian would wipe out the old order once and for all. All those forces that led to the persecution and exile of these Christians in Asia Minor—the temple ceremonies (outdated by Christ’s death), Pharisaism (with its distortion of the O.T. law into a system of works-righteousness) and the political stance of Palestinian Jewry toward Rome—would be erased. The Roman armies would wipe Jewish opposition from the face of the land. Those who survived the holocaust of A.D. 70 would themselves be dispersed around the Mediterranean world. “So,” says Peter, “hold on; the end is near.” The full end of the O.T. order (already made defunct by the cross and the empty tomb) was about to occur.” (Trust and Obey: A Practical Commentary on First Peter (Phillipsburg, NJ: Presbyterian and Reformed, 1978), 130)
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James 5:8
be patient! also stand-fast the hearts of ye!
that the Parousia <3952> of the Lord is drawn near/hggiken <1448> (5758);


Visual Timeline of the Roman-Jewish War ARTchive @ PreteristArchive.com, The Internet's Only Balanced Look at Preterist Eschatology and Preterism
CAST OF CHARACTERS: Roman: Emperor Nero | General Vespasian | General Titus | The Roman Army || Jewish: General / Historian Josephus | Factional Leaders in Jerusalem || Administrators of Roman Judea Targets: Jerusalem | Herod's Temple // Maps of the Roman Invasion // Theological Timeline

CHRONOLOGY IMMEDIATELY SURROUNDING THE WAR

Stage 1: Murder of James the Just, "Opposition High Priest" ; Irrevocable Split: 62
Stage 2: General Revolt in Jerusalem ; Zealot Occupation of Masada: August-September 66
Stage 3: The Campaign of Cestius Gallus and the Defeat of the Twelfth Legion: October-November 66
Stage 4: End of Collaborative Government, Priesthood ; General Flight: November 66 - March 67
Part 6: Vespasian Subdues Northern and Western Palestine: December 66 - December 68
Part 7: Three-way Power Struggle within Jerusalem After Roman Retreat: January 68 - May 70
Part 8: Romans Breach City Walls and Leave Jerusalem Desolate: May 10 - September 10, 70
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This is a passage I have long looked at and thought I would create a thread on it and look at this verse in relation to the Olivet Discourse and Revelation.
First the verse with strong's #

Strong's Concordance with Hebrew and Greek Lexicon

1 Peter 4:7
Of all-things<3956> yet, the End<5056> is nigh<1448>.
Be sane<4993> then, and be sober<3529> into the prayers,


5056. telos tel'-os from a primary tello
(to set out for a definite point or goal); properly, the point aimed at as a limit, i.e. (by implication) the conclusion of an act or state (termination (literally, figuratively or indefinitely), result (immediate, ultimate or prophetic), purpose); specially, an impost or levy (as paid):--+ continual, custom, end(-ing), finally, uttermost. Compare 5411.

1448. eggizo eng-id'-zo from 1451;
to make near, i.e. (reflexively) approach:--approach, be at hand, come (draw) near, be (come, draw) nigh.
=================================
A few commentaries

EXEGETICAL (ORIGINAL LANGUAGES)

Cambridge Bible for Schools and Colleges


7. But the end of all things is at hand]
The words are spoken, as are nearly all the eschatological utterances of the New Testament, within the horizon of the Apostle’s knowledge, and it had not been given to him to know the “times and the seasons” (Acts 1:7).
His language was the natural inference from our Lord’s words, “then shall the end be” (Matthew 24:6-14).
The times in which the disciples lived were to them the “last times” (1 Timothy 4:1; 1 John 2:18).
They looked for the coming of the Lord as not far off (Romans 13:12; James 5:8).
They expected to be among those who should be living when He came (1 Corinthians 15:51), who should be caught up to meet Him in the air (1 Thessalonians 4:17).
A few years—we might almost say, looking to 2 Peter 3:8, a few months—sufficed to shew that the divine plan extended over a wider range than their thoughts and expectations. And yet, in one very real sense, they were not altogether mistaken.

