Before I formed you in the womb I knew you

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Where did you find that in my statements about Jeremiah? Please point it out and then respond to what I actually said.
The scriptures has been revealed to us in different ways....therefore we have different views of it. I do not argue interpretations of words....this is better left for masters of the law and those more educated in religious doctrines and languages.

I find no fault in anything you have said or believe.....continue to do so unless you feel led to do otherwise...
 
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I'm asking, not making a statement.
I was replying to this:
John P. Alexander said: "No more ludicrous than God creating people he knows will reject him before they're ever created, thus landing them in hell."
RaymondG:"Yes, I too, find that idea equally as ludicrous."

I said:So God either:
A. Doesn't create people who will reject him? Or
B. He doesn't send anyone to hell?

I believe God does of course create people whom he knows will reject him, before they are created, not because he created them unable to choose him, but because he is all knowing. I'm trying to figure out what John and Raymond mean by their statements.
Equally fitting all the words, all the verses, is the view God creates a variety of spirits knowing that some will reject Him. (notice that small difference: He hasn't set in stone which ones will reject Him necessarily. If one thinks free will better fits scripture in general, as it makes all the commandments make more sense (instead of being just decorations)...then many other possible ways it could work fit the verses. Example: He could determine early on, from seeing the direction an individual chooses to take, where their path leads to, for example. That's not creating them doomed to fail.)
 
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You already know the answer to this.....My input would not be useful......just look at the crazy stuff that was just written above....
Yeah, I see you did write some crazy stuff....and I still have no idea what you mean, lol.
 
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Equally fitting all the words, all the verses, is the view God creates a variety of spirits knowing that some will reject Him. (notice that small difference: He hasn't set in stone which ones will reject Him necessarily. If one thinks free will better fits scripture in general, as it makes all the commandments make more sense (instead of being just decorations)...then many other possible ways it could work fit the verses. Example: He could determine early on, from seeing the direction an individual chooses to take, where their path leads to, for example. That's not creating them doomed to fail.)
Why would they be created doomed to fail? They fail by their own neglect to follow God. If one feels free will better fits scripture, then of course, we make real choices that determine our destiny. God knowing what those choices will be doesn't make them any less real.
 
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“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I set you apart and appointed you a prophet to the nations.” (Jeremiah 1:5)

Anyone want to give a shot at what they think this means? In what way did God know Jeremiah before He was born? If he was "appointed" does he have a choice in if he is going to accept that appointment? Could the devil have stopped him from accomplishing the purpose that God had for him and his life?

"Your eyes saw my unformed body; all my days were written in Your book and ordained for me before one of them came to be. How precious to me are Your thoughts, O God, how vast is their sum! If I were to count them, they would outnumber the grains of sand" (Psalm 139:16,17,18)
It means that Jeremiah existed before he was born in the Earth and that his soul was in such a condition that he deserved to be a prophet due to what he was before he was born in the world.

God created us by an arrangement of his logos and so we had a birth but it was not a birth in the universe, rather it was a birth in God. minds are one of the most fundamental realities. God created us very close to himself which is why it is said that we are made in His image. We are so near to God, who is love and wisdom itself, that we too can love and have wisdom. Man is a microcosm before he was a creature.

And just like for uncountable eons we have done, we are in a Divine mystery and playing with God. We are worshipping him by our existence and becoming.
 
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It means that Jeremiah existed before he was born in the Earth and that his soul was in such a condition that he deserved to be a prophet due to what he was before he was born in the world.

God created us by an arrangement of his logos and so we had a birth but it was not a birth in the universe, rather it was a birth in God. minds are one of the most fundamental realities. God created us very close to himself which is why it is said that we are made in His image. We are so near to God, who is love and wisdom itself, that we too can love and have wisdom. Man is a microcosm before he was a creature.

And just like for uncountable eons we have done, we are in a Divine mystery and playing with God. We are worshipping him by our existence and becoming.
Does this apply to all Adam or just Jeremiah?
 
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Does this apply to all Adam or just Jeremiah?
Individual Destinies are based on what the person is and what Gods Providence will arrange. Mankind in general is Adam. it could be possible for some of the spirit of Jeremiah to influence us. There may have been more than one Jeremiah, spiritually speaking... just as it was said of John the Baptist that he had the spirit of Elijah.
 
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Nothing in scripture supports this.
Don't you mean nothing in your interpretation of the scriptures supports it?

In the beginning God created the heavens... Unfortunately for you, you do not know that only souls are heavens because God lives in Souls.
 
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And look at psalm 82. "You shall fall as one man", that man being Adam. and the visible creation shows the invisible creation which is before that which is visible. Look up to the sky and see how many stars there are, they are symbols for God's children. his spirits, his souls. That is why we are sometimes called the stars of Heaven.

Yes, when God first created us we had such dignity to be called "little gods (el)" and it is fitting seeing that we are his children. And what is special about the soul of Jesus? He was the very first one to be created and he never fell. I'm talking about his soul as he was fully human. And everyone knows that he pre-existed. But usually people don't believe that his Humanity pre-existed. And he said we were with him since the beginning, to his disciples. He is the truth and we are his brethren.
 
