Who gets cast into the everlasting lake of fire?

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And you're sure those people will be judged to the lake of fire? You sound like you are.

First, I am so confident the Bible teaches this that I would be willing to die for such a belief. If a man put a gun to my head, and said I belief this whole heartedly, I would be willing to die for this belief ten times over because the Bible is so clear on it that it practically hits you over the head on it over, and over and over again. There are other issues or topics in the Bible I am not as confident on because they are not as clear (like the amount of time the wicked spends in hell, the timing on the judgment of believers, etc.). But there are tons of evidences showing that believers who justify sin, and or who live sinful (instead of holy) will not make it. Granted, I am not talking about rare exceptions of a believer who goes prodigal and he accepts the error of his ways on his death bed or towards the end of his life, but I do not see this as a common thing. For Samson and Solomon are rare examples of God's grace. That does not mean that they are the way a believer is to live under the New Covenant generally speaking.

Second, there are many warnings to believers about sin and how it can destroy them and or separate them from God. Here is a list I came up with in Scripture.

The Bible’s teaching that serious sin is separation from GOD:

[God said to Adam,]
"But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die." (Genesis 2:17).

[Eve said to the serpent,]
"But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. (Genesis 3:3).

And the serpent said unto the woman,
"Ye shall not surely die." (Genesis 3:4).

"...she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat. And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked..." (Genesis 3:6-7).

"Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned." (Romans 5:12).

"For the wages of sin is death..." (Romans 6:23).

"But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear." (Isaiah 59:2).

“...whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.” (Matthew 5:22).

28 “But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.” (Matthew 5:28-30).

"But whoso committeth adultery with a woman lacketh understanding: he that doeth it destroyeth his own soul." (Proverbs 6:32).

“But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.” (Matthew 6:15).

“Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.” (Matthew 7:21)

Important Note: If you were to look at 1 Thessalonians 4:3 you would learn that the will of God (i.e. the Father) is to be holy or it is our sanctification; And Hebrews 12:14 says, without holiness no man shall see the Lord.

“22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’
23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’” (Matthew 7:22-23 ESV).

“26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.”
(Matthew 7:26-27).

“15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.” (Matthew 7:15-20).

"For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins." (Hebrews 10:26).

"he that commits sin is of the devil." (1 John 3:8).

"everyone who does evil hates the light." (John 3:20).

"Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the thought of thine heart may be forgiven thee." (Acts of the Apostles 8:22).

6 "If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth.
7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin." (1 John 1:6-7).

"He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him." (1 John 2:4).

"Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him." (1 John 3:15).

"He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now." (1 John 2:9).

"In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother." (1 John 3:10).

41 "The Son of Man will send his angels, and they will gather out of his kingdom all causes of sin and all law-breakers,
42 and throw them into the fiery furnace. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
43 Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear." (Matthew 13:41-43 ESV).

“For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.” (Matthew 12:37).

"They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate." (Titus 1:16).

3 "If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
4 He is proud, knowing nothing,..." (1 Timothy 6:3-4).

"...God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble."
(James 4:6).

21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off." (Romans 11:21-22).

16 "There is a sin unto death..."
17 "...and there is a sin not unto death." (1 John 5:16-17).

"But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death." (Revelation 21:8).

19 "Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God." (Galatians 5:19-21).

5 "Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affe
ction, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:
6 For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:
7 In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them." (Colossians 3:5-7).

5 “...God;
6 ...will render to every man according to his deeds:
7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
11 For there is no respect of persons with God.
12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law” (Romans 2:5-12).

“But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.” (Ezekiel 18:24).

9 “Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. “ (1 Corinthians 6:9-10).

“Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.” (James 2:17).

"And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth." (Matthew 25:30).

“For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.” (Romans 8:13).
 
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I do not agree with the red ... it is incomplete and thus incorrect.
IMO ...
Initial salvation is totally a work of God's grace (man cannot choose).
Final salvation is a combined work of God's grace ...
+ man is FREE to choose to NOT be a sinner (he is NOT a robot)
+ man's faithfulness (obedience, repentance, practicing righteousness, etc.).