The end of all that they had known and lived in, the end of one great æon, or dispensation, was indeed nigh at hand. The old order was changing and giving place to the new. There was to be a great removal of the things that were shaken, that had decayed and waxed old, that the things that could not be shaken might remain (Hebrews 12:27).
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John Brown (1852)

“After some deliberation I have been led to adopt the opinion of those who hold that “the end of all things” here is the entire end of the Jewish economy in the destruction of the city and temple of Jerusalem, and the dispersion of the holy people. That was at hand; f
or this epistle seems to have been written a very short while before these events took place, not improbably after the commencement of the “wars and rumours of wars” of which our Lord spake.

This view will not appear strange to any one who has carefully weighed the terms in which our Lord had predicted these events, and the close connection which the fulfillment of these predictions had with the interests and duties of Christians, whether in Judea or in Gentile countries.

It is quite plain that in our Lord’s prediction the expressions “the end,” and probably “the end of the world,” are used in reference to the entire dissolution of the Jewish economy. The events of that period were very minutely foretold, and our Lord distinctly stated that the existing generation should not pass away till all things respecting “this end” should be fulfilled,

This was to be a season of suffering for all; of trial, severe trial, to the followers of Christ; of dreadful judgment on His Jewish opposers, and of glorious triumph to His religion.
To this period there are repeated references in the apostolical epistles. “Knowing the time,” says the Apostle Paul, “that now it is high time to awake out of sleep, for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed. The night is far spent, the day is at hand.” “Be patient,” says the Apostle James; “stablish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord draweth nigh.” “The Judge standeth before the door.”


Our Lord’s predictions must have been very familiar to the minds of Christians at the time this was written.
They must have been looking forward with mingled awe and joy, fear and hope, to their accomplishment: “looking for the things which were coming on the earth;” and it was peculiarly natural for Peter to refer to these events, and to refer to them in words similar to those used by our Lord, as he was one of the disciples who, sitting with his Lord in full view of the city and temple, hears these predictions uttered.

The Christians inhabiting Judea had a peculiar interest in these predictions and their fulfillment. But all Christians had a deep interest in them. The Christians of the regions in which those to whom Peter wrote resided were chiefly converted Jews.
As Christians they had cause to rejoice in the prospect of the accomplishment of the predictions, as greatly confirming the truth of Christianity and removing some of the greatest obstructions in the way of its progress, such as persecutions by the Jews, and the confounding of Christianity with Judaism on the part of the Gentiles, who were accustomed to view its professors as a Jewish sect. But while they rejoiced, they had cause to “rejoice with trembling,” as their Lord had plainly intimated that it was to be a season of severe trial to his friends, as well as of fearful vengeance against His enemies.

“The end of all things,” which was at hand, seems to be the same thing as the judgment of the quick and the dead, which the Lord was ready to enter on- the judgment, the time for which was come, which was to begin with the house of God, and then to be executed fully on those who obeyed not the Gospel of God, the unbelieving Jews, in which the righteous should scarcely be saved, and the ungodly and wicked should be fearfully punished.

The contemplation of each such events as just at hand was well fitted to operate as a motive to sobriety and vigilance unto prayer. These were just the tempers and exercises peculiarly called for in such circumstances, and they are just the dispositions and employments required by our Lord when He speaks of those days of trial and wrath: “Take heed to yourselves,” says our Lord, “lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and the cares of this life and so that day come on you unawares; for as a snare shall it come upon all who dwell on the earth.
Watch, therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that are about to come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.”

It is difficult to believe that the apostle had not these very words in his mind when he wrote the passage now before us.” (Expository Discourses on 1 Peter, vol. ii. pp.292-294)

At this moment I don't even have enough free time to read your full message... but I can give you a discussion that I believe will help you to understand the year 2022 ... and what may happen there....... but remember... Messiah Yeshua - Jesus and / or the Comforter / The Holy Spirit and / or the Ancient of Days the Father.... have the greatest senses of humour in the universe / multiverse!


