Jesus Cleanses the Temple of His Body Like an Aggressive Moose

Jeff Wickham · Oct 2, 2019

Jesus cleansed the temple but then revealed that the true temple is His body. The time He drove out the money changers was an illustration of the greater work He desires to do within His members. He approaches this work in an aggressive and refreshing manner, like a moose chasing away threats. This video shares three points that unpack the deeper meaning of this living parable.

What are some ways you have experienced Christ's cleansing work in your life?

yeshuaslavejeff · Oct 2, 2019

How did Jesus Say the apostles and disciples with Him on earth were cleansed ?

Aldebaran · Oct 2, 2019

yeshuaslavejeff said:
How did Jesus Say the apostles and disciples with Him on earth were cleansed ?

1 John 1:7
But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all sin.

Yeshua HaDerekh · Oct 2, 2019

Jeff Wickham said:
Jesus cleansed the temple but then revealed that the true temple is His body. The time He drove out the money changers was an illustration of the greater work He desires to do within His members. He approaches this work in an aggressive and refreshing manner, like a moose chasing away threats. This video shares three points that unpack the deeper meaning of this living parable.

What are some ways you have experienced Christ's cleansing work in your life?

Yeshua drove out the money changers because they were stealing. Jews from different parts of the world had to change their money into Temple approved money and the dealers would cheat them...

Danoh · Oct 2, 2019

Yeshua HaDerekh said:
Yeshua drove out the money changers because they were stealing. Jews from different parts of the work had to change their money into Temple approved money and the dealers would cheat them...

Many Christians have a bad habit of allowing themselves to get so caught up in looking for some sort of a life application lesson in all things Scripture that they completely fail to look into what many accounts in Scripture actually are - literal accounts of things that took place back then that do not necessarily mean right off some mystic life application lesson to be extracted/applied in one's life.

Scripture is very often very clear in its life application aspects, where such are the case - no need to mystify those parts that are not about such aspects, to begin with.

As 2 Timothy 2:15-18 makes obvious - in Scripture, things that differ are not...the same.

Jeff Wickham · Oct 2, 2019

yeshuaslavejeff said:
How did Jesus Say the apostles and disciples with Him on earth were cleansed ?

Danoh said:
Many Christians have a bad habit of allowing themselves to get so caught up in looking for some sort of a life application lesson in all things Scripture that they completely fail to look into what many accounts in Scripture actually are - literal accounts of things that took place back then that do not necessarily mean right off some mystic life application lesson to be extracted/applied in one's life.

In this story Jesus referred to His body as the temple (John 2:19-21). The Father dwells in Him (Colossians 2:9; John 14:10). One's house is the place where he dwells, so Jesus is His Father's house. But believers are also part of that house (1 Peter 2:5; 1 Corinthians 3:16). And Jesus cleanses all who are members of His body (John 13:8; 1 Corinthians 6:9-11). The video goes into more detail, but this is the essence of the idea.

I agree that it is possible to spiritualize a text and thus miss out on the plain meaning. But the Book of John is much deeper than the other gospels. He wrote it for two purposes, namely, that we might know that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing, we might have life in His name (John 20:31). He holds very closely to these two themes, alternating between witnesses who testify about Jesus, and teachings that reveal the mystery of God, "which is Christ in you, the hope of glory" (Colossians 1:27).

Phil W · Oct 2, 2019

Jeff Wickham said:
Jesus cleansed the temple but then revealed that the true temple is His body. The time He drove out the money changers was an illustration of the greater work He desires to do within His members. He approaches this work in an aggressive and refreshing manner, like a moose chasing away threats. This video shares three points that unpack the deeper meaning of this living parable.

What are some ways you have experienced Christ's cleansing work in your life?

I have repented of sin...permanently.
I have submitted to the washing of the blood of Christ at my water baptism into Him and His death and burial, and was raised with Him to walk in newness of life.
New man...clean temple.

Jeff Wickham · Oct 3, 2019

Phil W said:
I have repented of sin...permanently.
I have submitted to the washing of the blood of Christ at my water baptism into Him and His death and burial, and was raised with Him to walk in newness of life.
New man...clean temple.