In "Initial Salvation": Men can freely accept God or reject Him under His drawing or call (Which is a time determined by God and not us). God can open our hearts to hear the truth, but it is ultimately up to us to decide. We are not forced to be a certain way. We are not robots when it comes to "Initial Salvation." If God was the One who is to blame ultimatley on who was saved or not saved, then the Judgment would be a joke or a farce. Unconditional Election is not biblical in the slightest sense. If it was then why on Earth did God argue with Cain about doing good vs. evil? If this was not the case, then why did Jesus say that He desired to gather Jerusalem (like a hen gathers its chicks under its wings), but they (the people of Jerusalem) did not allow Jesus to do so?

Also, we are ultimately saved by God's grace and not works (even though works and or holy living do play a part in the salvation process). How so? Because if a believer stumbles into doing a particular sin, they do not get clean by doing a good work, but they get clean by going to God's grace by seeking forgiveness with the Lord Jesus Christ (See 1 John 2:1, and 1 John 1:9).
 
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Are you going to search this out for yourself?
Blessings to you also.

I already knew it meant that. I did not have to search the Scriptures to know it was talking about Eternal Life. Crown of Life is a naturally a synonym for salvation or eternal life by it's very name (logically speaking).

BTW ~ You don't have to get one up on me. This is not a contest of knowledge or who knows more in the Bible. You are either in support of leading others to the truth in love, or you are not for that. So please stop trying to criticize me when I am on the same side you are on (involving this topic - generally speaking).
 
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I already knew it meant that. I did not have to search the Scriptures to know it was talking about Eternal Life. Crown of Life is a naturally a synonym for salvation or eternal life by it's very name (logically speaking).

BTW ~ You don't have to get one up on me. This is not a contest of knowledge or who knows more in the Bible. You are either in support of leading others to the truth in love, or you are not for that. So please stop trying to criticize me when I am the same side you are on (involving this topic - generally speaking).
Which is to say: you cannot be taught anything! ... I found out that before.
You can correct me in a major way, or in a minor way.
Should be ditto for me correcting you.
I have corrected you before because I don't want you to be teaching any error.
And I certainly will be coming against your cessationist view.
 
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Which is to say: you cannot be taught anything! ... I found out that before.
You can correct me in a major way, or in a minor way.
Should be ditto for me correcting you.

Not sure what you are correcting me on. I have already believe that the crown of life means salvation or eternal life. I did not figure it out one day, either. Soon as I learned of the phrase "crown of life" I knew instantly it was referring to salvation or eternal life. It is a logical deduction.
 
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Not sure what you are correcting me on. I have already believe that the crown of life means salvation or eternal life. I did not figure it out one day, either. Soon as I learned of the phrase "crown of life" I knew instantly it was referring to salvation or eternal life. It is a logical deduction.
For years, people on Christian forums have attacked me for saying this!
So, I wasn't sure about you.
 
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BTW, if you search the Scriptures diligently, you will find that ...
"the crown of life" means ETERNAL LIFE!


When I've read through my Bible I have noted every time a crown is mentioned. I've never noticed the crowns being associated with eternal life. Perhaps i'm wrong. Have you got any scripture that explains how a crown can mean eternal life? Be great if you could.
 
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Matthew 25:33-46 “And He (the Son of Man) will set the sheep on His right hand,
but the goats on the left.
Then the King will say to those on His right hand,
‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you
from the foundation of the world” … Then He will also say to those on the left hand,
Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for
the devil and his angels.
… Assuredly, I say to you,
inasmuch as you did not do it (help) to one of the least of these,
you did not do it to Me.
And these will go away into everlasting punishment,
but the righteous into eternal life.”

The sheep are the righteous believers who inherit the kingdom of God/Christ.
The sheep hear Jesus voice, He knows them, and they follow Him (John 10:27).
The goats do NOT inherit the kingdom … they are habitual sinners (1 Cor. 6:9-10, Gal. 5:19-21, Eph. 5:3-6).
The righteous do good works … while the unrighteous are lacking in doing good works.
The goats are the unrighteous who get cast into the fire.


John 15:2-6Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He (Father God) takes away;
and every branch that bears fruit He prunes, that it may bear
more fruit.
… He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much
fruit; for without Me you can do nothing.
If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered;
and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned
.”

Believers who do NOT (continue to) abide in Jesus do NOT bear fruit and are thrown into the fire!

Matthew 3:10-12 “Therefore every tree which does not bear good fruit
is cut down and thrown
into the fire. … (God will) gather His wheat into the barn;
but He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.”

Those who do NOT bear good fruit are thrown into the fire.
The chaff is separated from the wheat and is thrown into the fire.