Israeli near death experiencer verifies some teaching of Yeshua - Jesus.
 
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Are you suggesting that some sort of a rapture took place in 70AD.
I haven't studied much on that yet, but when I do, I will be looking at Josephus mainly and Bible commentaries, especially preterist/amill ones.........

The Coming of Christ in 70 A.D.

This study will be lengthy and cannot be completely discussed in Dew. The magazine is not designed to do this. We suggest those who want to study this out completely to do the following: 1. Get a copy of Josephus. Many Christian publishers have produced this work. I recommend trying to find an out-of-print version produced by Zondervan publishing edited by Cornfeld. It may be difficult to locate a copy, but it will be worth it if you find it. Most good seminaries will have more than one version of Josephus. He was a Jewish Priest and military commander who was captured by the Romans just prior to the destruction of the Jewish Temple in 70 A.D. 2. Read the section entitled War of the Jews. You will be amazed! 3. Order the tapes produced by Tentmaker entitled The Rapture of 70 A.D.. These tapes capture the history of Israel and Rome from approximately 30 A.D. to 73 A.D. and connect them with the sayings of Jesus and the apostles while tying Josephus into it. 4. Read future sections of Dew that will deal with the subject.

Just a little side remark on the tapes The Rapture of 70 A.D.. We do not teach the "rapture." This title was selected to attract those who do believe in the "any day now rapture." In 70 A.D. when the Jews were trapped in Jerusalem by the Roman Army, a prophet prophesied that God was going to deliver them. He told them to come to the Temple, the House of God and there God was going to "catch them away." There they waited to be "raptured away" by the God of Israel. Read and see their fate as narrated by Josephus:

"A false prophet was the occasion of these people's destruction, who had made a public proclamation in the city that very day, that God commanded them to get up upon the temple, and that there they should receive miraculous signs of their deliverance. Now, there was then a great number of false prophets suborned by the tyrants to impose upon the people, who denounced this to them, that they should wait for deliverance from God; and this was in order to keep them from deserting, and that they might be buoyed up above fear and care by such hopes. Now, a man that is in adversity does easily comply with such promises; for when such a seducer makes him believe that he shall be delivered from those miseries which oppress him, then it is that the patient is full of hopes of such deliverance.

Thus were the miserable people persuaded by these deceivers, and such as belied God himself; while they did not attend, nor give credit, to the signs that were so evident, and did so plainly foretell their future desolation; but like men infatuated, without either eyes to see or minds to consider, did not regard the denunciations that God made to them."

Josephus then gave a list of many supernatural signs that God gave Israel, which they twisted to their own destruction. It is interesting to note those who were deceived into thinking God was going to rapture them were burned in their "House of God" which was full of their riches. Josephus writes:

"They also burnt down the treasury-chambers, in which was immense quantities of money, and an immense number of garments, and other precious goods, there reposited; and, to all in a few words, there it was that the entire riches of the Jews were heaped up together, while the rich people had there built themselves chambers, (to contain such furniture). Their riches and their bodies were burned to ashes and blown away by the wind. I suppose the ashes of their bodies being blown away by the wind could qualify for the term "rapture," or "caught up to meet the Lord in the air," but I don't think those who believe in a "any day now rapture" have this in mind. Who knows, perhaps the escapist mentality of today will meet the same fate. The church is certainly the richest institution materially in the entire world and there are certainly many prophets in the land predicting a "rapture" from the tribulations that are to come upon the world. It has used may trickeries to get people to put their money into the church.
 
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1 Peter was likely written about a half century after Peter's death so it could not possibly be referring to the events of AD 70.
How could he write it if he was dead?

Regardless of that, the END WAS NIGH......what end?

