How Harvard’s Dishonesty About Its Racial Discrimination Will Fuel Populism

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How Harvard’s Dishonesty About Its Racial Discrimination Will Fuel Populism: The lesson this elite university and others really teach is that working hard and playing by the rules are for the little people, not the future Masters of the Universe.

The first layer of dishonesty is inherent in Harvard’s choice to use race as a factor in deciding which students to admit.
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The second layer of dishonesty ... Nothing could be easier than to dress up a point system – or a racial quota, for that matter – as an ‘individualized assessment.’”
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The third layer of dishonesty ... Harvard and other elite institutions have created a landscape in which tutors and college counselors encourage Asian-American kids to avoid sounding “too Asian” in their applications, to omit activities like playing the violin. Such institutions claim to be acting with the grand and benevolent intent of advancing social justice. Harvard stands accused of pursuing that intent by relying on the most obvious racial stereotyping of Asian-American kids as dull, nerdy grinds.
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The fourth layer of dishonesty arises from the fact that Asian-Americans are the demographic apparently suffering from this supposedly benign discrimination.
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Yet Harvard seems to hold Asian-Americans’ hard work against them. It is this facet of Harvard’s policy that has led many to recall Harvard’s history of discrimination against Jews, which lasted until the 1960s.
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What effect will these accumulated levels of dishonesty have on our political discourse? ... the lawsuit against Harvard, however it ends, has exposed to the general public the layers of dishonesty in which Harvard and other elite institutions engage in the cause of social justice
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Another opinion piece from The Federalist.

So do you agree or disagree with their opinions on this subject and why do you do either? Are Asian Americans being unfairly discriminated against by Harvard or are they not?
 
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It'll be interesting to see how the case turns out.

I know people have been trying to twist the meaning of 'elite' and populism or meritocracy, but this sheds some more light on Harvard and where it puts its thumb on the scale. The article describes some earlier squabbling about the same issue decades ago, and leads into the situation today.

"But the data collected by the Education Department contained some explosive information. It showed the athletes and so-called legacies who were actually accepted had lower SAT scores than the rest of the class and were also deemed less attractive candidates by the admissions officers conducting Harvard’s process."



"In 2006, a book by Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Golden unearthed more about how Harvard uses the admissions process to court its alumni and big donors.

“I found numerous examples in which a child’s acceptance closely preceded or followed a major gift from the parents, giving at least the appearance of a quid pro quo,” Golden wrote in “The Price of Admission.” “Most notably, a politically connected New Jersey real estate mogul with no Harvard ties pledged $2.5 million to the university only months before his elder son—a student below Harvard’s usual standards—was admitted.” "

And that student was...
 
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... the lawsuit against Harvard, however it ends,

With a win for Harvard.

A federal judge ruled Tuesday that Harvard University does not discriminate against Asian Americans in undergraduate admissions, handing the school a victory in a lawsuit that marks one of the latest chapters in the affirmative action debate.

U.S. District Judge Allison D. Burroughs rejected a plaintiff’s claims that Harvard violates the law as it considers race in selecting an incoming freshman class. While Harvard’s “admissions process may be imperfect,” Burroughs wrote, the judge concluded that statistical disparities among racial groups of applicants “are not the result of any racial animus or conscious prejudice.”
 
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With a win for Harvard.

A federal judge ruled Tuesday that Harvard University does not discriminate against Asian Americans in undergraduate admissions, handing the school a victory in a lawsuit that marks one of the latest chapters in the affirmative action debate.

U.S. District Judge Allison D. Burroughs rejected a plaintiff’s claims that Harvard violates the law as it considers race in selecting an incoming freshman class. While Harvard’s “admissions process may be imperfect,” Burroughs wrote, the judge concluded that statistical disparities among racial groups of applicants “are not the result of any racial animus or conscious prejudice.”