Matthew 7:15-20 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly
they are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits. … every good tree bears good fruit,
but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit.
Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
Therefore by their fruits you will know them.”

False prophets do NOT bear good fruit and are thrown into the fire.

Matthew 18:8 “If your hand or foot causes you to sin, cut it off and cast it from you.
It is better for you to enter into life lame or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet,
to be cast into the everlasting fire.”

One of those extreme verses!: If you do NOT overcome sin, you will be cast into the fire.

Matthew 13:49-50 “So it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come forth,
separate the wicked from among the just,
and cast them into the furnace of fire.
There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth.”

The just are the righteous … the wicked are the unrighteous.
The wicked (habitual sinners, etc.) will be cast into the fire.


Matthew 13:37-43 “He who sows the good seed is the Son of Man.
The field is the world, the good seeds are the sons of the kingdom,
but the tares are the sons of the wicked one.
The enemy who sowed them is the devil,
the harvest is the end of the age, and the reapers are the angels.
Therefore as the tares are gathered and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of this age.
The Son of Man will send out His angels,
and they will gather out of His kingdom
all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness, and will cast them into the furnace of fire.
There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth. Then the righteous will shine forth
as the sun in the kingdom of their Father.
He who has ears to hear, let him hear!”
The righteous are the good seeds of the kingdom sown by Jesus.
The unrighteous are “the sons of the wicked one” sown by the devil.


Who exactly are the “sons of the wicked one” in Matthew 13:38 above?
“Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous,
just as He is righteous … In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest: Whoever does NOT practice righteousness is NOT of God,
NOR is he who does NOT love his brothers/sisters
.” (1 John 3:7-10)

The “sons of the wicked one” do not practice righteousness.
The “sons of the wicked one” do not love other Christians.

The wicked.

Matt 10:28 destroyed "both body and soul in fiery hell" - which John calls "the lake of fire"
 
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That doctrine doesn't sound correct to me. You're quoting a few scriptures and ignoring the abundance of other scripture, lets look at Romans 2:17-24

In regards to Romans 2:17-24:
Well, Romans 3:1 is the context of "what kind of Law" is being talked about here. It says in Romans 3:1, "What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?"
Paul is not referring to the Eternal Moral Law (after the fall of Adam and Eve, like: Do not murder, do not kill, do not steal - See Romans 2:14) and neither is Paul referring to New Covenant Law, either. For Paul says if any man does not agree with the words of Jesus Christ, and the doctrine according to godliness, he is proud and he knows nothing (1 Timothy 6:3-4).

Romans 2:17-24 is referring to the 613 laws of Law of Moses as a whole (i.e. the Old Law or the Old Contract). For the Jew relied upon this Law and they sought to be circumcised according to the Old Law (or the Torah). Jesus and His followers gave no such command to be circumcised and or to obey the whole of the Old Covenant Law after the cross. In fact, Paul fought against those who thought they had to be circumcised in order to be saved. For Paul said in Galatians 5:2 that if you seek to be circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing. Then Paul says in Galatians 5:4 that if you seek to be justified by the Law, you have fallen from grace. This is clearly referring to the Old Law because the context is circumcision. The Jews wanted to make Christians believe they had to be circumcised to be saved (i.e. Circumcision Salvationism). This heresy of "Circumcision Salvationism" is clearly described to us in more detail at the Jerusalem council (Please hover your cursor over the following verses: Acts of the Apostles 15:1, Acts of the Apostles 15:5, and Acts of the Apostles 15:24).

You said:
This scripture teaches us that we are all habitual sinners!

No, Romans 2:17-24 does not teach we are habitual sinners. Please re-read the whole chapter in context. In fact, Romans 2:5-12 says this:

5 "...God;
6 ...will render to every man according to his deeds:
7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
11 For there is no respect of persons with God.
12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;" (Romans 2:5-12).

Okay. Not sure you caught it, but verses 5-6 say that God wil render to every man according to His deeds.
Verse 7 says that them who continue in "well doing" seek eternal life. This does not say to them who continue to sin and trust in the finished work of Christ they seek eternal life. Verse 8-9 makes it even more clear. It says that those who obey unrighteousness, wrath will be upon them or those souls who do evil (Which is to the Jew first, and to the Gentile). Verse 11 says there is no respecter of persons with God. But many (not all) Belief Alone proponents think that God gives them respect or favor in the fact that they have a belief alone on Jesus, even if their deeds are evil. Verse 12 says that many that have sinned WITHOUT the Law will perish without the Law. This cannot be any more clearer here. Christians are not under the Law of Moses (i.e. the 613 laws given to Israel by Moses). Yet, if they sin, they will perish. So this means there is some kind of Law that Christians can break (Whereby they can perish).
 