1 Peter 4:7
Of all-things<3956> yet, the End<5056> is nigh<1448>.

Be sane<4993> then, and be sober<3529> into the prayers,
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When was James written?
Is that the same James who was killed by Herod?


James 5:8
be patient! also stand-fast the hearts of ye!
that the Parousia <3952> of the Lord is drawn near<1448>

Acts 12:1
Now about that time Herod the king stretched out his hand to harass some from the church.
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Then he killed James the brother of John with the sword.
3
And because he saw that it pleased the Jews, he proceeded further to seize Peter also. Now it was during the Days of Unleavened Bread.
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CHRONOLOGY IMMEDIATELY SURROUNDING THE WAR


Stage 1: Murder of James the Just, "Opposition High Priest" ; Irrevocable Split: 62
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Church Historian Suggests James' Death the "Final Straw" Which Broke the Yoke


Hegesippus - "James, the brother of the Lord, succeeded to the government of the Church in conjunction with the apostles.. Because of his exceeding great justice he was called the Just.. Coming therefore in a body to James (the Scribes and Pharisees) said, 'We entreat thee, restrain the people; for they are gone astray in regard to Jesus, as if he were the Christ.. Do thou therefore persuade the multitude not to be led astray concerning Jesus. For the whole people, and all of us also, have confidence in thee.. And he answered with a loud voice,' Why do ye ask me concerning Jesus, the Son of Man ? He himself sitteth in heaven at the right hand of the great Power, and is about to come upon the clouds of heaven.' And when many were fully convinced and gloried in the testimony of James, and said, 'Hosanna to the Son of David,' these same Scribes and Pharisees said again to one another,' We have done badly in supplying such testimony to Jesus.. So they went up and threw down the just man, and said to each other, 'Let us stone James the Just.' And thus he suffered martyrdom. And they buried him on the spot, by the temple, and his monument still remains by the temple. He became a true witness, both to Jews and Greeks, that Jesus is the Christ. And immediately Vespasian besieged them."
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JackRT said:
1 Peter was likely written about a half century after Peter's death so it could not possibly be referring to the events of AD 70.

Dr. John Brown
"of Edinburgh"

(1784-1858)

(On I Peter 4:7 ; The End of the 'World')
"After some deliberation I have been led to adopt the opinion of those who hold that "the end of all things" here is the entire end of the Jewish economy in the destruction of the city and temple of Jerusalem, and the dispersion of the holy people. That was at hand; for this epistle seems to have been written a very short while before these events took place, not improbably after the commencement of the "wars and rumours of wars" of which our Lord spake. This view will not appear strange to any one who has carefully weighed the terms in which our Lord had predicted these events, and the close connection which the fulfillment of these predictions had with the interests and duties of Christians, whether in Judea or in Gentile countries.

It is quite plain that in our Lord's prediction the expressions "the end," and probably "the end of the world," are used in reference to the entire dissolution of the Jewish economy. The events of that period were very minutely foretold, and our Lord distinctly stated that the existing generation should not pass away till all things respecting "this end" should be fulfilled, This was to be a season of suffering for all; of trial, severe trial, to the followers of Christ; of dreadful judgment on His Jewish opposers, and of glorious triumph to His religion. To this period there are repeated references in the apostolical epistles. "Knowing the time," says the Apostle Paul, "that now it is high time to awake out of sleep, for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed. The night is far spent, the day is at hand." "Be patient," says the Apostle James; "stablish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord draweth nigh." "The Judge standeth before the door." Our Lord's predictions must have been very familiar to the minds of Christians at the time this was written. They must have been looking forward with mingled awe and joy, fear and hope, to their accomplishment: "looking for the things which were coming on the earth;" and it was peculiarly natural for Peter to refer to these events, and to refer to them in words similar to those used by our Lord, as he was one of the disciples who, sitting with his Lord in full view of the city and temple, hears these predictions uttered.