Oh dear, another real soon now case file being moved to the we all knew it was a right wing fantasy that was never going anywhere industrial sized archive. Hmm. Might have to delete some of the Nunes entries to make room.
 
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Legacy and Athlete Preferences at Harvard

The lawsuit Students For Fair Admissions v. Harvard University provided an unprecedented look at how an elite school makes admissions decisions. Using publicly released reports, we examine the preferences Harvard gives for recruited athletes, legacies, those on the dean’s interest list, and children of faculty and staff (ALDCs). Among white admits, over 43% are ALDC. Among admits who are African American, Asian American, and Hispanic, the share is less than 16% each. Our model of admissions shows that roughly three quarters of white ALDC admits would have been rejected if they had been treated as white non-ALDCs. Removing preferences for athletes and legacies would significantly alter the racial distribution of admitted students, with the share of white admits falling and all other groups rising or remaining unchanged.
 
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With a win for Harvard.

... the judge concluded that statistical disparities among racial groups of applicants “are not the result of any racial animus or conscious prejudice.”
In other words everyone openly admits that Harvard discriminates based on race ... but it's not because they HATE. So ... it's out of LOVE?
 
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Harvard is nothing but an educational institution for the privileged elite. Your ordinary rank-and-file populist already knows this, so these present events are unlikely to "fuel populism" to any greater extent than the mere existence of Harvard already has.
 
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In other words everyone openly admits that Harvard discriminates based on race ... but it's not because they HATE. So ... it's out of LOVE?

They have to make up for all the other advantages they hand out to white kids. (see my previous post)
 
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In other words everyone openly admits that Harvard discriminates based on race

Nope. C'mon, conservative talking points guy. Try to stay consistent here. There are "statistical disparities among racial groups" in terms of home ownership, loan approval rates, poverty, voter booth waiting time...

Is this due to racial discrimination?
 
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Nope. C'mon, conservative talking points guy. Try to stay consistent here. There are "statistical disparities among racial groups" in terms of home ownership, loan approval rates, poverty, voter booth waiting time...

Is this due to racial discrimination?
Which has what to do with Harvard discriminating based on racial quotas?
 
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Which has what to do with Harvard discriminating based on racial quotas?

Who says Harvard discriminated based on racial quotas? Other than you and the plaintiffs (I presume), who were wrong?
 
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... the lawsuit against Harvard, however it ends, has exposed to the general public the layers of dishonesty in which Harvard and other elite institutions engage in the cause of social justice.
What about religious quotas?

Jews are overrepresented at Harvard by 31.5x, Agnostics & Atheists by 2.5x, Christians by 1.1x. Muslims are underrepresented by 8.6x, Hindus by 5.2x. (compare Harvard numbers vs religious distribution)
 
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Who says Harvard discriminated based on racial quotas? Other than you and the plaintiffs (I presume), who were wrong?
The data shows it. Don't worry though. There'll be plenty of time to make supporting arguments as the case continues on appeal ...

RACIAL DISCRIMINATION FOREVER, HARVARD EDITION

Harvard’s admissions officers aren’t biased against Asian-Americans. Rather, they are biased in favor of African-Americans.
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This decision will almost certainly be appealed to the First Circuit Court of Appeals.
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The case may well be headed to the Supreme Court.
 
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The data shows it.

No, the data shows "statistical disparities among racial groups".

But the court found there was no illegal discrimination.

You're not arguing for equal outcomes, are you? I think you may need to stop following AOC. Her communism is rubbing off on you.
 
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But won't someone think of the real victims in all this? Legacy admissions who receive hurtful side-eye.

"I'm a legacy student, and I'm not ashamed.

By accepting these students, Penn reinforces a narrative of prestige all within the context of a Penn education. In short, go to Penn and you too will gain wealth and prestige.

If you’re a non-legacy student reading this column, you might be angry. 'Of course this girl can talk about legacies being relevant; she may not even be a student at Penn without her legacy status.' This is the crux..."

Yes, it certainly is.
 
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