In your view, was that washing a one-time thing or an ongoing experience?

Phil W · Oct 3, 2019

Jeff Wickham said:
In your view, was that washing a one-time thing or an ongoing experience?

One time event.
If I am clean, and continue walking in the light, why would I require additional cleansing?

Jeff Wickham · Oct 3, 2019

Phil W said:
One time event.
If I am clean, and continue walking in the light, why would I require additional cleansing?

Someone may perfectly live up to the light they know and still have areas where they incompletely understand God's will. As God reveals His will, they surrender those new areas to Him as well, depending on Him for strength. In this sense Christ is continuing to cleanse them. I believe this was what Jesus tried to convey to the disciples when He washed their feet. That was not just an example of service, because Jesus told Peter that he could have no part with Him if He did not was his feet. Peter then asked Jesus to also wash his head and hands as well, but Jesus replied, "He who has bathed needs only to wash his feet, but is completely clean" (John 13:10). In like manner, one can be "completely clean" in conscience, yet still need to be washed.

Phil W · Oct 3, 2019

Jeff Wickham said:
Someone may perfectly live up to the light they know and still have areas where they incompletely understand God's will. As God reveals His will, they surrender those new areas to Him as well, depending on Him for strength. In this sense Christ is continuing to cleanse them. I believe this was what Jesus tried to convey to the disciples when He washed their feet. That was not just an example of service, because Jesus told Peter that he could have no part with Him if He did not wash his feet. Peter then asked Jesus to also wash his head and hands as well, but Jesus replied, "He who has bathed needs only to wash his feet, but is completely clean" (John 13:10).

You quote Jesus saying "completely clean", then say they are not clean.

In like manner, one can be "completely clean" in conscience, yet still need to be washed.

Washed from what?
If the conscience is clean, there was no sin.
I hope we are all praying to grow in grace and knowledge, but we have all been given a conscience to determine what doesn't please God.
There is no accidental sin.

Jeff Wickham · Oct 4, 2019

Phil W said:
You quote Jesus saying "completely clean", then say they are not clean.

Yes, those are the words of Jesus. John 13:8-10. I believe He stated it this way because there are two types of sin - deliberate, and ignorant. When we sorrow for our sins and turn away from them (which is repentance), He releases us from the guilt of our past sins. But then He continues working in us to reveal to us those areas where we need to grow.

Phil W said:
Washed from what?
If the conscience is clean, there was no sin.
I hope we are all praying to grow in grace and knowledge, but we have all been given a conscience to determine what doesn't please God.
There is no accidental sin.

As for the necessity of continued growth in the Christian life, I think we are on the same page. When it comes to accidental sin, there are certainly things we do in ignorance that are not according to God's will. The Bible includes this under the umbrella of sin (see for example Acts 3:17-19). God handles these sins differently, though (Acts 17:30). I think these are what John referred to as "sin not leading to death" (1 John 5:16-17).

Phil W · Oct 4, 2019

Jeff Wickham said:
Yes, those are the words of Jesus. John 13:8-10. I believe He stated it this way because there are two types of sin - deliberate, and ignorant. When we sorrow for our sins and turn away from them (which is repentance), He releases us from the guilt of our past sins. But then He continues working in us to reveal to us those areas where we need to grow.

As for the necessity of continued growth in the Christian life, I think we are on the same page. When it comes to accidental sin, there are certainly things we do in ignorance that are not according to God's will. The Bible includes this under the umbrella of sin (see for example Acts 3:17-19). God handles these sins differently, though (Acts 17:30). I think these are what John referred to as "sin not leading to death" (1 John 5:16-17).

Why are you so intent on saddling folks with more sin?
Ignorant? Accidental?
Both concepts are refuted in James 1:14-15..."But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death."
How do you squeeze ignorance or accidental into those qualifiers of sin?
Without temptation there is no sin.
Without enticement or lust there is no sin.

Walk in the light/God and there will be no more sin in your life!

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