The Christians inhabiting Judea had a peculiar interest in these predictions and their fulfillment. But all Christians had a deep interest in them. The Christians of the regions in which those to whom Peter wrote resided were chiefly converted Jews. As Christians they had cause to rejoice in the prospect of the accomplishment of the predictions, as greatly confirming the truth of Christianity and removing some of the greatest obstructions in the way of its progress, such as persecutions by the Jews, and the confounding of Christianity with Judaism on the part of the Gentiles, who were accustomed to view its professors as a Jewish sect. But while they rejoiced, they had cause to "rejoice with trembling," as their Lord had plainly intimated that it was to be a season of severe trial to his friends, as well as of fearful vengeance against His enemies. "The end of all things," which was at hand, seems to be the same thing as the judgment of the quick and the dead, which the Lord was ready to enter on- the judgment, the time for which was come, which was to begin with the house of God, and then to be executed fully on those who obeyed not the Gospel of God, the unbelieving Jews, in which the righteous should scarcely be saved, and the ungodly and wicked should be fearfully punished.

The contemplation of each such events as just at hand was well fitted to operate as a motive to sobriety and vigilance unto prayer. These were just the tempers and exercises peculiarly called for in such circumstances, and they are just the dispositions and employments required by our Lord when He speaks of those days of trial and wrath: "Take heed to yourselves," says our Lord, "lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and the cares of this life and so that day come on you unawares; for as a snare shall it come upon all who dwell on the earth. Watch, therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that are about to come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man." It is difficult to believe that the apostle had not these very words in his mind when he wrote the passage now before us." (Expository Discourses on 1 Peter, vol. ii. pp.292-294 ; vol iii, pp. 84-86 (1866))
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(On I Peter 4:17-19)

"There seems here a reference to a particular judgment or trial, that the primitive Christians had reason to expect. When we consider that this epistle was written within a short time of the commencement of that awful scene of judgment which terminated in the destruction of the ecclesiastical and civil polity of the Jews, and which our Lord had so minutely predicted, we can scarcely doubt of the reference of the apostle's expression. After having specified wars and rumours of wars, famines, pestilences, and earthquakes, as symptoms of "the beginning of sorrows," our Lord adds, "Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you; and ye shall be hated of all nations for my sake." "They shall deliver you up to councils and to synagogues, and shall be beaten," etc. (Matt. 24:9-13,22)

"This is the judgment which, though to fall most heavily on the Holy Land, was plainly to extend to wherever Jews and Christians were to be found, "for where the carcase was, there were the eagles to be gathered together;" which was to begin at the house of God, and which was to be so severe that "the righteous should scarcely," i.e. not without difficulty, "be saved." They only who stood the trial should be saved, and many would not stand the trial. All the truly righteous should be saved; but many who seemed to be righteous would not endure to the end, and so should not be saved, etc. Some have supposed the reference to be to the Neronian persecution, which by a few years preceded the calamities connected with the Jewish wars and the destruction of Jerusalem." (ibid., vol. ii. p 357)

(On the "Double Fulfillment Theory")
'Dr. Owen's remark is full of good sense-" If the Scripture has more than one meaning, it has no meaning at all: " and it is just as applicable to the prophecies as to any other portion of Scripture.' (Sufferings and Glories of the Messiah, p. 5, note.)
 
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JackRT said:
1 Peter was likely written about a half century after Peter's death so it could not possibly be referring to the events of AD 70.

How could he write it if he was dead?

There are a number of epistles that are pseudographic. That is, they were not written by the person who is claimed to be the author. We do not even know for a certainty who wrote the Gospels because the names were not attached to them until about a century later.

You might be interested in the following:

John Dominic Crossan has provided a detailed classification of our sources for the historical Jesus according to the chronological stratification of the traditions. For a brief discussion of each source, including the reasons for its proposed dating, see John Dominic Crossan, The Historical Jesus (HarperCollins, 1991) Appendix 1, pp. 427-50. All dates shown are C.E. (Common Era).