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Nothing in scripture supports this.
Apparently noxot doesn't need Scripture for his errers(sic).....
and is not open to correction ..?

Scripture is clearly contrary to what the posting said.
 
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Holiness & Sanctification. Today we have the gift of prophecy, we do not have actual prophets like we did under the old covenant.
I've never been sure what "the gift of prophecy" means. I've always take "prophet" to mean someone through whom God spoke, not some talent or ability that someone has. God either speaks through you or He doesn't. The modern usage of "prophet" is more often used to refer to a seer or soothsayer than someone called to speak for God, and I think that's where the idea of the "gift of prophecy" comes from. the erroneous notion that some people have a "gift" that allows them to foretell the future.
 
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So God, who already knew Hitler, (?)

No, alt Adolf took God completely by surprise. I mean, if God had only known what a bad actor der Fuhrer was gonna be He'd have put a stop to it.

The answer is quite simple, not only did God divide Adam's body, but God must also have divided Adam's spirit, and gave part to Eve.
Yeah, I reckon God was pretty much exhausted from creating Adam's spirit, and wasn't going to go through all that again just to create another spirit for Eve.


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Apparently noxot doesn't need Scripture for his errers(sic).....
and is not open to correction ..?

Scripture is clearly contrary to what the posting said.
you sure are not my God and the one that can tell me the meaning of the truth of the Bible. if you think you seek God more than me then I'll have you know tomorrow I'm going to become homeless because I don't care about the world at all and all I want to do is get to know God. so if you really think that you seek God so much more than me then make yourself homeless and only depend on God like I'm going to do. Because I either will die or I want to hear his voice.
 
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Howzat work? A prophet is one who delivers a message that God has given them to deliver. They're God's spokemen, who have the right to declare "Thus saith the Lord God". How do you train for that? Grammar and elocution?
The training of a prophet that I was speaking of was in the area of hearing from God correctly. When you hear God, it's just a matter of speaking what you hear.
 
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I've never been sure what "the gift of prophecy" means.
There are 12 gifts according to wiki, prophecy is one of them. Prophecy is one of the more desirable gifts along with the gift of healing. Charisma: a gift of grace, a free gift. This is the work of the Holy Spirit of God in us. Prophecy is given to encourage people. Often prophecy under the old covenant was given as a warning to people of the consequences if they do not repent. That is not how God works with His church. The gifts are given to build up, encourage and edify.

I am a little rusty, the charismatic teaching is not as popular as it was. People tend to be more Pentecostal now a days. Everything has gone in a full circle. The charismatics added Pentecostalism to main line denominations and even to the catholic church.
 
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look at psalm 82. "You shall fall as one man", that man being Adam.
Ps82 is directed at the wicked rulers of Israel, not Adam! Go read it.
and the visible creation shows the invisible creation which is before that which is visible. Look up to the sky and see how many stars there are, they are symbols for God's children. his spirits, his souls. That is why we are sometimes called the stars of Heaven.
This proves absolutely nothing in support of your claim.
Yes, when God first created us we had such dignity to be called "little gods (el)" and it is fitting seeing that we are his children. And what is special about the soul of Jesus? He was the very first one to be created and he never fell.
Ah, I see where you are coming from.
Sorry to prick your balloon, but Jesus was born of God, not created like Adam was. Jesus is the "firstborn" over creation, which refers to his status and rulership over mankind, not that he himself was a created being.
I'm talking about his soul as he was fully human. And everyone knows that he pre-existed. But usually people don't believe that his Humanity pre-existed. And he said we were with him since the beginning, to his disciples. He is the truth and we are his brethren.
His disciples were with Jesus from the beginning of his earthly ministry, that's all. Neither you, nor I were with him.
 
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This makes no linguistic sense.
The laws of physics says that two objects can not occupy the same space at the same time. Yet this does not apply to electromagnetic waves. In the same way this does not apply to God because He is Spiritual. God can be in our heart, soul or spirit because we can occupy the same space that God is able to occupy. Although this does require holiness, sanctification & consecration. Because there is no corruption in God and He can not occupy a space that is defiled. This is why they say: "fools rush in where angels fear to tread".
 
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you sure are not my God and the one that can tell me the meaning of the truth of the Bible. if you think you seek God more than me then I'll have you know tomorrow I'm going to become homeless because I don't care about the world at all and all I want to do is get to know God. so if you really think that you seek God so much more than me then make yourself homeless and only depend on God like I'm going to do. Because I either will die or I want to hear his voice.

"you sure are not my God and the one that can tell me the meaning of the truth of the Bible."
Given the tone of your replies, we could equally aim this disdainful comment at you, but it really isn't wise, getting snotty against those who express a different.

I also suspect using homelessness to prove you are closer to God is not going to work out like you think!

Hearing, or not hearing the voice of God, has more to do with the condition of the heart than being either homeless or well housed.
 
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