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Attempting to be saved by the law is useless as you will continue to habitually sin.

We cannot be saved without God's grace through faith in Christ and in seeking forgiveness with Him. But God's grace is not a license for immorality (Jude 1:4). God's grace teaches us to deny ungodliness and that we should live righteously and godly in this present world (Titus 2:11-12).

In fact, if what you said above here is true, then why did Jesus teach us something that was futile in Matthew 19:17-19, and in Luke 10:25-28?

Please keep in mind that there is no ending context in these passages showing that it is futile to keep God's laws as a part of eternal life, either. Also, it would be strange for Jesus to teach us these things just so that they could quickly be undone after the cross, too.

Why would Jesus lead people to think that they could "sin no more" as per John 5:14, and John 8:11 when such a thing is not possible?

You said:
Do you take in the homeless, feed the hungry, cloth the naked, and do all the hidden perfection that only Jesus could fulfill and do it perfectly? And then using your logic we all go to the lake of fire. And non are saved.

You can only be condemned for things that the Bible clearly talks about. We are told to help the poor in Matthew 25:31-46, otherwise we will face everlasting punishment. Matthew 25:21 says that the one who is faithful over a little is said to enter into the joy of God's Kingdom. So I take Matthew 25:31-46 as a general command to help the poor (Although visiting those in prison, the widows, etc. is important, and something we should strive to do in this life, too). I say this because there are other places in the New Testament that condemn not helping the poor (like Luke 10:25-37, and Luke 16:19-31); But this is not the case with not helping widows, and seeing those in prison, etc. Oh, and the Bible does not say that you have to be "sinlessly perfect" or you are not saved. Not all sins condemn a person. For example: There is a sin that does not lead to death (1 John 5:17), and Paul was not condemned when he refused to listen to the Holy Spirit's warning on going to Jerusalem. But the Bible does mention many kinds of sins that can condemn a person, though (like theft, murder, hate, adultery, lust, lying, not preaching the gospel, not loving the brethren, etc. - See: Matthew 5:28-30, Matthew 6:15, Matthew 12:37, Luke 9:62, Galatians 5:19-21, 1 Corinthians 6:9-11, 1 John 3:15, Revelation 21:8.).

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So let me ask you this: how do you feel you will escape the lake of fire? Is by Grace? If you answer yes then you are no different than everyone else in my opinion.

I escape the Lake of Fire by abiding in Jesus Christ (See: 1 John 5:12). Jesus saves me both in Justification (What He did for me on the cross via by believing in His death and resurrection and in seeking forgiveness with Him), and in Sanctification (Holy Living by His working within me).
 
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"So this means there is some kind of Law that Christians can break (Whereby they can perish)."

How you do mean this BH? If you don't mind me asking :) As I read Rom 3 ..hes talking to Jews.. and the "reject the truth" is rejecting Christ. What do you mean my perish :)
 
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We cannot be saved without God's grace through faith in Christ and in seeking forgiveness with Him. But God's grace is not a license for immorality (Jude 1:4). God's grace teaches us to deny ungodliness and that we should live righteously and godly in this present world (Titus 2:11-12).

In fact, if what you said above here is true, then why did Jesus teach us something that was futile in Matthew 19:17-19, and in Luke 10:25-28?

Please keep in mind that there is no ending context in these passages showing that it is futile to keep God's laws as a part of eternal life, either. Also, it would be strange for Jesus to teach us these things just so that they could quickly be undone after the cross, too.

Why would Jesus lead people to think that they could "sin no more" as per John 5:14, and John 8:11 when such a thing is not possible?