First Stratum [30 to 60 C.E.]

1. First Letter of Paul to the Thessalonians (late 40s)

2. Letter of Paul to the Galatians (winter of 52/53)

3. First Letter of Paul to the Corinthians (winter of 53/54.)

4. Letter of Paul to the Romans (winter of 55/56)

5. Gospel of Thomas I (earliest layer of Thomas, composed in 50s)

6. Egerton Gospel (50s)

7. Papyrus Vienna G. 2325 (50s)

8. Papyrus Oxyrhynchus 1224 (50s)

9. Gospel of the Hebrews (Egypt, 50s)

10. Sayings Gospel Q (50s)

11. Miracles Collection (50s)

12. Apocalyptic Scenario (50s)

13. Cross Gospel (50s)


Second Stratum [60 to 80 C.E.]

14. Gospel of the Egyptians (60s)

15. Secret Gospel of Mark (early 70s)

16. Gospel of Mark (late 70s)

17. P. Oxyrhynchus 840 (?80s)

18. Gospel of Thomas II (later layers, 70s)

19. Dialogue Collection (70s)

20. Signs Gospel, or Book of Signs (70s)

21. Letter to the Colossians (70s)


Third Stratum [80 to 120 C.E.]

22. Gospel of Matthew (90)

23. Gospel of Luke (90s)

24. Revelation/Apocalypse of John (late 90s)

25. First Letter of Clement (late 90s)

26. Epistle of Barnabas (end first century)

27. Didache (other than 1:3b2:1, 16:35) (end first century)

28. Shepherd of Hermas (100)

29. Letter of James (100)

30. Gospel of John I (early second century)

31. Letter of Ignatius, To the Ephesians (110)

32. Letter of Ignatius, To the Magnesians (110)

33. Letter of Ignatius, To the Trallians (110)

34. Letter of Ignatius, To the Romans (110)

35. Letter of Ignatius, To the Philadelphians (110)

36. Letter of Ignatius, To the Smyrneans (110)

37. Letter of Ignatius, To Polycarp (110)

38. First Letter of Peter (112)

39. Letter of Polycarp, To the Philippians, 1314 (115)

40. First Letter of John (115)


Fourth Stratum [120 to 150 C.E.]

41. Gospel of John II (after 120)

42. Acts of the Apostles (after 120)

43. Apocryphon of James (before 150)

44. First Letter to Timothy (after 120)

45. Second Letter to Timothy (after 120)

46. Letter to Titus (after 120)

47. Second Letter of Peter (between 125 and 150)

48. Letter of Polycarp, To the Philippians, 112 (140)

49. Second Letter of Clement (150)

50. Gospel of the Nazoreans (middle second century)

51. Gospel of the Ebionites (middle second century)

52. Didache, 1:3b2:1 (middle second century)

53. Gospel of Peter (middle second century)
 
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There are a number of epistles that are pseudographic. That is, they were not written by the person who is claimed to be the author. We do not even know for a certainty who wrote the Gospels because the names were not attached to them until about a century later.
You might be interested in the following:
So you believe the Epistles of Peter are pseudographic?
In that case, that would make all the Epistles in the NT pseudographic", including Paul's Epistles.
All written before 70AD...........

1Pe 1:1
Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ,
To the pilgrims of the Dispersion in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,
2Pe 1:1
Simon Peter, a bondservant and apostle of Jesus Christ,
To those who have obtained like precious faith with us by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ:
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Paul, James and Peter
Matthew 24:3
Yet of Him sitting on the Mount of the Olives, the Disciples came toward to Him according to own saying "be telling to us! when shall these be being? and what the sign of Thy parousia<3952> and consummation<4930> of the Age?

1 Corinthians 15:23 But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ’s at His parousia.

1Th 3:13 so that He may establish your hearts blameless in holiness before our God and Father at the parousia of our Lord Jesus Christ with all His saints.

2 Thessalonians 2:1 And we ask you, brethren, in regard to the parousia of our Lord Jesus Christ, and of our gathering together unto him,

James 5:
7 Therefore be patient, brethren, until the parousia of the Lord. See how the farmer waits for the precious fruit of the earth, waiting patiently for it until it receives the early and latter rain. 8 be patient! also stand-fast the hearts of ye! that the parousia of the Lord is drawn near/hggiken <1448> (5758);

2 Peter 3:12 looking for and hastening the parousia of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be dissolved, being on fire, and the elements will melt with fervent heat?

1Jo 2:28
And now, little children, abide in Him, that when[fn] He appears, we may have confidence and not be ashamed before Him at His parousia.
 
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Gary DeMar: Last Days Madness: Obsession of the Modern Church (1997)

Gary DeMar (1999)

“If Peter had meant that the physical earth would be literally destroyed in the near future, he was simply wrong. Some people would take another view of this verse and say that the “at hand” does not mean “in the near future.” If that is the case, there is little meaning in Peter’s words at all. Peter deliberately put a time indicator in his prophecy. Peter meant that all old things, all the things of the old covenant, would pass away in the destruction of Jerusalem.” (The Reduction of Christianity, p. 160)
 
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So you believe the Epistles of Peter are pseudographic?
In that case, that would make all the Epistles in the NT pseudographic", including Paul's Epistles.
All written before 70AD...........

Modern analytical bible scholars have intensively studied the text of those epistles that are generally attributed to Paul. By closely examining vocabulary, grammar and thought themes they are in agreement that the following epistles are genuinely from Paul. They are 1 Thessalonians, 1 and 2 Corinthians, Galatians, Philippians, Philemon and Romans. Two more letters, Colossians and 2 Thessalonians are in dispute. Hebrews does not reflect Paul’s style and content whatsoever. Ephesians does not reflect the style of Paul but is very much Pauline in content and is thought to have been written by a close follower of Paul’s. The Pastoral letters (Titus, 1 Timothy and 2 Timothy) are attributed to Paul, but someone writing in Paul’s name wrote them around AD120, some 60 years after Paul’s death. Each letter uses vocabulary Paul is not known to have used; each has a different concept than Paul had of key matters such as faith; and each refers to Paul’s close friends Timothy and Titus in formal rather than friendly terms. They assume that Christian churches are governed by the kind of carefully organized authority structures that developed decades after Paul’s time. They are similar in style and in content and in the issues they raise. Scholars generally believe them to have been written by the same person. In addition two of Paul’s epistles are thought to be composed of what were originally several smaller letters. In particular Philippians is composed of three and 2 Corinthians is composed of six. Chapter 16 of Romans seems to be a later addition but genuinely by Paul.
 
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C. Jonathan Seraiah

“It is true that the “eschatology” of the New Testament is predominantly preterist. For those unfamiliar with the preterist perspective, it is the ancient view that many of the eschatological passages of the New Testament were fulfilled (completely) in the destruction of Jerusalem in a.d. 70.

This view may sound novel, but in reality there have been orthodox adherents to it throughout church history (e.g., Clement of Alexandria, Eusebius, John Lightfoot, John Owen, Milton Terry, Jay Adams). This interpretation does not deny the Final Coming of Christ; it merely finds that not all “coming” passages refer to that event. The preterist interpretation is actually the most faithful to the biblical text because it recognizes that Old Testament prophetic terminology was used by the New Testament authors. This recognition is helpful in distinguishing the prophecies of Christ’s coming that were near, in the first century (Matt. 10:23; 16:28; 24:30; 26:64; 1 Thess. 5:2; 2 Thess. 1:7; James 5:7-9; 1 Pet. 4:7; Rev. 1:3, 7; etc.) and thus fulfilled in a.d. 70, from those that were far (John 5:28-29; Acts 1:11; 17:31; 1 Cor. 15:23-24; 1 Thess. 4:16; 1 Jn. 3:2; etc.) and thus not yet fulfilled even in our day. It also helps to distinguish between a spiritual “coming” (invisible for temporal judgment, as in a.d. 70) and a physical coming (visible for eternal judgment).” (End of All Things)
 
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Conclusion...........................