You can only be condemned for things that the Bible clearly talks about. We are told to help the poor in Matthew 25:31-46, otherwise we will face everlasting punishment. Matthew 25:21 says that the one who is faithful over a little is said to enter into the joy of God's Kingdom. So I take Matthew 25:31-46 as a general command to help the poor (Although visiting those in prison, the widows, etc. is important, and something we should strive to do in this life, too). I say this because there are other places in the New Testament that condemn not helping the poor (like Luke 10:25-37, and Luke 16:19-31); But this is not the case with not helping widows, and seeing those in prison, etc. Oh, and the Bible does not say that you have to be "sinlessly perfect" or you are not saved. Not all sins condemn a person. For example: There is a sin that does not lead to death (1 John 5:17), and Paul was not condemned when he refused to listen to the Holy Spirit's warning on going to Jerusalem. But the Bible does mention many kinds of sins that can condemn a person, though (like theft, murder, hate, adultery, lust, lying, not preaching the gospel, not loving the brethren, etc. - See: Matthew 5:28-30, Matthew 6:15, Matthew 12:37, Luke 9:62, Galatians 5:19-21, 1 Corinthians 6:9-11, 1 John 3:15, Revelation 21:8.).



I escape the Lake of Fire by abiding in Jesus Christ (See: 1 John 5:12). Jesus saves me both in Justification (What He did for me on the cross via by believing in His death and resurrection and in seeking forgiveness with Him), and in Sanctification (Holy Living by His working within me).

You keep responding with lengthy answers which I probably won't read. Just an FYI. As the point I made was clear.
 
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You keep responding with lengthy answers which I probably won't read. Just an FYI. As the point I made was clear.

I don’t consider my posts elaborately long.
I am just giving you a proper reply to what you said with Scripture.
Try replying in bite sized pieces over an extended period of time.
If not, then you have my gratitude for allowing for what I said with Scripture go unchallenged. Those who seek the truth will be convinced by what I said with God’s Word with no hindrance from hearing anything from my opponents.
 
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I escape the Lake of Fire by abiding in Jesus Christ (See: 1 John 5:12). Jesus saves me both in Justification (What He did for me on the cross via by believing in His death and resurrection and in seeking forgiveness with Him), and in Sanctification (Holy Living by His working within me).

Sure I guess I could bit off a chunk and address it. The scripture I pointed out indicates that we are not leading holy lives. And require Grace to save us. Do you feel you've repented and are now justified thru your "holy" living?
 
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Sure I guess I could bit off a chunk and address it. The scripture I pointed out indicates that we are not leading holy lives. And require Grace to save us. Do you feel you've repented and are now justified thru your "holy" living?

But the passage you quote does not say what you think it does. It is talking of hypocrisy and not how we cannot keep God’s laws. The other passage in Romans 2 I quoted to you before disproves your wrong interpretation. Again, see verses 5-12.
 
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First, I am so confident the Bible teaches this that I would be willing to die for such a belief. If a man put a gun to my head, and said I belief this whole heartedly, I would be willing to die for this belief ten times over because the Bible is so clear on it that it practically hits you over the head on it over, and over and over again.

Anything you do as a result of a gun to your head will not change what is so clear. Perhaps you could define for us, our God the consuming fire & the Lake that is rooted in Theos?

  1. As we are required to love our enemies, may we not safely infer that God loves His enemies? (Matt. 5:44)
  2. If God loves His enemies, will He punish them more than will be for their good?
  3. Would endless punishment be for the good of any being?
  4. As God loves His friends, if He loves His enemies also, are not all mankind the objects of His love?
  5. If God loves those only who love Him, what better is He than the sinner? (Luke 6:32-33)
  6. As "love thinketh no evil," can God design the ultimate evil of a single soul? (1 Cor. 13:5)
  7. As "love worketh no ill," can God inflict, or cause, or allow to be inflicted, an endless ill? (Rom. 13:10)
  8. As we are forbidden to be overcome by evil, can we safely suppose that God will be overcome by evil? (Rom. 12:21)
  9. Would not the infliction of endless punishment prove that God HAD been overcome by evil?
  10. If man does wrong in returning evil for evil, would not God do wrong if He was to do the same?
 
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Sure I guess I could bit off a chunk and address it. The scripture I pointed out indicates that we are not leading holy lives. And require Grace to save us. Do you feel you've repented and are now justified thru your "holy" living?

Also read Romans 2:25. It is referring to circumcision. This was a part of the Old Law and not the New Law.
 
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But the passage you quote does not say what you think it does. It is talking of hypocrisy and not how we cannot keep God’s laws. The other passage in Romans 2 I quoted to you before disproves your wrong interpretation. Again, see verses 5-12.

You didn't answer my question. So how are you proving your point again?
 
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