The fact that Christ is “revealed from heaven in blazing fire with His powerful angels” during the appearance of His coming also seems to literally describe the final miraculous appearance of Christ at the death of the lawless one.

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A Preterist Commentary on 2 Thessalonians 1:6-10: Conclusion
As indicated in the above preterist commentary on 2 Thessalonians 1:6-10, Jesus was, in fact, “revealed from heaven in blazing fire with his powerful angels” when in fulfillment of 2 Thessalonians 1:7 and Revelation 19:11-14 a fiery army was seen in the clouds immediately before the burning of Israel during the Jewish War.

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A Preterist Commentary on 2 Thessalonians 1:6-10

  1. Eusebius The History of the Church 3.5.
  2. The second wave of persecution broke out in Rome in A.D. 64. At this time Christians were draped in animal skins and ripped apart by dogs or crucified in a major public spectacle. And at night, they were burned as human torches to light the streets of Rome. (Tacitus Annals 15.44.4, cited in Robert E. Van Voorst, Jesus Outside the New Testament: An Introduction to the Ancient Evidence, (Grand Rapids: Eerdmanns, 2000), 42.) According to church tradition, it was during this massacre that Peter was crucified and Paul, beheaded. This, however, is not the persecution the church is said to be facing in vs. 6-7 since 2 Thessalonians was written in A.D. 51 or 52 and the Roman persecution began in A.D. 64.
  3. Josephus The Wars of the Jews 6.5.3.
  4. Sepher Yosippon A Mediaeval History of Ancient Israel translated from the Hebrew by Steven B. Bowman. Excerpts from Chapter 87 “Burning of the Temple” cited in Historical records with some signs (AD 66-70) (9/16/2014) Notice that Yosippon states that the horses seen in the sky were horses of fire whereas Revelation 19:14 says that the angels rode white horses during the parousia, is this a contradiction? No. Many people who have had revelatory near-death experiences (NDE’s) state that beings in heaven exude brilliant white light. Thus the horses described by Yosippon would have also likely shown in a brilliant white light like that of other beings in heaven. This brilliant white radiance would likely be described as fire to a first century observer.
  5. Ibid.
  6. See 2 Peter 3:5-13: A Preterist Commentary.
  7. Josephus The Wars of the Jews 3.4.1; 4.8.3; 4.9.7; 5.6.2; 6.1.1.
 
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Perhaps 2029 or maybe 2070. If the church age is 2,000 years.

Ephesians 3:21
21 Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen.

There is no end to the "church age"
The Church perpetuates throughout all ages.
 
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There is no end to the "church age"
The Church perpetuates throughout all ages.
Swing and a miss, nice try though. The 1,000 year reign of Christ is called the Kingdom Age. The "Church" actually means assembly. Peter talks about how we are living stones: "As you come to Him, the living stone, rejected by men but chosen and precious in God’s sight, you also, like living stones, are being built into a spiritual house to be a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ." (1Peter2:4,5)

Some people do not realize that the Church is not the building. The Church are the believers in the Building. This is refereed to as the Church Age, a time when Jesus said: "I will build My church". Then at the end of the Age, at the end of the Final Harvest the church will be finished. This is when the Kingdom age will begin and the Manifest Sons (&Daughters) of God will rule and reign with Christ for 1,000 years. Then there will be a new heavens and a new earth. (Rev21:4,5)

A New Heaven and a New Earth
He will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and there will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the former things have passed away.” And the One seated on the throne said,“Behold, I make all things new.” Then He said,“Write this down, for these words are faithful and true.”
 
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